Victor Cooper | 1 Nov 2009 02:19
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IN HOW MANY WAYS DO I DENY THEE JUSTICE

 

HOW and in HOW MANY WAYS DO I DENY THEE JUSTICE

 

 

1.     I deny thee justice because I take 10 even 20 years to hear a case;

 

2.     I deny thee justice because I allow numerous adjournments on flimsy grounds adding to your misery;

 

3.     I deny thee justice because I grant only measly Rs. 500 or so for adjournments, when your advocate may cost you Rs. 1, 5, even 50,000 for his appearance;

 

4.     I deny thee justice because I am of long-winding procedure rather than of relief;

 

5.     I deny thee justice because even though you fought and won your case after a struggle of 10/20/30 years that drained you and your family of mental, physical and financial resources, I am pleased to award you “costs” only of Rs 1,000;  Rs 5,000 if you are lucky, and Rs 25,000 or a little more if you are really, really lucky.  My logic is simple and straightforward:  that poor fellow who is in the wrong must not be burdened with real costs, because you who are in the right must bear the consequences for having brought the culprit to book.  So what if full costs are not awarded there will be no deterrent for wrong doing?

 

6.     I deny thee justice because as I will be pleased to award only measly amounts as costs that will be, maybe, 1/10th of actual costs incurred by you over, say 5 or 10 years, most of you will be disheartened and will not seek “justice” because you will not even be able to recover your costs and expenses and you will undergo a whole lot of unrecoverable physical, mental and financial trauma.

 

7.     I deny thee justice because even if I am pleased to award punitive costs / damages, the amount will typically be nominal at Rs 2,000, maybe 10,000 if you are lucky …..  So what if even a puppy may today cost Rs 50,000 or 2.0 lacs?  So what if heavy damages are not awarded, there will be no disincentive for wrong doing?

 

8.     I deny thee justice because I am typically saddled with upto 30, 40 even 50 cases each day.  This translates into maybe 3 minutes per case.  Can one really be expected to understand and grasp the nuisances of a matter in that little time, and be able to hand out sound reasoned orders?

 

9.     I deny thee justice because I am only a reflection of society at large.

 

10.                        I deny thee justice because there really is no transparent, effective or efficient mechanism to handle grievances against me.


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acf Anand | 1 Nov 2009 03:01
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No need to furnish income certificates

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hubli/No-need-to-furnish-income-certificates/articleshow/5165814.cms

`No need to furnish income certificates'TNN 26 October 2009, 10:54pm IST

HUBLI: K N Desai, joint director (education), has clarified that SC/ ST candidates need not furnish income
certificates during admissions to 
 Anand S.professsional courses. 

Replying to an RTI application filed by Y A Doddamani of Karnataka Shikshana Mattu Samshodana
Pratishthana, Desai said that neither the education department nor the medical education department
has issued any order in the last 10 years, asking the SC/ST candidates selected through Common Entrance
Tests (CET) to submit caste certificates during admissions to medical courses. 

Doddamani had sought the information in view of several medical and engineering colleges insisting SC/ ST
students to submit income certificates to avail of benefits.

He said the need of income certificate for SC/ ST candidates will not arise as they do not come under the
creamy layer. Even several apex court judgments have clarified the same. 

Anti Corruption Form
Bangalore 560 085
Cell No: +91-92410-12730
or +91-98450-39699

      
acf Anand | 1 Nov 2009 04:22
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Re: Re: SIC disposed off appeal whereas PIO admits the information is not provided

 

Sorry to interrupt. If the information is available in Punjabi it will be provided by PIO a photocopy or certified copy. How can he translate it to English. Information is records. It is not replies to questions.
 
Anand S.
Anti Corruption Form
Bangalore 560 085
Cell No: +91-92410-12730
or +91-98450-39699


From: rajneesh madhok <rajneesh_madhok <at> yahoo.com>
To: rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 11:23:19 PM
Subject: [rti_india] Re: SIC disposed off appeal whereas PIO admits the information is not provided

 

Sir,
In Punjab when we file application in English language the reply received is in Punjabi language and on the date of second hearing we have to provide the evidence of RTI application to SIC once in English and Punjabi language. It is a very tedious matter which can not be solved. Rather the IC don't listen to the pleadings of the information seeker that as per RTI it is manadatory to reply in the language in which the information has been sought.
Regards,
Rajneesh

--- In rti_india <at> yahoogrou ps.com, "sroy1947" <sroy1947 <at> .. .> wrote:
>
> Dear Rajneesh
>
> When you are applying in English language, why are they
> replying to you in Hindi, Japanese and Romanised Hindi?
>
> BTW: The employee has given you very good advice - "When work is
> to be done by the Peon why are you complaining to President of
> India ?"
>
> Sarbajit
>
> --- In rti_india <at> yahoogrou ps.com, rajneesh madhok <rajneesh_madhok <at> > wrote:
> >
> > Appeal disposed off by Information commissioner whereas the PIO himself admit that the information has not been provided.
> >
> >
> >
> > рд╕реЗрд╡рд╛ рдореЗрдВ,
> > рдорд╛рдиреНрдпрд╡рд░ рд░рд╛рдЬреНрдп рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рдЖрдпреЛрдЧ,
> > рдРрд╕ рд╕реА рд"
> > рдирдВ: 84-95
> > рд╕реИрдХреНрдЯрд░-17 рд╕реА рдЪрдВрдбреАрдЧреЭ
> > рдкрддреНрд░ рдирдВ: рдЕтАНреЕрдкреНрд│-01 рддрд┐рдереА 27-10-08
> > рд╡рд┐рд╖рдп:
> > рдР.рд╕реА. 649/2009 (рд╕реА.рд╕реА.-2072/2009)
> > рд╣рд╡рд╛рд▓рд╛: рдЙрдХреНрдд рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрдп рдкрд░ рдЖрдк рдЬреА рдХрд╛ рд╣реБрдХреНрдо рддрд┐рдереА
> > 14-09-2009
> > рдЙрдкрд░реЛрдХреНрдд рд╡рд┐рд╖реНрдп рдХреЗ рд╕рдмрдВрдз рдореЗрдВ рд╡рд┐рдирдпрдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рдмреАрд╕ рдиреБрдХреНрддреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рд╕рдмрдВрдз рдореЗрдВ рдиреАрдЪреЗ
> > рд▓рд┐рдЦреЗ рдЕрдиреБрд╕рд╛рд░ рд╡рд┐рдирддреА рдХрд┐ рдЬрд╛рддреА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐:-
> > 1.┬ ┬ рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рджреЗ рджреА рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ!
> > 2.┬ ┬ рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рджреЗ рджреА
> > рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ!
> > 3.┬ ┬ рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рджреЗ рджреА рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ рдЗрдВрд╕реНрдкреИрдХрд╢рди рд░рд┐рдкреЛрд░реНрдЯ рдЙрдкрд▓рдмреНрдз рдирд╣рд┐рдВ рд╣реИ!
> > 4.┬ ┬ рд╕реВрдЪрди
> > рджреЗ рджреА рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ
> > 5.┬ ┬ рд╕реВрдЪрдВрдирд╛ рджреЗ рджреА рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ!
> > 6.┬ ┬ рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рджреЗ рджреА рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ!
> > 7. рд╡рд┐рдирдп
> > рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЛ рдирд┐рд░реНрдзрд╛рд░рд┐рдд рдлреАрд╕ рдЬрдорд╛ рдХрд░рд╡рд╛рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рд▓рд┐рдЦрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдкрд░ рдирд┐рд░реНрдзрд╛рд░рд┐рдд рдлреАрд╕ рдЬрдорд╛ рдирд╛ рдХрд░рд╡рд╛рдиреЗ
> > рдХрд╛рд░рдг рд╣реА рдЕрднреА рддрдХ реЮреЛрдЯреЛ-рдХрд╛рдкреАрдпрдВ рдЙрдкрд▓реНрдмреНрдз рдирд╣рд┐рдВ рдХрд░рд╡рд╛рдИ рдЬрд╛ рд╕рдХрд┐рдВ!
> > My Comments: The PIO has not replied within 30
> > days, the stipulated time. The reply had been received after 40 days of
> > application. So, due to non reply of the application the request had been made
> > to FAA and SIC that the information kindly be provided free of cost as per Sec
> > 7(6) of RTI Act.
> > 8.┬ ┬ рд╡рд┐рдирдп рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЛ рджрдлреНрддрд░ рдмреБрд▓рд╛рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдкрд░ рд╡рд╣ рд╣рд╛рдЬрд┐рд░ рдирд╣рд┐рдВ рд╣реБрдЖ1 рдЗрд╕
> > рдХрд╛рд░рдг рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рдЙрдкрд▓рдмреНрдз рдирд╣рд┐рдВ рдХрд░рд╡рд╛рдИ рдЬрд╛ рд╕рдХреА!
> > My comments: On repeated requests the PIO failed to
> > provide the documents. The complainant reported to the notice of FAA and in the
> > order of FAA it has been written that appellant has reported to the office.
> >
> > 9.┬ ┬ рд▓реЬреА рдирдВ: 9 рд╕реЗ 15 рддрдХ рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рд╡рд┐рдирдпрдХрд╛рд░ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рд╕реЬреНрдХреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рд╡рд┐рд╡рд░рдг рдирд╛ рджреЗрдиреЗ рдХрд╛рд░рдг рд╣реА
> > рдЙрдкрд▓рдмреНрдз рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░рд╡рд╛рдИ рдЬрд╛ рд╕рдХреА рдЬреА!
> > My comments: When in the RTI application it is
> > specified everything. The PIO is making this or that excuse.
> > 10┬ ┬ рд▓реЬреА рдирдВ: 16
> > рд"рд░ 17 рдХреА рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рдЗрд╕ рдХрд╛рд░рдг рдЙрдкреНрд▓рдмреНрдз рдирд╣рд┐рдВ рдХрд░рдИ рдЬрд╛ рд╕рдХреА рдХреНрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рд╡рд┐рдирдп рдХрд╛рд░ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рдорд╛рдВрдЧ рдХрд░рдиреЗ
> > рдкрд░ рджреА рдЧрдИ рддрд┐рдереА рд"рд░ рд╕рдордп рдкрд░ рд╡рд┐рдирдпрдХрд╛рд░ рдЦрд╝реБрдж рджрдлрддрд░ рд╣рд╛рдЬрд┐рд░ рдирд╣рд┐рдВ рд╣реБрдЖ!
> > My comments: The lette received on 18th oct 2009 to
> > report on 21st Oct 2009. The complaint replied by Registered Post on 19th Oct
> > 2009 that the documents pertaining to inspection has not been delivered so far.
> > So, the inspection can not be done. Kindly submit the documents at the earliest.
> > The Registered letter has been sent because in Muncipal Council Dak Receipt
> > section no body give acknowledgement of the receipt of the dak.
> > 11.┬ ┬ рдмрд╛рд░-2
> > рд▓рд┐рдЦрдиреЗ рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рд╡рдЬреВрдж рднреА рд╡рд┐рдирдпреНрдХрд╛рд░ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рдпрд╣ рд╕реНрдкреНрд╖реНрдЯ рдирд╣рд┐рдВ рдХрд░рд╛рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЙрд╕ рдХреЛ рдХрд┐рд╕ рд╕рд╛рд▓ рдХреЗ
> > рд"рд░ рдХрд┐рд╕ рдорд╣реАрдиреЗ рдХреЗ рдбрд┐рд╕реНрдкреИрдЪ рд░рдЬрд┐рд╕реНрдЯрд░ рдХреА рдХрд╛рдкреАрдпрд╛рдВ рдЪрд╣рд┐рдП рд╣реИрдВ!
> > My comments: In the application everything is
> > mentioned which documents are requiered. The PIO's query is baseless.
> > 12.
> > рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рджреЗ рджреА рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ!
> > 13. рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рджреЗ рджреА рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ!
> > ┬ ┬ рдЙрдкрд░реЛрдХреНрдд рдХреЛ рдореБрдЦреНрдп рд░рдЦрддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рдЖрдк
> > рдЬреА рдХреЛ рдмрд┐рдирддреА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЙрдкреНрд▓реНрдмреНрдз рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рд╡рд┐рдирдпрдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЛ рджреЗ рджреА рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ! рдЬреЛ рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рд╡рд┐рдирдпрдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЛ
> > рдирд╣реАрдВ рджреА рдЬрд╛ рд╕рдХреА, рдЙрд╕ рд▓рд┐рдП рд╡рд┐рдирдпрдХрд╛рд░ рдЦрд╝реБрдж рдЬрд┐рдореНрдореЗрд╡рд╛рд░ рд╣реИ! рдЗрд╕ рд▓рд┐рдП рдЖрдк рдЬреА рдХреЛ рд╡рд┐рдирддреА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐
> > рдХреЗрд╕ рдХреЛ рдЦрд╛рд░рд┐рдЬ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреА рдХреГрдкрд╛ рдХреА рдЬрд╛рдП рдЬреА!
> > рд▓реЛрдХ рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рдЕрдзрд┐рдХрд╛рд░реА
> > рдирдЧрд░ рдХреМрдВрд╕рд┐рд▓
> > рдлрдЧрд╡рд╛реЬрд╛
> >
> >
> >
> > On 27th Oct 2009 there was the hearing in the court
> > of S. Surinder Singh Information Commissioner. The PIO submitted the above
> > mentioned reply in the court of the┬ SIC, He was not delivering the copy of this
> > letter, on my repeated assistance I requested to the IC to deliver the copy of
> > the letter submitted by PIO then the Commissioner agreed┬ and┬ asked┬ the PIO to
> > deliver me the copy. He was reluctant to give that copy and was saying that Sir,
> > it is for SIC the complainant has no right to receive the copy of my reply.
> > Anyhow with my pleadings I got that . ┬ The Points to be noted.
> > When I submitted the reply made by the PIO to the
> > SIC and pleaded that the PIO is asking which information is required by you. The
> > IC don't listen to my pleadings and turned to PIO.
> > PIO said that the complainant had called in the
> > office to get the inspection done. But he did not report. On that point the IC
> > kept on shouting at me that when you have confirmed the dates like 7th Oct, 14th
> > Oct and 21st Oct then why don't you go to the office to conduct inspection. When
> > I tried to specify my point he did not listen to my clarification and again
> > shouted Stop it. It's all and he directed the case should be disposed off.
> > Information Commissioner said there is no such provision of inspection in RTI.
> > No need to do inspection,
> > Information commissioner┬ directed me to get the
> > sample at your own. Call the concerned officials for sealing of the sample and
> > get it tested from the laboratory at your expense.
> > The Information commissioner did not hear and
> > disposed off the case without providing informations while shouting.
> >
> > My clarifications are as under:
> > 2.1┬ ┬ On 18th Oct 2009 I received the letter from
> > Public Information Officer to come to the office on 21st Oct 2009 to get the
> > samples of the roads. The same day i.e. on 18th Oct 2009 the complainant written
> > letter to the PIO and posted on 19th oct 2009 vide Registered letter through
> > Post Master Phagwara that as per my request you have not delivered the documents
> > pertaining to the inspection. So, kindly deliver the documents regarding tender
> > documents, work orders and the tender passed from this place to that place the
> > inspection could not be made.┬ But the Information commissioner did not listen to
> > my pleadings and keep on saying that the case should be disposed off.
> >
> > 3.┬ ┬ While shouting the Commissioner said in the
> > court that Do you need the documents pertaining to one contractor or all of the
> > contractors of Phagwara municipal council.
> > ┬ ┬ 3.1.┬ ┬ I said the contactor of Nehru Nagar ward.
> >
> > ┬ ┬ ┬ 3.2.┬ ┬ Then again the
> > Commissioner shouted and said that the contractor might have not done your work.
> > So, that you are demanding the information with regard to that contractor.
> >
> > My comments:
> > ┬ ┬ 1┬ I don't know who has
> > done the developement works of Nehru Nagar Ward.
> > ┬ ┬ ┬ 2. In my whole life I have never
> > met with not this contractor but not a single contractor of Phagwara Muncipal
> > Council. I don't know who are the contractors of Phagwara Muncipal
> > Council.
> > ┬ ┬ 3.┬ ┬ What type of work the
> > contractor had not done for me┬ which the commissioner shouted. I am only the
> > resident of Nehru Nagar locality. The road has been laid down by the concerned
> > labour. I have not met contractor or the concerned labour during and after the
> > works even.
> > ┬ ┬ 4.┬ ┬ The PIO seconded the version
> > of Commissioner that the Contractor has not done his job. Yes it is correct
> > version.
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > Rajneesh Madhok,
> > B-xxx/63, Nehru nagar,
> > St. No. 2, Railway Road,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Honourable friends,
> > Regards,
> > Kindly look in to the reply received by
> > Municipal Council, Phagwara.
> > Today in the meeting the E.O. was asking me
> > leave the RTI. What problems you are facing we can solve those
> > problems.
> > I said whatever the problems I am facing I
> > have made complaints about the leakage from the house of neigbour. Due to the
> > floor trap leakage we have made several complaints to you under Speed post but
> > no action has been taken.
> > He said we will solve this problem. We will
> > inspect the location and will serve notice to the opposite party. He will get
> > the job done.
> > I said this is my constitutional right to
> > get information. I m not getting any favour from you.
> >
> > Last time when I visited Muncipal council
> > office. Then the Muncipal Engineer said. Madhok ji, you complain to the
> > President of India. The application is being marked from her office. Come to the
> > Peon of Muncipal Council and like wise return to President. What is the fun to
> > write to president. Whether any job can be done with the intervention of
> > President.
> > ┬
> > Application for information under Rti act 2005
> > Aaj mujhe reply milla. Woh aise
> > hai.
> > Shahar mein development ke daam budget
> > provision ko mukya rakhte hue sambandhit area ka mouka dekhne ke baad takhmina
> > (project) tayar karke aur phir in takhmino ko nagar council dwara house mein
> > paas karwane ujprant tender ki kriya poori hone par karwaye jate hain.
> >
> > ┬
> > I Rajneesh Madhok a citizen of India, request you to
> > kindly provide me the following information under the Right to information act,
> > 2005
> > Please inform me the
> > name, designation address, office telephone number of the officer of the
> > Phagwara Municipal Council, who is responsible for the maintenance of Roads
> > located in Ward No. 16 the area called Nehru nagar in the locality of Railway
> > Road of Phagwara town.
> > Municipal committee mein
> > kisi bhi ward mein development ke kaam Municipal Engineer, Sahayak Muncipal
> > Engr, Bhag adhikari (Civil) means Section officer, Bhag adhikari (Mechanical) ki
> > dekh rekh mein karewaye jate hain yeh adhikari prantikarn asamiyon (niyuktiyon)
> > (State appointments) ke hote hain aur in ki badliyan hoti rahti hain. Is samein
> > in niyuktiyon par tainat adhikariyon ka vivran niman likhat anusar
> > hai.
> > Sh. Sukdev
> > Singh, Municipal Engineer┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬
> > Ph: 01824-260426
> > Sh.
> > Harpreet Singh, Sahayak Muncipal Engr.
> > Sh. Sukhdev
> > Singh, Bhag adhikari (Civil)
> > Sh. Jaspal,
> > Bhag Adhikari (Civil)
> > Sh. Dinesh
> > Uppal, Bhag Adhikari (Mechanical)
> > How often and with
> > what frequency is the above mentioned officer supposed to carry out in-site
> > inspection of the roads and check their condition?
> > Field work dauran pahle
> > kiye kaamon ko check kar liya jata hai.
> > (a)When was the last
> > date┬ and time when the officer supposed
> > to carry out in site inspection of the roads and check their
> > condition?
> > (b) Please provide me with
> > a certified copy of the inspection report made by the officer after the┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ inspection carried out by him during
> > the last visit to Nehru Nagar area.
> > (C)┬ Please provide me with a certified copy of
> > the Action taken report based on the inspection report mae by the officer after
> > inspecting the roads in Nehru Nagar area.┬
> >
> > Nehru nagar mein mahina
> > 6/2009 mein inspection ki gayi, jo mouke par kayi trutiyan thi, who inspection
> > dauran thekedar ko saath le kar door karwa di gayi hain.
> > Please give a list
> > of all the works related to improvement of roads and streets carried out in this
> > area during the period from 6/5/2004 to 6/5/2009
> > Yeh record takriban paanch
> > saal purana hai. Is liye is record ko dhoondhne ke liye kam se kam 21 din ka
> > samay chahiye hai. Is mein record milne par aap ko de diya
> > jayega.
> > How many times have
> > repairs (both minor and major) have been carried out on each road and street in
> > this area?
> > For each repair work, the list should
> > contain
> > a.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ the
> > length of the street or the road repaired and identify the starting and the
> > ending point by house numbers or other methods
> > b.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ exact
> > location of spots where the work was carried out
> > c.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ name of
> > the work
> > d.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ work order
> > no.
> > e.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ length of
> > repair
> > f.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ average
> > width of repair
> > g.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ method of
> > repair
> > h.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ what was
> > the composition of repair
> > i.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ actual
> > date of start
> > j.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ actual
> > date of completion
> > k.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ amount
> > paid or payable
> > l.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ status
> > of work
> > m.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ name of the
> > contractor
> > n.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ mode of
> > improvement of that road or street
> > Col 5 ke sare points record
> > se sambandhit hain, is liye yeh record milne par diya ja sakta hai.
> >
> > ┬ If the work was done departmentally, please
> > also provide the following information:
> > Copy of relevant portion of stock register
> >
> > Copy of relevant portion of labour
> > register
> > Yeh kaam thekedar se karwaye jate hain.
> >
> > If the work was done
> > through a contractor, please also provide the following
> > information:
> > a.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ Copy of
> > the contract and other document outlining terms and conditions
> > b.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ Copy of
> > measurement book (both abstract entries & record entries)
> > c.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ Copy of
> > sketch
> > d.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ Copy of
> > details of estimates
> > e.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ Names of
> > the Assistant Engineer and the Executive Engineer who inspected each of these
> > works and passed payments.
> > f.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬
> > Which┬
> > portions of these works which were inspected by them.
> > g.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ If there
> > was any guarantee clause in the contract, please state if it was invoked till
> > now. If no, please state reasons in spite of the fact that the roads are in such
> > bad condition.
> > h.┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ Has the
> > guarantee clause been invoked till now? If no, why in spite of the fact that the
> > roads are in such bad condition.
> > Is col ke sare point record
> > se sambandhit hain. Is liye yeh record mone par diya ja sakta hai.
> >
> > After you have
> > prepared the above information, I would like to inspect your measurement books
> > and work order registers related to these works to ensure that you have given
> > complete information. Please let me know 3 separate dates and times so that I
> > may choose one and advise you accordingly. Please also state the venue where I
> > can come for inspection.
> > Nagar council ki ijajat ke
> > bina in kamo ki inspection nahin karwayi ja sakti.
> > The roads are
> > totally broken these days. Please give specific reasons for the bad condition of
> > each of these roads separately.
> > Name of the road┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬
> > Starting and ending point┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬
> > ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ Reason for poor
> > condition.
> > In sadko ki detail batayi jaye ta ki in
> > ki inspection ki ja sake.
> > If any of the roads
> > is broken due to water staying on the road, please intimate whether it is due to
> > wrong camber or due to clogged drains?
> > In sadko ki detail prapat
> > hone par hi bataya ja sakta hai.
> > If it is due to
> > wrong camber, please state the reasons for passing the payment.
> >
> > Yeh bhi sadko ki detail
> > prapat hone par hi bataya ja sakta hai.
> > Please state what
> > action is due against the engineer who inspected the road and let it pass like
> > this.
> > Sadko ki location pata
> > karne par hi bataya ja sakta hai. Yeh point 9 se sambandhit
> > hai.
> > If it is due to
> > clogged drain, please provide the following information from the concerned
> > department which dealt with it:
> > Dates when these drains were cleaned during the stated
> > period.
> > Give copy of the measurement book of the cleaning
> > carried out.
> > Provide the names of the officials who inspected and
> > passed the payments.
> > This means that these officials did not do their job
> > properly. Their inaction has caused so much loss to the exchequer and much
> > inconvenience to the public. They are also guilty of criminal misconduct under
> > section 13(1)(d) of the Prevention of corruption Act. Please state what action
> > is due against them.
> > Yeh sankhya no. 9 ka jawab
> > milne par hi bataya ja sakta hai. ( Point A se le kar D tak)
> > The fact that these
> > roads have broken shows that very bad material has been used in the
> > roads.
> > Please state if you have made any enquiries to ascertain
> > the quality of the roads.
> > Please state the outcome of the enquiries along with a
> > copy of the enquiry report and all documents upon which such report is
> > based.
> > Please state if any responsibilities have been
> > fixed.
> > Please state the date of start and date of completion of
> > each enquiry.
> > Yeh karmank no. 9 se
> > sambandhit hai.
> > The payments appear
> > to have been made fraudulently and the inspection carried out by the engineers
> > was faulty. Please state what enquiries are due to against the engineers who
> > passed the payments and did faulty inspection.
> > Yeh karmank no. 9 se
> > sambandhit hai.
> > I want to take
> > sample of material of each of these roads from five different places of my
> > choice under section 2(j)(iii) of the Right to Information Act, 2005. The
> > samples should be collected in my presence and should be sealed and certified.
> > Please intimate me 3 separate dates and times so that I may choose one and
> > advise you accordingly. Please also advise me the venue where I should come and
> > who I should meet to start the exercise.
> > Yeh bhi karmank no. 9 se
> > sambandhit hai.
> > I would also like to
> > take digital pictures of the roads mentioned above. When I am inspecting the
> > roads along with your staff and engineers. Kindly inform your Engineers and
> > Staff accordingly.
> > Yeh bhi
> > karmank 9 se sambandhit hai
> > How many written or
> > verbal complaints has the Phagwara Municipal Council/ corporation received
> > regarding the poor conditions of Roads in the Nehru Nagar area?
> >
> > Please give me the follwing
> > information about each of the complaints:
> > : Date of
> > complaint.
> > : Daily progress of the
> > complaint received.
> > : Action taken on the
> > complaint received.
> > :┬ Date of reply given to the complainant and a
> > list of the reply.
> > Yeh record dekh ke bataya ja sakta hai.
> > Is liye yeh bina tarikh ke batana asambhav hai.
> > By what date can the
> > citizens living in Nehru Nagar, St. No. 2, areas expect the roads to be restored
> > to their original conditions and be made fit for normal driving.?
> >
> > Majooda samaya mein sadak
> > normal driving ke liye theek hai.
> > If the roads are not
> > restored to their original conditions by the date indicated in Item 19 above,
> > what action will be taken AND what penalties will be levied by Council against
> > the officers/ contractors/ agencies which do not restore the road on
> > time?
> > Yeh lagoo nahin hai.
> >
> > ┬
> > I am enclosing herewith an
> > IPO NO._________ _____ dated_______ ____ for application fee. For RTI
> > application.
> > I am willing to pay further
> > charges===== =====
> > Thanking you
> > Rajneesh
> >
> > The above mentioned was the application and reply received by me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ┬ ┬
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! India has a new look. Take a sneak peek http://in.yahoo. com/trynew
> >
>


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Rs 124 cr spent to fight swine flu
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In reply to an RTI filed by a local resident, the Union Health Ministry said an amount of Rs 123.89 crore has
been spent towards procuring ...

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RE: RTI: sound advise needed

 

I had seven 2nd appeal hearings before SIC mumbai shri Suresh Joshi
the order passed: "Decision to be taken" all over a year now, also
some complains u/s 18 over a year now,many tell me to put forth same to Governor C.J.Jamil , but i wonder if that will help, will Governor intervein or will he put it in the back Burner, what is the Governors Role in such a situation can he sack the SIC, your urgent advise would be much appreciated.

3 appeals i attended in May 2009 upto date order not passed by Suresh Joshi, his secretary tells me that it will be decided as there is some court matter?

3 orders passed by Ramanand Thiwari
penality of Rs 5000 x 3 = 15000,imposed, the PIO has not paid up, in fact he now claims that he was not the PIO but his junior was the PIO, his junior does not know to read and understand a english worded RTI application. where does the buck stop?

SIC;s are making a downright mockery of the RTI act?
after wasting so much of time and money is this what the applicant should get in return? if i demonstrate or go and confrunt Suresh Joshi surely he will call the Police and put me in on some false charges, this is his way of operation. upto date no penality imposed on any PIO of Police force for not providing information or giving vague replies? its like you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours,today most PIO's are not scared of the RTI act
as they know too well that they can get away some way or another.
what can a common man do? most just give up saying RTI bhakwas hai

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Objections/Suggestions re: proposed Model Real Estate Act

 

Objections / Suggestions re: proposed Model Real Estate (Regulation of Development) Act.

 

 

OBJECTIONS

 

1.     The proposed Act limits the scope and quantum of reliefs-remedies to a buyer of property to “….. interest at a rate not exceeding the current rate of interest.”  This proposed remedy is far less than what is already available under various other laws of the land, such as under the Consumer Protection Act where there is scope for damages and removal of all defects and deficiencies.

 

2.     The purchase of a property typically involves the investment of one’s life savings for shelter for one’s family, and prices of property rise with time.  Therefore, if a developer/builder defaults in his contractual obligations, the negative impact on the purchaser is devastating as in the meantime the prices of property might have gone up by 40, 50 or even 100%, which is not covered by payment of interest alone.  There is no provision for damages in the proposed Act to cover the consequences of breach of contract.  On the other hand, the builder would benefit by reselling the property at new and higher prices.

 

3.     There is no provision to compel a builder to transfer the title to a purchaser according to his choice by Sale Deed. 

 

 

SUGGESTIONS

 

1.     Prices of property often shoot up very sharply.  Therefore, in the event of breach of contract by the builder, the purchaser needs to be covered for  all losses (including opportunity cost).  There should be provision of, say 50% of consideration amount as damages to cover for increased property prices on the one hand, and payment of interest <at> say, 2% per month so the builder does not use a buyer’s money as a cheap source of funds.

 

2.     There should be provision to make a builder either provide an alternate similar property to the buyer + interest <at> 2% per month, OR refund of present market value of similar property + tax implications + interest <at> 2% per month.

3.     The builder should be compelled to transfer title to a buyer as per the buyer’s choice by way of Sale Deed within 30 days of having received full consideration for the property.

 

 

4.     In the event the concerned ministry is unable/unwilling to incorporate such suggestions, they should keep in abeyance this toothless piece of proposed legislation as it is detrimental to the interests of a purchaser of property, as reliefs already available to a purchaser of a property under other already existing laws (Consumer Protection Act, etc.) are much more.

 

 

 

 


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Anna Hazare, Aamir Khan want Kiran Bedi to hold top RTI job

Anna Hazare, Aamir Khan want Kiran Bedi to hold top RTI job
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Anna-Hazare-Aamir-Khan-want-Kiran-Bedi-to-hold-top-RTI-job-/articleshow/5185855.cms
Anil Singh, TNN 1 November 2009, 02:21pm IST
MUMBAI: Social activist Anna Hazare and a host of other eminent people have written to the Prime Minister
proposing the name of Kiran Bedi,  India's first woman IPS officer, for the job of chief central
information commissioner (CCIC). Following this, Right to Information (RTI) activists led by
Magsaysay award winner Arvind Kejriwal are rooting for her. 

Hazare has written to Manmohan Singh as well as Sonia Gandhi saying that Bedi be appointed CCIC as she has the
best credentials to be the person who will be demanding transparency in governance on behalf of a billion
Indians. "If you are appointing another person, please let us know how that person is more suitble than
Kiran Bedi,'' says the letter. 

Among the others who have written to the PM are actor Aamir Khan and Subhash Chandra of the Zee group. Several
other dignitaries, such as Narayana Murthy of Infosys, are to send their letters on Monday. 

"We have learnt that the government is appointing a person of its choice as CCIC in two days without the wide
consultation that is needed for it,'' said Kejriwal. 

Bedi, a national tennis champ, joined the Indian Police Service in 1972 and was acknowledged as a tough and
upright officer. She received the Magsaysay award in 1994 for her work in prison reforms as inspector
general of police in charge of Delhi's Tihar jail. Bedi opted for voluntary retirement in 2007 after being
bypassed for the post of 
Delhi police commissioner. She plays the host and chief judge in a popular TV series, "Aap ki Kutchehri",
where she resolves domestic problems. She also runs two non-government organisatons for prison
reforms, child welfare, and against drug abuse. 

The process of appointing central information commissioners has been opaque and concerned citizens and
RTI activists have been demanding a transparent and more participatory process. Generally,
bureaucrats close to the powers-that-be in Delhi are chosen. In fact, Kejriwal has been saying that the
Information Commission is in danger of becoming a parking ground for retired bureaucrats and political
loyalists. 

For the moment, Wajahat Habibullah will continue as CCIC till his successor is chosen. Appointed the first
CCIC of India in October 2005, Habibullah, a former bureaucrat, resigned recently and will take charge as
the first chief information commissioner of Jammu & Kashmir. 

The CCIC will be chosen by a three-member panel comprising the PM, the leader of the opposition (L K Advani)
and a cabinet minister nominated by the PM (Veerappa Moily). The post is on a par with the Election
Commissioner of India and the term is five years or up to the age of 65. The CIC can have a team of 10 central
information commissioners working under him/her. At present, there are eight, including Shailesh
Gandhi, who was Mumbai's best-known RTI activist. In fact, Gandhi is only one of the two non-bureaucrats
in the eight-member panel. The 
other non-bureaucrat is Annapurna Dixit, widow of former national security adviser J N Dixit. 

RTI activists say the current method of appointing the CCIC and state information commissioners, based on
insider information, contacts and recommendations, without advertising and inviting applications,
violates Section 12 of the RTI Act 2005. Section 12(5) states: “The Chief Information Commissioner and
Information Commissioners shall be persons of eminence in public life with wide knowledge and
experience in law, science and technology, social service, management, journalism, mass media or
administration and governance.” 

To give such people a fair chance to apply, RTI activists say, the government must cast its net far and wide,
all over India and in all walks of life. It must advertise the position, attract a good number of candidates
and select the best from among them with proper screening procedures. Handpicking people from a small
inner circle at DoPT, PMO and Central Information Commission, as it is doing now, is a sure way of defeating
excellence, nurturing mediocrity and protecting vested interests within the administration, say RTI
activists. 

Anna Hazare, Aamir Khan want Kiran Bedi to hold top RTI job 
Anil Singh | TNN 

MUMBAI: Social activist Anna Hazare and a host of other eminent people have written to the Prime Minister
proposing the name of Kiran Bedi, India's first woman IPS officer, for the job of chief central
information commissioner (CCIC). Following this, Right to Information (RTI) activists led by
Magsaysay award winner Arvind Kejriwal are rooting for her. 

Hazare has written to Manmohan Singh as well as Sonia Gandhi saying that Bedi be appointed CCIC as she has the
best credentials to be the person who will be demanding transparency in governance on behalf of a billion
Indians. "If you are appointing another person, please let us know how that person is more suitble than
Kiran Bedi,'' says the letter. 

Among the others who have written to the PM are actor Aamir Khan and Subhash Chandra of the Zee group. Several
other dignitaries, such as Narayana Murthy of Infosys, are to send their letters on Monday. 

"We have learnt that the government is appointing a person of its choice as CCIC in two days without the wide
consultation that is needed for it,'' said Kejriwal. 

Bedi, a national tennis champ, joined the Indian Police Service in 1972 and was acknowledged as a tough and
upright officer. She received the Magsaysay award in 1994 for her work in prison reforms as inspector
general of police in charge of Delhi's Tihar jail. Bedi opted for voluntary retirement in 2007 after being
bypassed for the post of 
Delhi police commissioner. She plays the host and chief judge in a popular TV series, "Aap ki Kutchehri",
where she resolves domestic problems. She also runs two non-government organisatons for prison
reforms, child welfare, and against drug abuse. 

The process of appointing central information commissioners has been opaque and concerned citizens and
RTI activists have been demanding a transparent and more participatory process. Generally,
bureaucrats close to the powers-that-be in Delhi are chosen. In fact, Kejriwal has been saying that the
Information Commission is in danger of becoming a parking ground for retired bureaucrats and political
loyalists. 

For the moment, Wajahat Habibullah will continue as CCIC till his successor is chosen. Appointed the first
CCIC of India in October 2005, Habibullah, a former bureaucrat, resigned recently and will take charge as
the first chief information commissioner of Jammu & Kashmir. 

The CCIC will be chosen by a three-member panel comprising the PM, the leader of the opposition (L K Advani)
and a cabinet minister nominated by the PM (Veerappa Moily). The post is on a par with the Election
Commissioner of India and the term is five years or up to the age of 65. The CIC can have a team of 10 central
information commissioners working under him/her. At present, there are eight, including Shailesh
Gandhi, who was Mumbai's best-known RTI activist. In fact, Gandhi is only one of the two non-bureaucrats
in the eight-member panel. The 
other non-bureaucrat is Annapurna Dixit, widow of former national security adviser J N Dixit. 

RTI activists say the current method of appointing the CCIC and state information commissioners, based on
insider information, contacts and recommendations, without advertising and inviting applications,
violates Section 12 of the RTI Act 2005. Section 12(5) states: “The Chief Information Commissioner and
Information Commissioners shall be persons of eminence in public life with wide knowledge and
experience in law, science and technology, social service, management, journalism, mass media or
administration and governance.” 

To give such people a fair chance to apply, RTI activists say, the government must cast its net far and wide,
all over India and in all walks of life. It must advertise the position, attract a good number of candidates
and select the best from among them with proper screening procedures. Handpicking people from a small
inner circle at DoPT, PMO and Central Information Commission, as it is doing now, is a sure way of defeating
excellence, nurturing mediocrity and protecting vested interests within the administration, say RTI activists.

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Just 25% funds spent for RTI publicity this year
Zee News
Last year too, the department did not use about 25 percent of the total Rs 10 crore allocated for propagation
of RTI Act, the transparency law which is ...  Anand S.
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Re: Voluntary Disclosure of Assets by the Lok Ayukta in Karnataka

 

With Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagara Palike, the maximum inquiries of RTI are concerned with the LP numbers. Hence the Town Planning Department is planning to put all LP numbers in the web site.
 
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From: Nicholas Santiago <nick.santiargo <at> yah oo.co.uk>
To: rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 12:38:14 AM
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Voluntary Disclosure of Assets by the Lok Ayukta in Karnataka

 

Hello

I would like to contribute to this debate.
My understanding of India's RTI Act is as follows:-

1) The Public Authorities publish as much as they care to (suo moto)
so that the public does not have to apply for information,

2) The citizens then apply for any missing / unlocated information.

In either case the Public Authority is not obliged to provide
information which is exempted.

As "cpiodelhi" has rightly observed, a) there is no reason /mandate
for any public authority to publish under case-1 above or b) to supply
it when applied for.

As someone who has been pursuing FoI for quite some time, I suggest
that activists should clearly distinguish the present reality and
their "wish lists".

Nick

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Venkatesh Nayak
<venkatesh <at> humanrigh tsinitiative. org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Mr./Ms. CPIODelhi,
> I have not claimed anywhere in my email that the RTI Act makes it mandatory for public servants to disclose their assets. The purpose of the email was to show that where a public servant occupying a position of command is positively inclined towards disclosure of assets related information, such ifnormation can be made publicly available even in the absence of a statutory obligation. I think when information is publicly available and when one is living within one's known sources of income, there need be no fear of the consequences of such disclosure. To the best of my knowledge no busybody has started any litigation against the officials of the Karnataka Lok Ayukta using their assets-related information from the website.
> However under the RTI Act the Central Information Commission has ruled against the disclosure of such information. Some Information Commissions have ruled on occasion that property statements of officers must be disclosed, but these have been stayed by the respective High Courts. This is where the matter stands I think. However readers may please correct me if I am wrong.
> Thanks
> Venkat
> ____________ _________ _________ __


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Assets and Liabilities of Cheif Justice of Kerala who hais from Karnataka [1 Attachment]

Dear Friends,

Find along with email statement of assets and Liabilities made by S. R. Bannurmath, Chief Justice of Kerala.
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