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[rti_india] P&H High court : No sanction needed to remove corrupt babus: [1 Attachment]

 
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High court:

No sanction needed to remove corrupt babus

Saurabh Malik/TNS

Chandigarh, 28 May 2012

 

In a first, the Punjab and Haryana High Court has reinterpreted provisions of the Prevention of Corruption Act to hold that public servants, who can be removed by the subordinate authorities other than the government, are not entitled to protection of sanction......To Read More open attachment.

 


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    pp khattar | 2 Jun 12:19 2012
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    [rti_india] Case for cheating , Breach of Trust u/s 420, 409, 406 IPC is made out against Mr Uday Kotak / Kotak Mahindra [6 Attachments]

     
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     Dear Sir 

     
    A case against Mr.Uday Kotak and Kotak Mahindra is made out and summon is issued U/S 420, 409,406, &120 B IPC Act & next date of hearing is 25.06.2012. Copy of summoning order is attached with mail.

     copy of order of Hon`ble Delhi High Court dated 02.05.2012 in same matter is also attached


    Regards.

    P.P.Khattar

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      Surendera M. Bhanot | 2 Jun 14:43 2012
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      [rti_india] Re: P&H High court : No sanction needed to remove corrupt babus:

       

      On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur <at> gmail.com> wrote:

      How have the country's legal luminaries reacted to the P&H HC judgement? How about its applicability countrywide?
      s p mathur
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      My Comments:

      The High Court has only interpreted the law as it stands.

      The interpretation is applicable pan India till any other High Court give a different interpretation or  it is rebutted by the Supreme Court. The interpretation is clear enough. 

      Dr. Subramanium Swamy is using Section 5(3) of the Prevention of the Corruption Act 1988 whereby he is also the Public Prosecutor. 

      One must have a inconclusive proof of the corruption being there. One can file a direct complaint under the provisions of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, apply to the proceedings before a special Judge; and for the purposes of the said provisions, the Court of the special Judge shall be deemed to be a Court of Session and the person conducting a prosecution before a special Judge shall be deemed to be a public prosecutor.

      The relevant provisions of the CPA is reproduced below:
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      THE PREVENTION OF CORRUPTION ACT, 1988
      Section 5. Procedure and powers of special Judge
      (1) A special Judge may take cognizance of offences without the accused being committed to him for trial and, in trying the accused persons, shall follow the procedure prescribed by the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973. for the trial of warrant cases by Magistrates.

      (2) A special Judge may, with a view to obtaining the evidence of any person supposed to have been directly or indirectly concerned in or privy to, an offence, tender a pardon to such person on condition of his making a full and true disclosure of the whole circumstances within his knowledge. relating to the offence and to every other person concerned, whether as principal or abettor, in the commission thereof and any pardon so tendered shall, for the purposes of sub-sections (1) to (5) of section 308 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, be deemed to have been tendered under section 307 of that Code.

      (3) Save as provided in sub-sections (1) or sub-section (2), the provisions of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, shall, so far as they are not inconsistent with this Act, apply to the proceedings before a special Judge; and for the purposes of the said provisions, the Court of the special Judge shall be deemed to be a Court of Session and the person conducting a prosecution before a special Judge shall be deemed to be a public prosecutor.

      (4) In particular and without prejudice to the generality of the provisions contained in subsection (3), the provisions of sections 326 and 475 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, shall, so for as may be, apply to the proceedings before a special Judge and for the purposes of the said provisions, a special Judge shall be deemed to be a Magistrate.

      (5) A special Judge may pass upon any person convicted by him any sentence authorised by law for the punishment of the offence of which such person is convicted.

      (6) A special Judge, while trying an offence punishable under this Act, shall exercise all the powers and functions exercisable by a District Judge under the Criminal Law Amendment Ordinance, 1944.
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      On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
      How have the country's legal luminaries reacted to the P&H HC judgement? How about its applicability countrywide?
      spmathur


       
      On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Surendera M. Bhanot <bhanot1952-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

      High court:

      No sanction needed to remove corrupt babus

      Saurabh Malik/TNS

      Chandigarh, 28 May 2012

       

      In a first, the Punjab and Haryana High Court has reinterpreted provisions of the Prevention of Corruption Act to hold that public servants, who can be removed by the subordinate authorities other than the government, are not entitled to protection of sanction......To Read More open attachment.

       


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      - Coordinator, RTIFED, Punjab Chandigarh   
      - President, RTI Help & Assistance Forum Chandigarh 
      - Life Member, Chandigarh Consumers Association
      - Youth for Human Rights International - YHRI - South Asia
      - Jt. Secretary, Amateur Judo Association of Chandigarh
      - Member, SPACE - Society for Promotion and Conservation of Environment, Chandigarh
      No. 3758, Sector 22-D, Chandigarh-160022
      Mob: 919-888-810-811
      PHONE: 91-172-5000970
      FAX: 91-172-5000970
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      - Coordinator, RTIFED, Punjab Chandigarh   
      - President, RTI Help & Assistance Forum Chandigarh 
      - Life Member, Chandigarh Consumers Association
      - Youth for Human Rights International - YHRI - South Asia
      - Jt. Secretary, Amateur Judo Association of Chandigarh
      - Member, SPACE - Society for Promotion and Conservation of Environment, Chandigarh
      No. 3758, Sector 22-D, Chandigarh-160022
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        Surendera M. Bhanot | 2 Jun 15:12 2012
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        [rti_india] Re: Gujarat High Court has its own RTI Rules. [1 Attachment]

         
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        Section 22 of the The Right to Information Act 2005  says that the provisions of this Act shall have effect notwithstanding anything inconsistent therewith contained in the Official Secrets Act, 1923, and any other law for the time being in force or in any instrument having effect by virtue of any law other than this Act.


        So the High Court Rules are inconsistent with the provision of the RTI Act 2005. 

        In this Regard the the Judgement of Mr. Sailesh Gandhi, Central Information Commission will come handy to you, in which the Supreme Court RTI Rules were torn to pieces by the Honorable CIC. This Decision is attached herewith


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        Right to Information Act 2005
        Section 22 -
        The provisions of this Act shall have effect notwithstanding anything inconsistent therewith contained in the Official Secrets Act, 1923, and any other law for the time being in force or in any instrument having effect by virtue of any law other than this Act.
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        - President, RTI Help & Assistance Forum Chandigarh 
        - Life Member, Chandigarh Consumers Association
        - Youth for Human Rights International - YHRI - South Asia
        - Jt. Secretary, Amateur Judo Association of Chandigarh
        - Member, SPACE - Society for Promotion and Conservation of Environment, Chandigarh
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          Sharad Phadke | 5 Jun 11:06 2012
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          Re: [rti_india] Re: P&H High court : No sanction needed to remove corrupt babus:

           

          There is one SC judgement where it is set aside in case of  Prevention of Corruption Act Section 12. I will search it and send you.

          Sharad Phadke

          From: Surendera M. Bhanot <bhanot1952-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
          To: Sant Mathur <santmathur-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
          Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 6:13 PM
          Subject: [rti_india] Re: P&H High court : No sanction needed to remove corrupt babus:

           
          On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
          How have the country's legal luminaries reacted to the P&H HC judgement? How about its applicability countrywide?
          s p mathur
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          My Comments:

          The High Court has only interpreted the law as it stands.

          The interpretation is applicable pan India till any other High Court give a different interpretation or  it is rebutted by the Supreme Court. The interpretation is clear enough. 

          Dr. Subramanium Swamy is using Section 5(3) of the Prevention of the Corruption Act 1988 whereby he is also the Public Prosecutor. 

          One must have a inconclusive proof of the corruption being there. One can file a direct complaint under the provisions of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, apply to the proceedings before a special Judge; and for the purposes of the said provisions, the Court of the special Judge shall be deemed to be a Court of Session and the person conducting a prosecution before a special Judge shall be deemed to be a public prosecutor.

          The relevant provisions of the CPA is reproduced below:
          -------------------------------------------------------
          THE PREVENTION OF CORRUPTION ACT, 1988
          Section 5. Procedure and powers of special Judge
          (1) A special Judge may take cognizance of offences without the accused being committed to him for trial and, in trying the accused persons, shall follow the procedure prescribed by the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973. for the trial of warrant cases by Magistrates.

          (2) A special Judge may, with a view to obtaining the evidence of any person supposed to have been directly or indirectly concerned in or privy to, an offence, tender a pardon to such person on condition of his making a full and true disclosure of the whole circumstances within his knowledge. relating to the offence and to every other person concerned, whether as principal or abettor, in the commission thereof and any pardon so tendered shall, for the purposes of sub-sections (1) to (5) of section 308 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, be deemed to have been tendered under section 307 of that Code.

          (3) Save as provided in sub-sections (1) or sub-section (2), the provisions of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, shall, so far as they are not inconsistent with this Act, apply to the proceedings before a special Judge; and for the purposes of the said provisions, the Court of the special Judge shall be deemed to be a Court of Session and the person conducting a prosecution before a special Judge shall be deemed to be a public prosecutor.

          (4) In particular and without prejudice to the generality of the provisions contained in subsection (3), the provisions of sections 326 and 475 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, shall, so for as may be, apply to the proceedings before a special Judge and for the purposes of the said provisions, a special Judge shall be deemed to be a Magistrate.

          (5) A special Judge may pass upon any person convicted by him any sentence authorised by law for the punishment of the offence of which such person is convicted.

          (6) A special Judge, while trying an offence punishable under this Act, shall exercise all the powers and functions exercisable by a District Judge under the Criminal Law Amendment Ordinance, 1944.
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          On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
          How have the country's legal luminaries reacted to the P&H HC judgement? How about its applicability countrywide?
          spmathur


           
          On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Surendera M. Bhanot <bhanot1952-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
          High court:
          No sanction needed to remove corrupt babus
          Saurabh Malik/TNS
          Chandigarh, 28 May 2012
           
          In a first, the Punjab and Haryana High Court has reinterpreted provisions of the Prevention of Corruption Act to hold that public servants, who can be removed by the subordinate authorities other than the government, are not entitled to protection of sanction......To Read More open attachment.
           

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          Surendera M. Bhanot
          - Coordinator, RTIFED, Punjab Chandigarh   
          - President, RTI Help & Assistance Forum Chandigarh 
          - Life Member, Chandigarh Consumers Association
          - Youth for Human Rights International - YHRI - South Asia
          - Jt. Secretary, Amateur Judo Association of Chandigarh
          - Member, SPACE - Society for Promotion and Conservation of Environment, Chandigarh
          No. 3758, Sector 22-D, Chandigarh-160022
          Mob: 919-888-810-811
          PHONE: 91-172-5000970
          FAX: 91-172-5000970
          Mail Me





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          Surendera M. Bhanot
          - Coordinator, RTIFED, Punjab Chandigarh   
          - President, RTI Help & Assistance Forum Chandigarh 
          - Life Member, Chandigarh Consumers Association
          - Youth for Human Rights International - YHRI - South Asia
          - Jt. Secretary, Amateur Judo Association of Chandigarh
          - Member, SPACE - Society for Promotion and Conservation of Environment, Chandigarh
          No. 3758, Sector 22-D, Chandigarh-160022
          Mob: 919-888-810-811
          PHONE: 91-172-5000970
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            AK Bhattacharyya | 1 Jun 05:47 2012
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            Re: How can we Prevent the On-going Blunders in India - Is RTI Helpful ?

             
            Please ignore such parasites of the society .Do not invite them on any function unless he proves himself as a real patron of the society.Looking at the lavish celebrations  made
            on marriage, birthday and on many such occasions the country is now a safe haven for a limited few of unearned income[Black -Money] persons.Please shun such gatherings with the contempt it deserves.When you are in distress none of these self seekers have time to be by your side for help.It is time for silent protest by each one against such vulgar life style of few.   

            With kind regards



            A.K.BHATTACHARYYA

            F.I.StructE (UK), FIE (India), FIBE, FIRT
            H-2A, Hauzkhas, New Delhi -16, Ph:011-26854127

            --- On Wed, 5/30/12, capt beniwal <trident142-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org> wrote:

            From: capt beniwal <trident142-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org>
            Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can we Prevent the On-going Blunders in India - Is RTI Helpful ?
            To: humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
            Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 5:45 PM

            Goyal sir, what you said is for every body to follow. But for information to all/you  the  MPs have made   themselves ENTITLED to pension by being  ONE DAY in parliament, thats  after he/she takes oath, because they have omitted the minimum service period from the rule for pension for MPs. any person who was MP for  ANY period shall be paid pension, including those members of constituent assembly. Is it not great job done by the MPs of all parties ?. The MPs should serve a minimum of ten years, similar to a public servant,  to become entitled for pension and perks.  they have also made SC judge entitled to pension after ONE DAY in the court wef Apr 2004. this was done so that no body challange the MPs getting pension after one day in parliament. you may call such act what ever you like, all MPs are together in it.   rgds. beniwal     

            --- On Wed, 30/5/12, Hari Goyal <rtidwarka-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org> wrote:

            From: Hari Goyal <rtidwarka-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org>
            Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can we Prevent the On-going Blunders in India - Is RTI Helpful ?
            To: humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
            Cc: "RTI Activist Hari Goyal" <rtidwarka-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org>, "Gr RTI India" <admin <at> rtiindia.org>, "RTI_India" <rti_india-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
            Date: Wednesday, 30 May, 2012, 10:05 AM

            We the citizens of Real India take certain steps immediately:
             
            1. We must stop addressing the Ministers in Centre and in States, addressing them 'Hon'ble'
             
            2.  No body including ministers and their relatives not living with them also should get free security staff when they are paid from the common man's contribution to Central and State Taxes.
             
            3.   No free passes for air travels and by railways for the family members of the buraucrats.
             
            4.   No pension for any MP or MLA if he/she has not served for 20 years at least. No question of pension after 5 yeras of getting MP ship or MLA ship. There should be record of time and days when the elected so-called representative in Partliament and State Assembly.
             
            5.  Travelling by vehicles for the members of Babus for getting vegetables from the market, going to schools and colleges by sons/daughters of Babus must be stopped. Let them hire taxis by paying from Babu's salary.  
             
            Hari Goyal
            30.05.2012

            --- On Sun, 6/5/12, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

            From: Mahesh Khera <mkkhera-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
            Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can we Prevent the On-going Blunders in India - Is RTI Helpful ?
            To: "humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org" <humjanenge <at> googlegroups.com>
            Date: Sunday, 6 May, 2012, 8:24 PM

            Hi Sarbajit,

            Your approach appears to be very logical as you have first described the rationale and then proposed sending of mails.

            The whole of nation fought for Jan Lokpal, politicians made it to be a shameful and disgraceful tamasha as govt appointed Abhishek Manu Singhvi as the chairman of the standing committee deciding Lokpal draft, babus were cunning and our TV channels so eager to sell the ad time made the whole serious issue of corruption  as a joke. People got disillusioned. India does not know how to make netas work, babus accountable, police act as Law Enforcement Agencies for all on equality basis and judiciary come out of their self planned sleepy mode and many times deciding the verdict first and trial later.

            Your approach of sending carefully drafted mails with startling facts  to serving babus from distinguished citizens who have served the nation with distinction and are recognized as respectful people and most of the babus receiving the mails from such a well respected fraternity would get impacted for improvement. I say this because your mails will contain such unquestionable startling facts, if babus act the aim is achieved. If babus choose to ignore and the sordid state continues then these babus would be liable to be taken to court for dereliction of duties even when they have been told about the impending disaster through these mails.  
             
            Let your initiative awaken the babudom to their responsibility clearly knowing that the sword hangs on their heads if they do not take action. 

            With warm regards,

            Col Mahesh Khera


            From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
            To: humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
            Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 8:50 PM
            Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can we Prevent the On-going Blunders in India - Is RTI Helpful ?

            Dear Mahesh

            Messages from this RTI related forum go out to about 10,000 persons.

            The "10 million" reference is about another of my social work
            associations which is
            not connected with RTI, (but with A) nation building as per Indian
            tradition B) Elimination of corrupt persons).

            As we can all sense, l and I'm sure nobody will deny it, the Indian
            people are sheep who can be easily brainwashed, controlled by foreign
            parasites, and easily led astray into wasting their time in blind
            alleys and useless activities. (ie. "Lotus Eaters"). It is only our
            Defence forces which have held the nation together (until now). After
            retirement most of glorious IESMs revert to mean and indulge in Lotus
            Eating activities.

            If even 50 of our IESM members volunteer to send just 2 emails
            (drafted by me) to babus (selected by me) ONCE a MONTH,  we will
            witness change taking place before our eyes and in our lifetimes.

            Screw social media and public battles - those are for Lotus Eating
            NGOs.  Patriots execute covert actions against precise targets based
            on proper intelligence.

            For instance, I want 50 volunteers to send an email (which I have
            already sent in my own name) to the Babus concerning how 8,000
            Ministry of Defence computers were hacked by the Chinese and the babus
            are still fighting over who will investigate the matter. No
            investigation has taken place and 1000's of Top Secret files of Army
            and Assam Rifles were sucked out of MoD computers and these computers
            are still connected to the Internet leaking away to our Enemy No.1.

            After this I want to send an email about a recent CONFIDENTAIL Cabinet
            Secretariat project which re-employs retired babus at per-diems of Rs.
            5,000 per day with stay in 4 star hotels in Delhi and regular to=fro
            air tickets etc. The names of the people selected are an eye opener.

            Sarbajit

            On 5/3/12, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
            > Dear Friends,
            >
            > US, Canada, China, Korea, 26 EU nations and 10 other developed nations are
            > on a high speed irrevocable growth path of encouraging and implementing
            > Telecom, Media and Technology (TMT) infrastructure. This infrastructure has
            > been growing their economies as also helping them to lead mostly a
            > corruption free life. All this is due to their educated, mature, relatively
            > honest and committed political leadership kept in solid monitoring and
            > control mode by their people, quick and hawk like media and swift
            > judiciary. >> India has already nearly destroyed one of its most essential
            > infrastructures, telecom and it now has been brought in line with our every
            > other dismal infrastructure like roads, power, education, health,
            > transportation, ports, airports and so on. More importantly, a ubiquitous
            > TMT infrastructure is a pre-requisite to curb corruption. Lokpals/Lokayuktas
            >  and honest judiciary can bring to little extent but when combined with e
            > governance, a very sharp decline in corruption is achieved in quickest time.
            > We have already destroyed both the growth prospects of our GDP as also the
            > dreams of controlling corruption.
            >
            > In the absence of any other means, can RTI be used to gather necessary
            > inputs and then combined with media quickly disseminate these to the people
            > like a viral letting them know how our political leadership through their
            > unintelligent, immature and dishonest commitment to their oaths which they
            > all took when they became MPs/MLAs, ministers and so on has been taking the
            > country behind while the rest of the world is marching ahead with
            > improvements after improvements. Just to cite only one example, South Korea
            > a war ravaged nation got its independence much later than India, its one
            > company Samsung alone generates more than $ 160 billion of annual revenue
            > and just recently beaten Apple to second place in its own backyards in US.
            > Look at the policies followed by them and what India has done. We have no
            > place to hide our selves from this shame.
            >
            > Through this single largest forum in the country, more than 10 million as
            > per Mr Sarbajit, lets take up what ever we can to raise this awareness like
            > a viral among the people of India.
            >
            > Jai Hind
            >
            > With warm regards,
            >
            > Col Mahesh Khera


            Hari Goyal | 2 Jun 09:30 2012
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            Dear Capt. Beniwal,
             
            Thanks for the information. I did'nt know that SC judges are also entiutled for pension after one days service.  
             
            Hari Goyal
            (Prof. Hari Dev Goyal)
            indian Economic Service (1968 Batch)  

            --- On Wed, 30/5/12, capt beniwal <trident142-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org> wrote:

            From: capt beniwal <trident142-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org>
            Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can we Prevent the On-going Blunders in India - Is RTI Helpful ?
            To: humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
            Date: Wednesday, 30 May, 2012, 5:45 PM

            Goyal sir, what you said is for every body to follow. But for information to all/you  the  MPs have made   themselves ENTITLED to pension by being  ONE DAY in parliament, thats  after he/she takes oath, because they have omitted the minimum service period from the rule for pension for MPs. any person who was MP for  ANY period shall be paid pension, including those members of constituent assembly. Is it not great job done by the MPs of all parties ?. The MPs should serve a minimum of ten years, similar to a public servant,  to become entitled for pension and perks.  they have also made SC judge entitled to pension after ONE DAY in the court wef Apr 2004. this was done so that no body challange the MPs getting pension after one day in parliament. you may call such act what ever you like, all MPs are together in it.   rgds. beniwal     

            --- On Wed, 30/5/12, Hari Goyal <rtidwarka-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org> wrote:

            From: Hari Goyal <rtidwarka-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org>
            Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can we Prevent the On-going Blunders in India - Is RTI Helpful ?
            To: humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
            Cc: "RTI Activist Hari Goyal" <rtidwarka-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org>, "Gr RTI India" <admin <at> rtiindia.org>, "RTI_India" <rti_india-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
            Date: Wednesday, 30 May, 2012, 10:05 AM

            We the citizens of Real India take certain steps immediately:
             
            1. We must stop addressing the Ministers in Centre and in States, addressing them 'Hon'ble'
             
            2.  No body including ministers and their relatives not living with them also should get free security staff when they are paid from the common man's contribution to Central and State Taxes.
             
            3.   No free passes for air travels and by railways for the family members of the buraucrats.
             
            4.   No pension for any MP or MLA if he/she has not served for 20 years at least. No question of pension after 5 yeras of getting MP ship or MLA ship. There should be record of time and days when the elected so-called representative in Partliament and State Assembly.
             
            5.  Travelling by vehicles for the members of Babus for getting vegetables from the market, going to schools and colleges by sons/daughters of Babus must be stopped. Let them hire taxis by paying from Babu's salary.  
             
            Hari Goyal
            30.05.2012

            --- On Sun, 6/5/12, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

            From: Mahesh Khera <mkkhera-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
            Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can we Prevent the On-going Blunders in India - Is RTI Helpful ?
            To: "humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org" <humjanenge <at> googlegroups.com>
            Date: Sunday, 6 May, 2012, 8:24 PM

            Hi Sarbajit,

            Your approach appears to be very logical as you have first described the rationale and then proposed sending of mails.

            The whole of nation fought for Jan Lokpal, politicians made it to be a shameful and disgraceful tamasha as govt appointed Abhishek Manu Singhvi as the chairman of the standing committee deciding Lokpal draft, babus were cunning and our TV channels so eager to sell the ad time made the whole serious issue of corruption  as a joke. People got disillusioned. India does not know how to make netas work, babus accountable, police act as Law Enforcement Agencies for all on equality basis and judiciary come out of their self planned sleepy mode and many times deciding the verdict first and trial later.

            Your approach of sending carefully drafted mails with startling facts  to serving babus from distinguished citizens who have served the nation with distinction and are recognized as respectful people and most of the babus receiving the mails from such a well respected fraternity would get impacted for improvement. I say this because your mails will contain such unquestionable startling facts, if babus act the aim is achieved. If babus choose to ignore and the sordid state continues then these babus would be liable to be taken to court for dereliction of duties even when they have been told about the impending disaster through these mails.  
             
            Let your initiative awaken the babudom to their responsibility clearly knowing that the sword hangs on their heads if they do not take action. 

            With warm regards,

            Col Mahesh Khera


            From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
            To: humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
            Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 8:50 PM
            Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can we Prevent the On-going Blunders in India - Is RTI Helpful ?

            Dear Mahesh

            Messages from this RTI related forum go out to about 10,000 persons.

            The "10 million" reference is about another of my social work
            associations which is
            not connected with RTI, (but with A) nation building as per Indian
            tradition B) Elimination of corrupt persons).

            As we can all sense, l and I'm sure nobody will deny it, the Indian
            people are sheep who can be easily brainwashed, controlled by foreign
            parasites, and easily led astray into wasting their time in blind
            alleys and useless activities. (ie. "Lotus Eaters"). It is only our
            Defence forces which have held the nation together (until now). After
            retirement most of glorious IESMs revert to mean and indulge in Lotus
            Eating activities.

            If even 50 of our IESM members volunteer to send just 2 emails
            (drafted by me) to babus (selected by me) ONCE a MONTH,  we will
            witness change taking place before our eyes and in our lifetimes.

            Screw social media and public battles - those are for Lotus Eating
            NGOs.  Patriots execute covert actions against precise targets based
            on proper intelligence.

            For instance, I want 50 volunteers to send an email (which I have
            already sent in my own name) to the Babus concerning how 8,000
            Ministry of Defence computers were hacked by the Chinese and the babus
            are still fighting over who will investigate the matter. No
            investigation has taken place and 1000's of Top Secret files of Army
            and Assam Rifles were sucked out of MoD computers and these computers
            are still connected to the Internet leaking away to our Enemy No.1.

            After this I want to send an email about a recent CONFIDENTAIL Cabinet
            Secretariat project which re-employs retired babus at per-diems of Rs.
            5,000 per day with stay in 4 star hotels in Delhi and regular to=fro
            air tickets etc. The names of the people selected are an eye opener.

            Sarbajit

            On 5/3/12, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
            > Dear Friends,
            >
            > US, Canada, China, Korea, 26 EU nations and 10 other developed nations are
            > on a high speed irrevocable growth path of encouraging and implementing
            > Telecom, Media and Technology (TMT) infrastructure. This infrastructure has
            > been growing their economies as also helping them to lead mostly a
            > corruption free life. All this is due to their educated, mature, relatively
            > honest and committed political leadership kept in solid monitoring and
            > control mode by their people, quick and hawk like media and swift
            > judiciary. >> India has already nearly destroyed one of its most essential
            > infrastructures, telecom and it now has been brought in line with our every
            > other dismal infrastructure like roads, power, education, health,
            > transportation, ports, airports and so on. More importantly, a ubiquitous
            > TMT infrastructure is a pre-requisite to curb corruption. Lokpals/Lokayuktas
            >  and honest judiciary can bring to little extent but when combined with e
            > governance, a very sharp decline in corruption is achieved in quickest time.
            > We have already destroyed both the growth prospects of our GDP as also the
            > dreams of controlling corruption.
            >
            > In the absence of any other means, can RTI be used to gather necessary
            > inputs and then combined with media quickly disseminate these to the people
            > like a viral letting them know how our political leadership through their
            > unintelligent, immature and dishonest commitment to their oaths which they
            > all took when they became MPs/MLAs, ministers and so on has been taking the
            > country behind while the rest of the world is marching ahead with
            > improvements after improvements. Just to cite only one example, South Korea
            > a war ravaged nation got its independence much later than India, its one
            > company Samsung alone generates more than $ 160 billion of annual revenue
            > and just recently beaten Apple to second place in its own backyards in US.
            > Look at the policies followed by them and what India has done. We have no
            > place to hide our selves from this shame.
            >
            > Through this single largest forum in the country, more than 10 million as
            > per Mr Sarbajit, lets take up what ever we can to raise this awareness like
            > a viral among the people of India.
            >
            > Jai Hind
            >
            > With warm regards,
            >
            > Col Mahesh Khera


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