Raminder Singh | 1 Oct 03:18 2010
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Re: India's next CIC = A.N. Tiwari !!!!

 

Mr Jam

Would you kindly explain where "ANT" has "argued at length as to how to seniority is to be established in the CIC".

Last year when the issue was raised over the relative seniority between commissioners Ansari and Tiwary for the limited purpose of settling the order of recording of names in CIC decisions, "ANT" cited a specific DoPT circular on the subject clarifying that the order of names in the Presidential warrant of appointment determined seniority and not the date of joining the CIC. It may be recalled that Tiwary was sworn in as commissioner later as he was asked to stay on at the persmin by the PM.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:50 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Mr Raminder,

If he did not covet the position, there was no need for him to argue at length, as to how seniority is to be established in the CIC.

The fact that both the Govt. and Opp. have agreed on ANT has nothing "remarkable" about it. It is merely the reiteration of the fact - you scratch my back today and I will scratch yours, the next time.

RTIwanted

From: Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 9:13:36 PM

Subject: Re: [rti_india] India's next CIC = A.N. Tiwari !!!!

 

Tiwary did not want /covet the post of Chief Commissioner. It is for


protocol reasons that he had perforce to be elevated, since he is
senior to Satyananda Mishra and ranks higher in warrant of precedence
issued by President. other personal comments you have passed on Tiwary
are not realistic. The remarkable fact that both PM and LoO agreed to
Tiwary's appointment speaks about his personal integrity and respect
he enjoys.



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binu peter | 1 Oct 03:25 2010
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Re: NDTV: Ansari to be CIC in December

 

Sir,
 

Provided further that where the Information Commissioner is appointed as the Chief Information Commissioner, his term of office shall not be more than five years in aggregate as the Information Commissioner and the Chief Information Commissioner.



--- On Thu, 9/30/10, sarbajitr <sroy1947-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

From: sarbajitr <sroy1947-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: [rti_india] NDTV: Ansari to be CIC in December
To: rti_india-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 10:41 PM

 
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/an-tiwari-to-replace-wajahat-habibullah-as-the-new-cic-55831

"Ansari is currently an information commissioner in the Central Information Commission. He will be sworn in as the CIC after December this year when he retires."

Comment:
No wonder NDTV sponsors the RTI awards dished out by another bunch of retards.

Sarbajit


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rti advice | 1 Oct 03:49 2010
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SC notice disappears from CIC records

 

A RTI request from a resident of Bengalaru has thrown the Central Information Commission into panic.

On 6 Sep 2010 the applicant demanded a copy of the contempt notice served on Wajahat Habibullah by the Registrar General of Supreme Court as reported in Times of India dated 4.Jan.2010.

"However, on December 4, 2009, the Supreme Court served him a contempt notice for publishing on the CIC website a detailed reasoned order concerning the need for transparency in the elevation of high court judges  to the SC. The SC said the order lowered the dignity of the court."

The office of CIC is proposing to reply to the applicant that "the contempt notice is not part of the CIC records but is personal to Mr Wajahat Habibullah". The legal officer of the CIC has, however, suggested to the PIO to deny that the information (contempt notice) exists..

The applicant is aggrieved because he was issued the first contempt notice by the CIC for allegedly abusing India's new Chief Information Commissioner A.N Tiwari during a video conference.

R.A.

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Sanjeev Santoshi | 1 Oct 04:54 2010
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Re: Re: Weeding Trash

 

Dear Friends

I'm member of 8 RTI yahoogroups for India, many of which I have stopped reading. This group is definitely the best one for many reasons.

# messages are displayed immediately

# hardly any spam and junk emails not related to RTI. (somebody can explain why people assume that just because I am interested in knowing about RTI means I am interested in also knowing about every other problem of India).

# dont have to get mails from "Urvashi Sharma", "Nutan / Amitabh Thakur", "C K Rejimon", "Krishnaraj Rao" and so many others. I'm specially happy that I dont receive 50 emails daily from "Vishal Kudchadkar" cut and pasted from news feeds.

I support the moderators (whoever they are) if they can keep this group clean and focussed on RTI. Of course the language used must be civilized and decent, and it is expected that moderators must explain the reasons for their actions instead of posting cryptic one liners.

yours faithfully
Sanjeev Santoshi

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:16 PM, nilkanth12345 <nilkanth12345-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
 

Dear Ashish,

We must kick all members, out from this group, by issuing such sudden directives, or on some pretext or another. After all, the main intention of this group, should be focussed on abusing and kicking out members, instead of discussing RTI issues.

I am sure, another member would soon complain against u too, to YAHOO for misusing using your powers, as a moderator.

In the meanwhile, keep up your good work. I am sure, plenty of other members, would also be proud of Ashish and support your good work, on using a yahoo group, to satisy personal/ ego issues.

Ashish, I am sure, YAHOO Groups would be proud of you too, in having such a learned member like you, openly abusing anyone in a yahoo group, to be a moderator, of one their groups.


--- In rti_india-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965 <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Dear RTI India group members
>
> In continuation of the previous directive, I have also decided that members
> of
> the "National RTI Forum" are ineligible to be members of this group in terms
> of the original charter and as amended from time to time.
> http://groups.google.com/group/national-rti-forum/
>
> Ashish
> moderator
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:50 AM, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965 <at> ...>wrote:

>
> > Dear RTI_India group members
> >
> > To better uplift the level of discourse on this group, I have decided that
> > persons who are
> >
> > a) working committee members of the N.C.P.R.I
> > http://www.righttoinformation.info/member_working.htm
> >
> > b) life members of the N.C.P.R.I
> > http://www.righttoinformation.info/member_life.htm
> >
> > c) campaign committee members of the N.C.P.R.I
> > http://www.righttoinformation.info/member_campaign.htm
> >
> > were ineligble to be members of this group.
> > They are requested to kindly unsubscribe themselves
> > as soon as possible..
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:41 PM, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965 <at> ...>wrote:

> >
> >> Dear Shri Raghy Rao
> >>
> >> 1. I am not an RTI activist, nor do I describe myself by such appellation.
> >> 2.You are hereby weeded out from this group..
> >>
> >> With best wishes.
> >>
> >> Ashish
> >> Moderator.
> >>
> >>
> >
>


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ashish kr1965 | 1 Oct 07:20 2010
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Re: Re: Weeding Trash

 

Dear Sh Santoshi

You have properly reached the heart of the matter.
We are the defenders of democracy and free speech.
Democracy is not the same thing as mob-o-cracy.

The reason I do not want persons from NGOs on this group are manifold.

Firstly, this is an interface group for citizens and public servants concerning the RTI.
Although we are on different sides of the "RTI divide" we jointly believe that RTI if
used "responsibly" can deliver all information which citizens are entitled to. There is
also a substantial section of "babudom" which wants accountability and transparency, we
believe that RTI Act is one of the ways to ensure this.

Secondly, we are of the view that NGOs are not citizens. As a recent CIC minutes of meeting (07.09.2010) records, the shrill clamor of a few motivated persons cannot be treated as the rational voice of the world when it comes to RTI and associated matters. Mr Shailesh Gandhi has openly disgreed with that view, so it is equally open to him and his NCPRI friends to leave this group. As you say, there are many other RTI yahoogroups - the bulk of which have
no credibility or discipline.

Ashish
Moderator

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Sanjeev Santoshi <sanjscot-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
 

Dear Friends

I'm member of 8 RTI yahoogroups for India, many of which I have stopped reading. This group is definitely the best one for many reasons.

# messages are displayed immediately

# hardly any spam and junk emails not related to RTI. (somebody can explain why people assume that just because I am interested in knowing about RTI means I am interested in also knowing about every other problem of India).

# dont have to get mails from "Urvashi Sharma", "Nutan / Amitabh Thakur", "C K Rejimon", "Krishnaraj Rao" and so many others. I'm specially happy that I dont receive 50 emails daily from "Vishal Kudchadkar" cut and pasted from news feeds.

I support the moderators (whoever they are) if they can keep this group clean and focussed on RTI. Of course the language used must be civilized and decent, and it is expected that moderators must explain the reasons for their actions instead of posting cryptic one liners.

yours faithfully
Sanjeev Santoshi



On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:16 PM, nilkanth12345 <nilkanth12345-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
 

Dear Ashish,

We must kick all members, out from this group, by issuing such sudden directives, or on some pretext or another. After all, the main intention of this group, should be focussed on abusing and kicking out members, instead of discussing RTI issues.

I am sure, another member would soon complain against u too, to YAHOO for misusing using your powers, as a moderator.

In the meanwhile, keep up your good work. I am sure, plenty of other members, would also be proud of Ashish and support your good work, on using a yahoo group, to satisy personal/ ego issues.

Ashish, I am sure, YAHOO Groups would be proud of you too, in having such a learned member like you, openly abusing anyone in a yahoo group, to be a moderator, of one their groups.


--- In rti_india-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965 <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Dear RTI India group members
>
> In continuation of the previous directive, I have also decided that members
> of
> the "National RTI Forum" are ineligible to be members of this group in terms
> of the original charter and as amended from time to time.
> http://groups.google.com/group/national-rti-forum/
>
> Ashish
> moderator
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:50 AM, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965 <at> ...>wrote:

>
> > Dear RTI_India group members
> >
> > To better uplift the level of discourse on this group, I have decided that
> > persons who are
> >
> > a) working committee members of the N.C.P.R.I
> > http://www.righttoinformation.info/member_working.htm
> >
> > b) life members of the N.C.P.R.I
> > http://www.righttoinformation.info/member_life.htm
> >
> > c) campaign committee members of the N.C.P.R.I
> > http://www.righttoinformation.info/member_campaign.htm
> >
> > were ineligble to be members of this group.
> > They are requested to kindly unsubscribe themselves
> > as soon as possible..
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:41 PM, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965 <at> ...>wrote:

> >
> >> Dear Shri Raghy Rao
> >>
> >> 1. I am not an RTI activist, nor do I describe myself by such appellation.
> >> 2.You are hereby weeded out from this group..
> >>
> >> With best wishes.
> >>
> >> Ashish
> >> Moderator.
> >>
> >>
> >
>



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sarbajitr | 1 Oct 11:07 2010
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Re: Weeding Trash

 

I dont think that Shailesh Gandhi is (or ever was) a member of this group. Now that you have access to the groups membership lists you can confirm this. Secondly, your strategy to get people to unsubscribe themselves is obviously not working. In fact the group is still growing and has added 3 members since you took over.

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965 <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sh Santoshi
>
> You have properly reached the heart of the matter.
> We are the defenders of democracy and free speech.
> Democracy is not the same thing as mob-o-cracy.
>
> The reason I do not want persons from NGOs on this group are manifold.
>
> Firstly, this is an interface group for citizens and public servants
> concerning the RTI.
> Although we are on different sides of the "RTI divide" we jointly believe
> that RTI if
> used "responsibly" can deliver all information which citizens are entitled
> to. There is
> also a substantial section of "babudom" which wants accountability and
> transparency, we
> believe that RTI Act is one of the ways to ensure this.
>
> Secondly, we are of the view that NGOs are not citizens. As a recent CIC
> minutes of meeting (07.09.2010) records, the shrill clamor of a few
> motivated persons cannot be treated as the rational voice of the world when
> it comes to RTI and associated matters. Mr Shailesh Gandhi has openly
> disgreed with that view, so it is equally open to him and his NCPRI friends
> to leave this group. As you say, there are many other RTI yahoogroups - the
> bulk of which have
> no credibility or discipline.
>
> Ashish
> Moderator
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Sanjeev Santoshi <sanjscot <at> ...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Friends
> >
> > I'm member of 8 RTI yahoogroups for India, many of which I have stopped
> > reading. This group is definitely the best one for many reasons.
> >
> > # messages are displayed immediately
> >
> > # hardly any spam and junk emails not related to RTI. (somebody can explain
> > why people assume that just because I am interested in knowing about RTI
> > means I am interested in also knowing about every other problem of India).
> >
> > # dont have to get mails from "Urvashi Sharma", "Nutan / Amitabh Thakur",
> > "C K Rejimon", "Krishnaraj Rao" and so many others. I'm specially happy that
> > I dont receive 50 emails daily from "Vishal Kudchadkar" cut and pasted from
> > news feeds.
> >
> > I support the moderators (whoever they are) if they can keep this group
> > clean and focussed on RTI. Of course the language used must be civilized and
> > decent, and it is expected that moderators must explain the reasons for
> > their actions instead of posting cryptic one liners.
> >
> > yours faithfully
> > Sanjeev Santoshi
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:16 PM, nilkanth12345 <nilkanth12345 <at> ...
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Ashish,
> >>
> >> We must kick all members, out from this group, by issuing such sudden
> >> directives, or on some pretext or another. After all, the main intention of
> >> this group, should be focussed on abusing and kicking out members, instead
> >> of discussing RTI issues.
> >>
> >> I am sure, another member would soon complain against u too, to YAHOO for
> >> misusing using your powers, as a moderator.
> >>
> >> In the meanwhile, keep up your good work. I am sure, plenty of other
> >> members, would also be proud of Ashish and support your good work, on using
> >> a yahoo group, to satisy personal/ ego issues.
> >>
> >> Ashish, I am sure, YAHOO Groups would be proud of you too, in having such
> >> a learned member like you, openly abusing anyone in a yahoo group, to be a
> >> moderator, of one their groups.
> >>
> >> --- In rti_india-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org <rti_india%40yahoogroups.com>, ashish
> >> kr1965 <ashishkr1965 <at> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear RTI India group members
> >> >
> >> > In continuation of the previous directive, I have also decided that
> >> members
> >> > of
> >> > the "National RTI Forum" are ineligible to be members of this group in
> >> terms
> >> > of the original charter and as amended from time to time.
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/national-rti-forum/
> >> >
> >> > Ashish
> >> > moderator
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:50 AM, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965 <at> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > > Dear RTI_India group members
> >> > >
> >> > > To better uplift the level of discourse on this group, I have decided
> >> that
> >> > > persons who are
> >> > >
> >> > > a) working committee members of the N.C.P.R.I
> >> > > http://www.righttoinformation.info/member_working.htm
> >> > >
> >> > > b) life members of the N.C.P.R.I
> >> > > http://www.righttoinformation.info/member_life.htm
> >> > >
> >> > > c) campaign committee members of the N.C.P.R.I
> >> > > http://www.righttoinformation.info/member_campaign.htm
> >> > >
> >> > > were ineligble to be members of this group.
> >> > > They are requested to kindly unsubscribe themselves
> >> > > as soon as possible..
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:41 PM, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965 <at>
> >> ...>wrote:
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > >> Dear Shri Raghy Rao
> >> > >>
> >> > >> 1. I am not an RTI activist, nor do I describe myself by such
> >> appellation.
> >> > >> 2.You are hereby weeded out from this group..
> >> > >>
> >> > >> With best wishes.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Ashish
> >> > >> Moderator.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

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sarbajitr | 1 Oct 11:11 2010
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Re: NDTV: Ansari to be CIC in December

 

Kindly read the definition of "year" in the General Clauses Act which is applicable to all laws enacted after 1890+

Incidentally MMA's dob is 1952, and the other 2 CICs retired on age grounds.

CIC website also now reflects photo of ANT as CIC.

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com, binu peter <binupeterdelhi <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Sir,
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
> Provided further that where the Information Commissioner is appointed as the Chief Information Commissioner, his term of office shall not be more than five years in aggregate as the Information Commissioner and the Chief Information Commissioner.
>
> --- On Thu, 9/30/10, sarbajitr <sroy1947 <at> ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: sarbajitr <sroy1947 <at> ...>
> Subject: [rti_india] NDTV: Ansari to be CIC in December
> To: rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 10:41 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/an-tiwari-to-replace-wajahat-habibullah-as-the-new-cic-55831
>
> "Ansari is currently an information commissioner in the Central Information Commission. He will be sworn in as the CIC after December this year when he retires."
>
> Comment:
> No wonder NDTV sponsors the RTI awards dished out by another bunch of retards.
>
> Sarbajit
>

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Ramnarayan.K | 1 Oct 14:52 2010
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Re: Weeding Trash

 



On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:40 PM, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
the "National RTI Forum" are ineligible to be members of this group in terms
of the original charter and as amended from time to time.
http://groups.google.com/group/national-rti-forum/

Ashish
moderator

Ah catch 22 - only a member of the google group can access the "original charter" so as far as i am concerned its gobbledegook.

Further more why should the charter of another list be applicable on this list

Maybe its time for a new RTI  list - Right to Infighting

For the second time but  in this case for very specious administering i am ubsubscribing from this list.

For those who want to unsubscribe without letting the whole list know there is an un subscribe option at the bottom right of every list mail

ram
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Santosh P. Nargund | 1 Oct 16:30 2010
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Fw: Glimpes of seva works 2010: Bharat Uday karmayogi ashram [1 Attachment]

 
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Friends / Comrades,
 
Excellent work by our comrades led by Ravikant bhai. You must read the attached report for the pure selfless effort that our comrades have been putting. These efforts are unmistakaby strong foundations for a BIG revolution.
 
To contribute to this effort in any way (mind, money, material, labour,...) write to me or Ravikant bhai.
  
Jai Hind! 
Santosh P. Nargund
 Rashtrotthan Sankalp    
Evil Triumphs When Good People Sit Quiet
www.rastr.in     Cell: 9916135836
 
Either you're with us or with the evil forces.
 


--- On Sun, 26/9/10, Ravi Kant Pathak <ravikantpathak <at> gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ravi Kant Pathak <ravikantpathak-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Glimpes of seva works 2010: Bharat Uday karmayogi ashram
Date: Sunday, 26 September, 2010, 6:26 PM

Beloved Brethren,
vandemaatram!

I hope you find this email in sound health and spirit. After a three
months of rigorous work on the ground in the Ashram, I am back on the
professional front. Thus I am finding time to write.I am writing this
email from Sweden. In last three months in India, I have been quite
occupied with ground work. We have been working almost 15 to 20 hrs
everyday on average in the most
unfavorable conditions of weather (hot 40-50oC and humid). With that
we have put a foundation stone of a Gurukul (residential school for
children);  A 100 beegha (40 acres) new piece of land has been
obtained and we have initiated the work to build entire campus from
scratch. This has inspired many people and slowly a team of dozens of
people worked to the cause tirelessly and that too without any
salaries and perks... people were happy and joyous. There has been
some coverage of our work in the news papers and a news wave was
created around. I have summarized the major work drives and event in
the attached file. Those who have time please go through it, and those
do not have time, even they also go through it:)

please le know how you feel:) Jai Hind

Truthfully;
Ravi
¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤
Dr. Ravi Kant Pathak, PhD
Department of Chemistry, Atmospheric Sciences
University of Gothenburg, Kemigarden 4,
SE41296 Gothenburg, Sweden
phone: 46-766229075 (Office);
          46-720195613 (Cell)
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Manoj Pai | 1 Oct 17:43 2010
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Cause List of C-CIC AN Tiwari

 

Why does some one check the Cause List of the various appeals and complains scheduled to be heard by the C-CIC AN Tiwari this month?

Check link

http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_gov/cic_gov_cause_list.php#aticrti

Between 4th and 29th October, he has no less than 155 hearing scheduled with a majority of them through Video Conference. Though IC Shailesh Gandhi outnumbers with a tally of 290 hearings for the same period.

What might surprise you is that the name of Wajahat continues to appear on the results of the cause list for any period.

Best wishes

Manoj Pai

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