Dwarakanath | 1 Oct 03:01 2011
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Re: RTI reply - a new trend

Friend,  Section 6(2) of the RTI ACt is herewith reproduced:

(2)

 "

An applicant making request for information shall not be required to give any reason for requesting the information or any other personal details except those that may be necessary for contacting him.".

Section 3 of the Act is only a directive to the concerned authorities how and in what form etc., to prepare and keep the information of their day to day activities and does not enable them to  ask any question whatsoever.  It only emphasises the duty of the State towrds the Citizens.   Neither the object of this Law nor the provisions of this section/sub-section authorises the State, to verify who is the applicant.   If the authorities suspect the bonafides or the information sought is of such serious nature, they have every possibility of verifying the citizenship of the applicant through the Police/CCB , CBI, Defence or other agencies who are exclusively meant for it, if the information asked for is protected or prohibited under the RTI Act.   30 days time limit provided for the authorities to give you the information.  If u do not get the information in 30 days, you hae the right to complaint to the Informatin Commissioner deeming that this authority has refused to give u the information and request to pemalise them according to the RTI Act.  However, if the Oil company needs to verify your citizenship, they can separately take it up through authorised agencies without asking you for any proof.  regards,   dwarakanthdm


 
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
M. Rangarajan,
(retired Group General Manager ONGC)
B 2 – 301, SRIRAM SPANDHANA,
Chellaghatta village,
Bangalore – 560037.
Phone: 25227955, mobile 9945091581
Dated 20th September 2011
 
Dear friends / RTI activists,
 
I asked for some information from M/s Chennai Petroleum Corporation Ltd, a Government of India Undertaking under Ministry of Petroleum under RTI Act. I am enclosing copy of letter for information of all.
 
The gist of letter is as followes:
 
I quote:
 
In compliance with Sec 3 of Right to Information Act 2005, we request you to kindly send us the proof for citizenship like a copy of Election Identity Card, or a copy of tje Passport issued by Govt. of India or any document duly attested by a Notory Public / Executive magistrate to eable us to procede further.
 
Unquote.
 
I have sought information from many Cental Government Department, State Government Departments, and Public Sector Undertaking etc and so for none .have asked for proof of my Citizenship. This appear to be uncalled for and illigal new trend.
 
I would very much appreciate some advise - how should I procede further. 
 
warm regards / rangarajan

Sidharth Misra | 1 Oct 03:31 2011
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Fwd: Third party right under RTI Act upheld

Friends,

Here's an important decision of DHC.

Arvind Kejriwal's challenge fails to convince Delhi High Court on
third party rights.

http://goo.gl/84JHg   (Judgment)

http://goo.gl/NA54n   (News Clip)

Sidharth Misra
Attachment (SKN30092011LPA7192010.pdf): application/pdf, 380 KiB
Sarbajit Roy | 1 Oct 04:47 2011
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Re: Fwd: Third party right under RTI Act upheld

Dear Friends

Thsi is a very important decsion on 3rd party rights and clearly establishes

1) That Arvind Kejriwal is still up to his little (or not so little) spying business on ACRs etc for his foreign paymasters.

2) That Arvind Kerjriwal LOST comprehensively on 3rd party rights. This is a great LOSS for all those silly little RTI activists (incl. Magsaysay awardees) whose heads are filled with nonsense

3) That the view(s) of this group (as constantly expressed by the moderators) on 3rd party rights u/s 8 and 11 were upheld as CORRECT.

4) That the NGO haramis are back to their old media tricks of putting a positive "spin" on their great LOSS to fool their brainless activist flock (who never read the actual judgments).

Thanks for this one SID <smile>

Sarbajit




On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Sidharth Misra <sidharthbbsr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Friends,

Here's an important decision of DHC.

Arvind Kejriwal's challenge fails to convince Delhi High Court on
third party rights.

http://goo.gl/84JHg   (Judgment)

http://goo.gl/NA54n   (News Clip)

Sidharth Misra

LESLIE ALMEIDA | 1 Oct 16:06 2011
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[rti_india] Consumer court fines cop for RTI delay

 

Consumer court fines cop for RTI delay
An RTI applicant is paying to seek information and can therefore be considered a consumer, a recent Nagpur consumer court ruling has suggested, with the forum ordering a tardy public information officer (PIO) to pay Rs 1,000 as compensation for 'deficient service'. The Additional Nagpur District Consumer Disputes Redressal Forum was hearing a case filed by Kishore Kadbe of Nagpur district, who had sought information on action taken on a police case he had filed. (Details of the police case are not currently available to the press.)
"Each RTI applicant must affix a court fee stamp to the application, which means he is paying to seek information and is therefore a consumer," said advocate Anand Patwardan, explaining the premise of the order.
Kadbe's RTI application was filed on February 24. When he received no reply within the stipulated 30 days, he appealed to the local sub-divisional police officer (SDPO), who did not respond either.
In August, Kadbe approached the consumer forum, saying the lack of information had caused him physical and mental agony.
"Kadbe has proved that the PIO was deficient in his service and [performance of] his duty," observed the three-member forum, ordering the PIO to pay Rs 1,000 as compensation and Rs 300 towards legal costs.
 
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    mmp kala | 1 Oct 15:05 2011
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    Re: Fw: Fwd: [New post] SALE OF CARS TO ALL RANKS THROUGH CSD

    Dear Friends,

    Cars are purchased from the trade directly after the same is authorized by the CSD Depot/Station Headquarters.  Where is the requirement of advance to be paid for the cars?  In fact the CSD should be getting their share of profits from the trade for each car supplied to the consumer.  Is the QMG Branch taking us for a ride? And why should there be shortage of funds for general stores; in fact, the CSD should be overflowing with money, unless  its funds have been appropriated for some other purpose.  Will some body explain please.

    Col MMP Kala


    --- On Thu, 29/9/11, Raj Dhillon <rdhillon49-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

    From: Raj Dhillon <rdhillon49-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
    Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Fw: Fwd: [New post] SALE OF CARS TO ALL RANKS THROUGH CSD
    To: humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
    Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 9:56 PM

    Hi Daljit, Just checking if you are ex YPS and/ or 33 NDA .....

    Regards,
    Rajendra Dhillon (ex YPS & 33 NDA)

    On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Daljit Dhillon <bdicky07-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org> wrote:

     
    With best regards,
     
    Brig. D.S. Dhillon
    Resident Director,
    RAP MEDIA LTD.
    Chandigarh.
    (M) 9876707449
     

     
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    SALE OF CARS TO ALL RANKS THROUGH CSD

    by desanavy
    The Decision to stop the sale to all ranks upto 31 Aug 11 was taken by QMG Branch due to inadequate budget allocation to CSD for FY 2011-12. The situation is yet to improve and allocated budget is only sufficient to cater for purchase of Grocery and Liquor. CSD has taken up a case with MoD for allocation of additional funds and outcome is awaited. Thus, status quo on this subject will be maintained. Special sanction will be given by QMG on case to case basis.
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    Joyprakash Chhetry | 1 Oct 21:53 2011
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    Re: [HumJanenge] Democracy – Why Can’t We Have Obama, Modi & Modi Everywhere

    Mr. Rajender Singh,
    ou have invented awrong idea of Gujarat being a miserable state and Modi being a Hitler. Go, visit and realiose the difference. Modi IS the next PM candidate and we support him wholeheartedly.
    JP.
     

    From: Ashok Bhanot <bhanotashok-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
    To: humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 4:59 PM
    Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] Democracy – Why Can’t We Have Obama, Modi & Modi Everywhere

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    I think either you are biased or dont know about Gujrat. This state has always been a properous and advanced state infrastructure wise.
    In Feb 1971 after plane was hijacked by pakistan I moved the Army convoy from Pune to Jodhpur. While Rajsthan and just Class 9 road (single lane) Gujrat had 8 Lanes cemented roads which are still not available in most parts of the country even today.
    Which common man from Gujrat have you met.
    Let us be realistic and logical
     
    Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Democracy – Why Can’t We Have Obama, Modi & Modi Everywhere
    To: humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; progressindia008-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
    From: mkkhera <at> yahoo.com
    Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:17:53 +0000

    Gujarat today has system of doing cataract operation of animals too. You can imagine that all human beings are already covered for this kind of a need. Ask common man in Gujarat, he says ab yahan aman aur chain hai, forget the dog like fight between Cong and BJP. Gujarat is thriving on e gov. If we have a strong and powerful PM, India would be under e gov and 95 % graft is eradicated. Yes, we need a political party with inner and outer democracy but never a weak leader as we have today. your mention of Hitler or Nazism are both misleading. If a common person irrespective of caste, creed or religion is happy, that strong and powerful leader deserves to be the PM. Nation needs very strong, fool proof and 24/7 unfailing national e gov which gives jitters to all potential economic offenders day in and day out and sends signals to their mind that if they even think of taking any graft the e gov method can get them punished so badly that their gen next also would advise them not to do it. If u do it then u r alone in this. Gujarat is on its way to be that state by 2020. Warm regards,
    Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
    From: Ravinder Singh <corruptionfree04-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
    Sender: humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
    Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 01:25:36 +0200
    To: Ravinder Singh<progressindia008-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
    ReplyTo: humjanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
    Subject: [HumJanenge] Democracy – Why Can’t We Have Obama , Modi & Modi Everywhere

    Democracy – Why Can’t We Have Obama, Modi & Modi Everywhere
     
    Col. I, Jayakaran,
     
    I observed 2009 US Presidential Elections wanted to find out why couldn’t India prop up an Obama and why do we see Modi & Modi everywhere analyzed Constitution & Conduct of Indian Political Parties and came up with Democratic Party of India constitution inspired and improved to work for India.
     
    Our Political Parties function like India Private Companies that do not value merit; do not accept views of juniors in cadre and families who own more shares run the company or appoint person of their choice to work. It is difficult for outsiders to join any party and given due place based on merit.
     
    There is no inner & outer democracy in India like we see in US Elections – Obama battled through inner party democratic process in every state and won inner party polls before finally nominated to represent Democratic Party – people knew his policies and programs in detail.
     
    We see Modi, Modi, Modi everywhere in Gujarat because there is no inner party democracy in ruling party and no body is allowed to speak against Modi just like Nazi Germany.
     
    Just like monsoon come suddenly there are rains, frogs comes out of soil, make noises and mate then disappear in about 100 days, Elections process in India is similar Elections are announced suddenly, Candidates crop up from nowhere who make wild noises and false promises and votes are cast and everything is wound up in 100 days then Candidates disappear for five years. One in ten Candidates is a winner and becomes inaccessible to majority of the people, he is not required to be intelligent to make decisions that are taken by Central Leadership and is free to make money by legal or illegal means or indulge in criminal activities including bootlegging, extortions, rape, murder and prostitution etc.
     
    Design of Democratic Party
     
    We need Democratic Party that is accessible to every citizen of India 24x365 basis – anyone may join or leave the party, make useful contribution from inside or outside the party and office bearers are elected on merits alone.
     
    We have to provide an alternative.
     
    Ravinder Singh
    Inventor & Engineer
    September27, 2011


    LESLIE ALMEIDA | 1 Oct 04:43 2011
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    Yes, I will be dong just That, thanks for the section 200 of IPC
    L.Almeida

    From: Dwarakanath <dwarakanathdm <at> gmail.com>
    To: humjanenge <at> googlegroups.com
    Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:05 AM
    Subject: Re: [HumJanenge]

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    friend, Under sec 200 criminal proceedure code, there is a provision that. if th olice do not register a case on a xcomplaint and investigate, a citizen can directly submit his complaint to the jurisdictional Magistrate, stating details of the crime committed on him and the Magistrate would order a case to be registered,  The police will be compelled to take action.  However the end result depends on the investigation. Regards, dwarakanthdm

    On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:31 AM, LESLIE ALMEIDA <lesals2000-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
    Dear Friends,
    As many may know that i was brutally stabbed on.23.01.2011, Thanks to 5 Doctors of Holy Family Hospital and by the Grace of God, I recovered, On coming back to my senses after about 2 month , I found that there were 2 abettors to the crime, I have also necessary Documents, Photographs, I Put complain at Bandra Police station with documentary evidence, and after 2 months followed by RTI query as to progress report on my complain. and file notings as to why Abettors not arrested. No investigation done on my complain, no response to my 4 RTI applications, 60 days have passed. Filed 1st appeal within the time frame. 30 days have passed still no hearing date given to me by 1st appellate authority reason given there is a backlog and i will be given a hearing,
     
    On 6 th August 2011 There was an interactive session at Carmel convent school hall, Speak up, speak out, meet your Police, I showed my complains, RTI applications to Senior inspector Shri Samad Sheikh and asked him for an explanation, he said he knows my case and will call me , from 6th Aug 2011 he has not called me,
    Phoned him he said to meet PSI Kulkarni, phoned PSI Kulkarni he told me to come at 11 am when i went there No Kulkarni or Samad Sheikh, numerious trips to meet Senior Police Samad Sheikh proved futile as everytime i went there they said he is on nakabhandi,or out on some outdoor work, fed up i send a Courier letter to PSI Samad Sheikh,asking him to give me an appointment just 15 to 20 minutes of his time, No response,
    As reported by press, TV news, Who will Police the Police? Killers in Khaki, Political interference in working of the Police. survey poll shows 85 pcnt of citizens dont trust the Police, Police reforms are still in the making, have no option left but to take up matter at Magistrate court as per an article put up by Prof Leo Rebello some years back which i had saved..many tell me to look after my health rather then running after theses Dogs. But I am in No way to give up or sit tight as I need Justice.
    If anyone has a better concrete advise/option Kindly advise
    now Bandra Police station do not entertain complains in writing. so i put my complains to higher authorities.
    If anyone has a better concrete advise/option Kindly advise
    Kind rgds
    Leslie Almeida
     



    sandeep kumar | 1 Oct 06:42 2011
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    Re: RTI reply - a new trend

    Please send me the rti application. let me pursue the matter.
    regards
    sandeep
    
    On 10/1/11, Dwarakanath <dwarakanathdm@...> wrote:
    > Friend,  Section 6(2) of the RTI ACt is herewith reproduced:
    >
    >   (2)
    >
    >  "
    >
    > An applicant making request for information shall not be required to give
    > any reason for requesting the information or any other personal details
    > except those that may be necessary for contacting him.".
    >
    > Section 3 of the Act is only a directive to the concerned authorities how
    > and in what form etc., to prepare and keep the information of their day to
    > day activities and does not enable them to  ask any question whatsoever.  It
    > only emphasises the duty of the State towrds the Citizens.   Neither the
    > object of this Law nor the provisions of this section/sub-section authorises
    > the State, to verify who is the applicant.   If the authorities suspect the
    > bonafides or the information sought is of such serious nature, they have
    > every possibility of verifying the citizenship of the applicant through the
    > Police/CCB , CBI, Defence or other agencies who are exclusively meant for
    > it, if the information asked for is protected or prohibited under the RTI
    > Act.   30 days time limit provided for the authorities to give you the
    > information.  If u do not get the information in 30 days, you hae the right
    > to complaint to the Informatin Commissioner deeming that this authority has
    > refused to give u the information and request to pemalise them according to
    > the RTI Act.  However, if the Oil company needs to verify your citizenship,
    > they can separately take it up through authorised agencies without asking
    > you for any proof.  regards,   dwarakanthdm
    >
    >
    > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Mathre Rangarajan
    > <rangajan@...>wrote:
    >
    >>  M. Rangarajan,******
    >> *(retired Group General Manager ONGC)*
    >> B 2 – 301, SRIRAM SPANDHANA,****
    >> Chellaghatta village,****
    >> *******Bangalore****** – 560037*.****
    >> *Phone: 25227955, mobile 9945091581*
    >> *e-mail: rangajan@... /
    rangajan@... *
    >> Dated 20th September 2011
    >>
    >> Dear friends / RTI activists,
    >>
    >> I asked for some information from M/s Chennai Petroleum Corporation Ltd, a
    >> Government of India Undertaking under Ministry of Petroleum under RTI Act.
    >> I
    >> am enclosing copy of letter for information of all.
    >>
    >> The gist of letter is as followes:
    >>
    >> I quote:
    >>
    >> In compliance with Sec 3 of Right to Information Act 2005, we request you
    >> to kindly send us the proof for citizenship like a copy of Election
    >> Identity
    >> Card, or a copy of tje Passport issued by Govt. of India or any document
    >> duly attested by a Notory Public / Executive magistrate to eable us to
    >> procede further.
    >>
    >> Unquote.
    >>
    >> I have sought information from many Cental Government Department, State
    >> Government Departments, and Public Sector Undertaking etc and so for
    >> none .have asked for proof of my Citizenship. This appear to be uncalled
    >> for
    >> and illigal new trend.
    >>
    >> I would very much appreciate some advise - how should I procede further.
    >>
    >> warm regards / rangarajan
    >>
    >
    
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    Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
    989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
    Phone: 91-99929-31181
    
    
    Vikram Simha | 1 Oct 05:53 2011
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    That is the Reason i Have Contened that the PIO is not at all delegated , relgated nor has discretionary powers to Verify one's Citizenship . He is Actually Userping the powers of the Legislation . He Does not have any vested powers to verify one's Bonafides .
    I Gor sucess when the PIO from LIC Blore Did the Same "doubting tom" Work when i Made another RTI to his Admin asking Them How this Person was recurited when he has Provided Proof of his Citizenship and a Copy was sent that person .
    I Have Learnt through Various Sources that Certain Persons Who are basically "only Trainers" have Given a Sermon that This ascpet Can Be Quired by an PIO . However They are ignoring one more Clause in the Act 21 Protection of an act done /carried in good faith .
    The Best way to Tackle this Make several RTI to DoPT

    N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.

    --- On Sat, 1/10/11, Dwarakanath <dwarakanathdm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

    From: Dwarakanath <dwarakanathdm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
    Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] RTI reply - a new trend
    To: humjanenge <at> googlegroups.com
    Date: Saturday, 1 October, 2011, 6:31 AM

    Friend,  Section 6(2) of the RTI ACt is herewith reproduced:

    (2)

     "

    An applicant making request for information shall not be required to give any reason for requesting the information or any other personal details except those that may be necessary for contacting him.".

    Section 3 of the Act is only a directive to the concerned authorities how and in what form etc., to prepare and keep the information of their day to day activities and does not enable them to  ask any question whatsoever.  It only emphasises the duty of the State towrds the Citizens.   Neither the object of this Law nor the provisions of this section/sub-section authorises the State, to verify who is the applicant.   If the authorities suspect the bonafides or the information sought is of such serious nature, they have every possibility of verifying the citizenship of the applicant through the Police/CCB , CBI, Defence or other agencies who are exclusively meant for it, if the information asked for is protected or prohibited under the RTI Act.   30 days time limit provided for the authorities to give you the information.  If u do not get the information in 30 days, you hae the right to complaint to the Informatin Commissioner deeming that this authority has refused to give u the information and request to pemalise them according to the RTI Act.  However, if the Oil company needs to verify your citizenship, they can separately take it up through authorised agencies without asking you for any proof.  regards,   dwarakanthdm


     
    On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
    M. Rangarajan,
    (retired Group General Manager ONGC)
    B 2 – 301, SRIRAM SPANDHANA,
    Chellaghatta village,
    Bangalore – 560037.
    Phone: 25227955, mobile 9945091581
    Dated 20th September 2011
     
    Dear friends / RTI activists,
     
    I asked for some information from M/s Chennai Petroleum Corporation Ltd, a Government of India Undertaking under Ministry of Petroleum under RTI Act. I am enclosing copy of letter for information of all.
     
    The gist of letter is as followes:
     
    I quote:
     
    In compliance with Sec 3 of Right to Information Act 2005, we request you to kindly send us the proof for citizenship like a copy of Election Identity Card, or a copy of tje Passport issued by Govt. of India or any document duly attested by a Notory Public / Executive magistrate to eable us to procede further.
     
    Unquote.
     
    I have sought information from many Cental Government Department, State Government Departments, and Public Sector Undertaking etc and so for none .have asked for proof of my Citizenship. This appear to be uncalled for and illigal new trend.
     
    I would very much appreciate some advise - how should I procede further. 
     
    warm regards / rangarajan

    LESLIE ALMEIDA | 1 Oct 15:06 2011
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    called at Police station only to be arrested

    Dear Friends
     
    Reference my earlier e-mail,  Civil and RTI  Activist Aftab Siddique called to Bandra Police Station
    to meet Senior Inspector of Police Samad Sheikh to give statement, only to be arrested.
    I beleive Samad Sheikh to be promoted shortly
    as such I will meet CP and others regarding My Issue before moving court.
    see attachment
     
    Rgds
    Leslie Almeida
     
     

    Gmane