C K Jam | 25 Mar 04:28 2009
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Re: Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur Navi Mumbai

Dear Mr Ajay,

Immediately file a First Appeal with the FAA.
All information/documents related to employees which were considered by the PA to appoint them are disclosable under the RTI act.
This includes Educational Qualification certificates.
There are various CIC and some SIC orders on this subject.

RTIwanted.

From: ajay marathe <marathe.ajay <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [rti_india] Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur Navi Mumbai
To: rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 4:57 PM

Untitled1

Dear All,

Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur

Realizing that Konkan Railway Corporation( KRCL) not giving clear answer
regarding universities recognized by KRCL for identifying the qualifications
of the candidates( I had asked if KRCL has a list of recognized universities
for various qualifications all over India – they replied NO), I requested
inspection of educational qualification of all its employees.

Initially( Jan 16)  they agreed asking me to give one week’s notice for
inspection. But when I gave them notice & wanted to inspect on 24 th March (
today) suddenly the CPIO sent me a letter saying this is a matter regarding
3 rd party & they must check with the third party before allowing me
inspection. They have asked me to identify employees so that they can check
with them.

Any suggestions on further course of action? Shall I lodge a complaint with
CIC or do the same & provide KRCL list of depts in priority of inspection
desired ( I had asked that I would like to start with personnel dept) They
have not even honored the time limits on third part matter.

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Jitendra P. Shah | 25 Mar 04:47 2009
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Re: Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur Navi Mumbai

U SHOULD FILE FIRST APPEAL, AND THEN SECOND APPEAL TO CIC. EDUCATIONAL QUALIFICATION DETAILS OF EMPLOYEES ARE PUBLIC DOCUMENTS AND CAN BE ACCESSED WITHOUT CONSENT OF THIRD PARTY. U MAY QUOTE DECISION OF CIC IN Appeal No. CIC/WB/A/2007/00178 dated 23-2-2007. U CAN ALSO QUOTE DECISION OF AP INFO COM IN Appeal No:6611/SIC-ASR/2007 Dt.21-1-2008. I AM EMAILING THESE DECISIONS TO U SEPARATELY.

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--- On Tue, 24/3/09, ajay marathe <marathe.ajay <at> gmail.com> wrote:

From: ajay marathe <marathe.ajay <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [rti_india] Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur Navi Mumbai
To: rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 24 March, 2009, 10:27 PM

Untitled1

Dear All,

Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur

Realizing that Konkan Railway Corporation( KRCL) not giving clear answer
regarding universities recognized by KRCL for identifying the qualifications
of the candidates( I had asked if KRCL has a list of recognized universities
for various qualifications all over India – they replied NO), I requested
inspection of educational qualification of all its employees.

Initially( Jan 16)  they agreed asking me to give one week’s notice for
inspection. But when I gave them notice & wanted to inspect on 24 th March (
today) suddenly the CPIO sent me a letter saying this is a matter regarding
3 rd party & they must check with the third party before allowing me
inspection. They have asked me to identify employees so that they can check
with them.

Any suggestions on further course of action? Shall I lodge a complaint with
CIC or do the same & provide KRCL list of depts in priority of inspection
desired ( I had asked that I would like to start with personnel dept) They
have not even honored the time limits on third part matter.

--
Thanks & Rgds

Ajay Marathe

Vashi, Navi Mumbai, Maharashtra

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Satish Kumar Kapoor | 25 Mar 04:54 2009
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Re: Section 18 Complaint :Perid of Limitation ? Is Ambiguity Double Edged Sword ? (like FIR ,Hon Supreme Court Judgement)

Section 18 of RTI act does not specify any time limit, perhaps act makers were aware that section 18 deals with issues like " false information" , misleading information, incomplete information etc, besides other issues. These issues like misleading information or false information, one can only conclude after he/she uses/verifies information, which may not be posible in specified period.
 
S.K.Kapoor

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From: Vihar Durve <natureindia1 <at> yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Section 18 Complaint :Perid of Limitation ? Is Ambiguity Double Edged Sword ? (like FIR ,Hon Supreme Court Judgement)
To: rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 6:50 AM

Dear Shri Nangiaji,
 
Thanks for reply.
 
Two or three years down the line, is there  a possiblility of any IC  applyiny his version / interpretation & refuse to decide on Complaint under the Garb of Condonation of Delay/ No reasonable & sufficient ground/ evidence etc ....?
 
Let us not forget that ,  decision of  Maharashtra SIC  relating to Maharashtra Hsg Socity, Urban CoOp Bank, Charitable Trust  etc?  I have been given to understand that  Maharashtra SIC  DELIBERATELY  delayed or refused to take Full Bench Hearing  on the issue of  Unban Coop Bank as Sachin Tendulkar was out scoring ZERO RUNS and as such these banks are out of RTI.
 
I agree with you  if all ICs take this  as a positive pro-citizen situation, which we should welcome and make full use of this given provision.
 
regards
 
 vihar

--- On Sun, 22/3/09, suresh nangia <sknangia2004 <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

From: suresh nangia <sknangia2004 <at> yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Section 18 Complaint :Perid of Limitation ? Is Ambiguity Double Edged Sword ? (like FIR ,Hon Supreme Court Judgement)
To: rti_india <at> yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, 22 March, 2009, 11:50 PM

Dear Shri Vihar Durve
 
     While Secation 19 which deals with the subject of Appeals (under RTI Act) lays down the time frame for filing of Appeals, both at First Appellate Authority level and Information Commissi on(s) at Central and State levels, Section 18 which touches the subject of Complaints, has not specified any time frame for lodging of complaints by aggrieved citizens in areas described under sub-sections (a) to (f) of that Section.In the legislations enacted by the Parliament and/or State Assemblies, if the Law as framed is silent on any specific matter (like time frame for filing of complaints in this case), we read it that way only. CIC and/or DPOT with whom you have filed applicataions under RTI seeking their responses by way of information under RTI as also their views are not expected to go beyond what is stipulated under the Act. As the Law is silent on the aspect of time frame for filing of complaints, the logical conclusion will be that there is
no
bar of limitations on this score.Even the Courts will also take a similar view if the matter is taken up with  them. I would see this as a positive pro-citizen situation, which we should welcome and make full use of this given provision.
 
     Besides what has been explained above, in my view, the information requisitioned by you, strictly speaking, does not conform to the definition of information as described under Section 2(f) of the Act because no such information of desired description would be available on record with any of the authorities whom you have apploached with RTI application. The existence of information on record with a Public Authority, is an essential pre-requisite for its being provided to the applicant.A view and/or an advice about interpretation of Law, does not fall within the description of information as enshrined in the provisions of Act.
 
     I hope, I have answerd your point
 
    With regards
 
S K NANGIA                  

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From: Vihar Durve <natureindia1 <at> yahoo.co. in>
Subject: [rti_india] Section 18 Complaint :Perid of Limitation ? Is Ambiguity Double Edged Sword ? (like FIR ,Hon Supreme Court Judgement)
To: rti4empowerment <at> yahoogroups. com, rtimahilamanchup <at> yahoo.co. in, rti_india <at> yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, 22 March, 2009, 10:46 PM

Dear All,  
With an intent to find out Time Period within which Section 18 Complaint is to be lodged,RTI Application in CIC office  & DoPT Dept  was filed.
Mentioned below are  the replies by CPIO CIC & CPIO DoPT. 
1) Part  A :Question & Answer  2) Part B CPIO CIC Entire Reply.  3) Part C: DoPT Entire Reply.
Watiting for  SCIC Maharashtra , GAD ( Maharashra Govt) , & Yashada to Relpy.
regards
 vihar
***********
 
 
Point No.1: Inform & furnish me TIME PERIOD to file a complaint u/s18 of RTI? (i.e. time period starts from  …….. expiry of date( no of days)  and ENDS on  ( no of days) within how many days from filing RTI Application or cause of action etc etc  Furnish me all details.
 
CPIO CIC : No such information is available except what is laid out in section 18 of the RTI Act, 2005. A copy of which is being enclosed to you.
 
CPIO DoPT No.1 to 3: Section 18 of the RTI Act states that subject to the provisions of this Act, it shall be the duty of the Central Information Commission or State Information Commission, as the case may be, to receive and inquire into a complaint from any person who has been refused/deprived access to any information requested under this Act within the prescribed period of 30 days. Sub­section 1 of section 7 of the Act prescribes on receipt of a request under section 6 shall, as expeditiously as possible, and in any case within thirty days of the receipt of the request, either provide the information on payment of such fee as may be prescribed or reject the request for any of the reasons specified in sections 8 and 9.
 
Point No. 2: Furnish me procedure/criteria/ time/period/ fee structure/ reasons  for filing section 18 complaint.
CPIO CIC : In this regard, appeal procedure rules of DoPT dated 28th November, 2005 are being enclosed for your perusal.
You may also go through Central Information Commission (Management) Regulations, 2007 (Chapter IV) on our website i.e. (www.cic.gov. in )
 
Point No. 3: In case there is no TIME FRAME AT present  to file Section 18 Complaint , when would Central Information Commission ( CIC) frame time frame & other necessary details ( where Grey Area Exists, some confusion/  scope for some arbitrariness)   and publish same on CIC’s web site.
CPIO CIC: What you are seeking is not available in any material form. The CPIO can only provide 'information1 which is available in tangible or material form within the meaning of section 2(f) of the RTI Act, 2005.
 
 
Point No. 4: In case CIC  do not wish to finalize TIME FRAME to lodge/file section 18 complaint can RTI Applicant file complaint u/s 18 after  SIX MONTHS/ ONE YEAR / FOUR/FIVE YEARS… TEN YEARS ?
CPIO CIC : No such information is available with the Commission.
 
Point No. 5: Furnish me all relevant details in section 18 complaints.
CPIO CIC : What is mentioned RTI Act, 2005 under section 18, the appeal procedure rules mentioned above and the Chapter IV of the (Management) Regulations, 2007 is all what I can give in details for section 18 of the RTI Act, 2005.
************ **
 
 Part B:
 
 
Central Information Commission
'B' 2nd Floor, 'B' Wing August Kranti Bhavan,
Bhikaji Cama Place, New Delhi - 110066
 
No.CIC/CPIO/ 2009/267                                                                           Dated: 25th February, 2009
                                               
To
Shri Vihar Durve
573/1 Pavan Vihar Near Sai Pump, J.M. Road
Deccan Gymkhana Pune-41 1004
 
Subject:   Seeking information under the RTI Act, 2005.
 
Sir,
 
This  has  reference  to  your RTI  Application  dated   12.2.2009 received by the CPIO on 23.2.2009.  The para-wise reply is as under:-
 
1) No such information is available except what is laid out in section 18 of the RTI Act, 2005. A copy of which is being enclosed to you.
 
2) In this regard, appeal procedure rules of DoPT dated 28th November, 2005 are being enclosed for your perusal.
You may also go through Central Information Commission (Management) Regulations, 2007 (Chapter IV) on our website i.e. (www.cic.gov. inj.
 
3) What you are seeking is not available in any material form. The CPIO can only provide 'information1 which is available in tangible or material form within the meaning of section 2(f) of the RTI Act, 2005.
 
4) No such information is available with the Commission.
 
5) What is mentioned RTI Act, 2005 under section 18, the appeal procedure rules mentioned above and the Chapter IV of the (Management) Regulations, 2007 is all what I can give in details for section 18 of the RTI Act, 2005.
 
Your application dated 12.2.2009 was diarized in the Dak Section on 23.2.2009 and received by the CPIO on 25.2.2009 and replied to you on 26.2.2009. Since this application is similar to your earlier RTI application dated 11.2.2009 the reply of which is being sent alongwith this application has not been sent to anybody for assistance.
 
However, in case you are not satisfied with the reply, you may prefer an appeal to Shri Mohd. Haleem Khan, First Appellate Authority, Central Information Commission at the above address within thirty days of receipt of this letter.
 
End: As above
 
Your faithfully
 
(Tarun Kumar)
Joint Secretary & CPIO
Ph: 26180514
 
*****
Part C:
RTI Matter N0.12/32/2009- 1R Government of India
Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievances and Pensions Department of Personnel and Training
North Block, New Delhi Dated 4th March 2009
 
To
Shri Vihar Durve, 573/1, Pavan Vihar, Near Sai Pump, J.M. Road, Deccan Pune-411004.
Subject: Information under the RTI Act, 2005
Sir,
I am to refer to your application dated 12.2.2009 received on 25.2.2009 and to furnish information as under:
Point No.1 to 3: Section 18 of the RTI Act states that subject to the provisions of this Act, it shall be the duty of the Central Information Commission or State Information Commission, as the case may be, to receive and inquire into a complaint from any person who has been refused/deprived access to any information requested under this Act within the prescribed period of 30 days. Sub­section 1 of section 7 of the Act prescribes on receipt of a request under section 6 shall, as expeditiously as possible, and in any case within thirty days of the receipt of the request, either provide the information on payment of such fee as may be prescribed or reject the request for any of the reasons specified in sections 8 and 9.
2. The particulars of Appellate Authority in respect of above information is given below:
Smt. Anuradha S. Chagti,
Deputy Secretary (RTI),
Department of Personnel & Training,
North Block, New Delhi
Yours faithfully,
(R.K.Girdhar)
CPIO & Under Secretary
Tel. No. 23092759
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Manoj Pai | 25 Mar 05:29 2009
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Re: Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur Navi Mumbai

You are right Ajay, there is certainly a rot lying in the KRCL HQ at Belapur. Earlier Bhaskar Prabhu along with applicant Sudha Pandit were treated very badly during the inspection of requested documents.
 
Education Qualifications & Degree Certificates cannot qualify to come under the Section11 blanket as Third Party. The part on the Public Authority, in non disclosure of this information, gives rise to doubt, they have something to hide and maybe, they are even involved in appointing unqualified candidates in exchange of monetary gratifications.
 
Since they had inititally agreed to allow inspection in January and later defaulted in March, only makes it more interesting. You have several option. Of course, you will need to approach the CIC U/s 18. IC Annapurna Dikshit is the IC for Railways now. Her disposal rate is fast. The waiting would not be more than a few months. Further, nothing can stop you in filing a fresh application, asking for the same documents. Meaning, you file a Complain with CIC and at the same time file another RTI Application, seeking the same documents.
 
An additional request can be made for inspection Under Section 4(1)(a).... repeat its not 4(1)(b) for manuals but 4(1)(a) - Categorization of Documents.
 
Lage Raho
 
Manoj Pai

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, ajay marathe <marathe.ajay <at> gmail.com> wrote:

Realizing that Konkan Railway Corporation( KRCL) not giving clear answer
regarding universities recognized by KRCL for identifying the qualifications
of the candidates( I had asked if KRCL has a list of recognized universities
for various qualifications all over India – they replied NO), I requested
inspection of educational qualification of all its employees.

Initially( Jan 16)  they agreed asking me to give one week’s notice for
inspection. But when I gave them notice & wanted to inspect on 24 th March (
today) suddenly the CPIO sent me a letter saying this is a matter regarding
3 rd party & they must check with the third party before allowing me
inspection. They have asked me to identify employees so that they can check
with them.

--
Thanks & Rgds

Ajay Marathe

Vashi, Navi Mumbai, Maharashtra

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Vihar Durve | 25 Mar 06:46 2009
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Re: Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur Navi Mumbai

Chech out with Retuns filed in Employment Exchange  office bu KRCL . 
 
vihar

--- On Wed, 25/3/09, Manoj Pai <manojpai <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Manoj Pai <manojpai <at> yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur Navi Mumbai
To: rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 25 March, 2009, 9:59 AM

You are right Ajay, there is certainly a rot lying in the KRCL HQ at Belapur. Earlier Bhaskar Prabhu along with applicant Sudha Pandit were treated very badly during the inspection of requested documents.
 
Education Qualifications & Degree Certificates cannot qualify to come under the Section11 blanket as Third Party. The part on the Public Authority, in non disclosure of this information, gives rise to doubt, they have something to hide and maybe, they are even involved in appointing unqualified candidates in exchange of monetary gratifications.
 
Since they had inititally agreed to allow inspection in January and later defaulted in March, only makes it more interesting. You have several option. Of course, you will need to approach the CIC U/s 18. IC Annapurna Dikshit is the IC for Railways now. Her disposal rate is fast. The waiting would not be more than a few months. Further, nothing can stop you in filing a fresh application, asking for the same documents. Meaning, you file a Complain with CIC and at the same time file another RTI Application, seeking the same documents.
 
An additional request can be made for inspection Under Section 4(1)(a).... repeat its not 4(1)(b) for manuals but 4(1)(a) - Categorization of Documents.
 
Lage Raho
 
Manoj Pai

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, ajay marathe <marathe.ajay <at> gmail.com> wrote:

Realizing that Konkan Railway Corporation( KRCL) not giving clear answer
regarding universities recognized by KRCL for identifying the qualifications
of the candidates( I had asked if KRCL has a list of recognized universities
for various qualifications all over India – they replied NO), I requested
inspection of educational qualification of all its employees.

Initially( Jan 16)  they agreed asking me to give one week’s notice for
inspection. But when I gave them notice & wanted to inspect on 24 th March (
today) suddenly the CPIO sent me a letter saying this is a matter regarding
3 rd party & they must check with the third party before allowing me
inspection. They have asked me to identify employees so that they can check
with them.

--
Thanks & Rgds

Ajay Marathe

Vashi, Navi Mumbai, Maharashtra

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Daphne Warapen | 25 Mar 05:28 2009
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Re: Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur Navi Mumbai

Dear Mr. Ajay
I suggest that you file a first appeal with the FAA as suggessted by Mr.Jam and also, simultaneously write a letter stating the problem and delay  after assuring you of the file inspection. If you do not get a reply to your letter than put ann RTI asking for action taken on your letter. you will thus have two things working simultaneously.

--- On Wed, 25/3/09, C K Jam <rtiwanted <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

From: C K Jam <rtiwanted <at> yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur Navi Mumbai
To: rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 25 March, 2009, 8:58 AM

Dear Mr Ajay,

Immediately file a First Appeal with the FAA.
All information/ documents related to employees which were considered by the PA to appoint them are disclosable under the RTI act.
This includes Educational Qualification certificates.
There are various CIC and some SIC orders on this subject.

RTIwanted.

From: ajay marathe <marathe.ajay <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [rti_india] Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur Navi Mumbai
To: rti_india <at> yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 4:57 PM

Untitled1

Dear All,

Inspection of Degree Certificates at Konkan Railway Corporation CBD Belapur

Realizing that Konkan Railway Corporation( KRCL) not giving clear answer
regarding universities recognized by KRCL for identifying the qualifications
of the candidates( I had asked if KRCL has a list of recognized universities
for various qualifications all over India – they replied NO), I requested
inspection of educational qualification of all its employees.

Initially( Jan 16)  they agreed asking me to give one week’s notice for
inspection. But when I gave them notice & wanted to inspect on 24 th March (
today) suddenly the CPIO sent me a letter saying this is a matter regarding
3 rd party & they must check with the third party before allowing me
inspection. They have asked me to identify employees so that they can check
with them.

Any suggestions on further course of action? Shall I lodge a complaint with
CIC or do the same & provide KRCL list of depts in priority of inspection
desired ( I had asked that I would like to start with personnel dept) They
have not even honored the time limits on third part matter.

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Jitendra P. Shah | 25 Mar 04:33 2009
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Re: number of questions for a singe individual

IN KARNATAKA RTI RULES THEY HAVE RESTRICTED TO QUERY OF 150 WORDS AND ON ONE SUBJECT PER APPLICATION. IN ALL OTHER STATES AND CENTRAL GOVT THERE IS NO RESTRICTION. IT IS BETTER TO FILE IN PERSONAL NAME, RATHER THAN IN THE NAME OF ORGANISATION. RTI IS ACCESSIBLE TO CITIZENS OF INDIA ONLY. U CAN GIVE ADDRESS OF THE ORGANISATION. IF U ARE INTERESTED IN RTI PL ALSO VISIT www.rtiindia.org  

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Subject: [rti_india] number of questions for a singe individual
To: rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com, HumJanenge <at> yahoogroups.co.in
Date: Wednesday, 25 March, 2009, 7:17 AM

 
Dear Sirs
 
 
I have been asking questions under RTI with a public authority and employed in the same PA and asking under the banner of a un recongnised association. Some of the my friends are advising me not to raise questions on single name as they may be blacklisted or complain to cic. is there any  restrictions on a citizen/employee not to raise the questions under RTI within the same pa.
 
 
 

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Col NR Kurup | 25 Mar 10:07 2009
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How do we live up with such SICs ?

One may not believe it; but it is true incident. The SPIO of the Village
Office, Tellichery, Kerala made his own interpretation that the Rs.10/-
prescribed is for providing information is only orally and if an applicant
want this information in writting he has to pay the additional charges of
Rs.2/- prescribed in the Rules for providing it in an paper failing which
the applicant can get the information only on oral communication from the
SPIO. In the entire state of Kerala no one make such an interpretation and
this was an isolated case. None of the PAs including District Collectorate,
Government Secretariate or even the SPIO of SIC, Kerala make any such
claim.

The issue was reported to Ms Ishitha Roy, IAS District Collector, Kannur
whom I have not seen disagreeing with the plea of her subordinate staff in
any issue - even in serious case of corruption with documentary evidences .
As expected she has sided with the above PIO affirming that his
interpretation was correct though the Collectorate itself did not resort to
such unlawful method.

On seeing such gross failure of District Administration, I had reported this
in person to Sri.Palat Mohandas, SIC, Kerala when he visitted this place. As
usual he could not answer this. Fully anticipatting this habit of his I was
ready with a written plea. He had promissed to reply me soon when he reach
back at Trivandrum. .To day I received his reply in his No1112/SIC-Gen2/2009
dated 20-3-2009. It says that:

*"Vide letter cited you have informed the Commission that the Village
Officer, Tellicherry has demanded Rs.12/-instead of Rs.10/- as fee to
provide the informatrion if the applicant need the information in writting,
contray to the provision of the Right to Information Act. In this instance
the said demand though unlawful, Commission cannot take up the issue until
and unless it is challenged either in a Complaint petition or in an Appeal
Petition and only when it comes up for the consideration of the commission.
Only the appropriate government can take steps to curb these kind of
practices*. "

The pity is that he accepted it as unlawful but plead that he is helpless.
I feel pity that a former Chief Secretary of this State(more or less the
highest office) is so helpless to initiate action against a Village Oficer
(the lowest head of office) despite provisions contained in Section
18(1)(f) and 18(2) of the Act. More than 20 second appeals/complaints of
mine including PIOs not obeying SICs orders etc being pending with him
since 2 years, I delibertely did not make a complainant in the prescribed
format as it was not likely to be considered in 2 years. I was wanting
urgent action . One should remember that this is a complaint I made to him
in open assembly when he has asked the cityzens in public meetting to
project problems if any faced in connection with RTI and I have projected
the above problem.

I had followed it with a written a DO letter to him with copy to Ms. Ishita
Roy, IAS District Collector. I think this should be good enough for him to
apprise the correct cituation to the District Collector and sort out the
guilty. But either he is ignorant or scared . IThe SIC is not able to sort
out such basic issues, the District Collector in person is not able to do
and thye want to approach government directly for such a simple unlawful
butchery of the RTI Act by the lowest government servant. , Of cource our
media like "The Hindu" does not care about such complaint but only
interestted in repeating that "The RTI Act is being misused" and "The public
neeedawarenes of RTI Act.

Any solution ?

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T N Krishnamoorthi | 25 Mar 11:21 2009
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Re: number of questions for a singe individual

Dear Mr Prasad,

RTI act can be utilised by all citizens of India including employee of the PA. When I was acting as a CPIO in my own PA, I also applied for some information to the another CPIO of the same PA. I got the information.

Regarding association , pl see the abstract of CIC's decisions on 17th May 2007 which is reproduced below:
"....an application/ appeal from an Association or a Partnership Firm or a Hindu Undivided Family or from some other group of individuals constituted as a body or otherwise should be accepted and allowed. ...."

Regards..

Krishnamoorthi
Andaman

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call2umesh | 25 Mar 12:39 2009
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For the sake of our Country

Dear Citizens of India,

Time has come to lodge our protest against the lethargic JUDICIARY , which is living on our hard earned money paid to them through collected funds i.e. Income Tax and Service Tax. But in return, we, the citizens of India, never get Justice.

Are they doing justice to millions of cases pending in the courts? Are they bothered about the harassment of millions of litigants who are paying them their bread and butter??? They simply harass the litigants by adjourning the cases and in the end matter between harassed litigants is settled through Lok-Adalats….What a Mockery of Justice….Even a village Panchayat can run Lok Adalat..Why we need these Judges???

Recently they have adopted another style of not admitting the petitions and rejecting/dismissing one the first hearing without even reading the case.

Why they don’t work for extra hours and Extra time for us. After all they are Public Servants.

Contrarily, these Judges enjoy the vacations/holidays for months at a stretch when more than 40 Million cases are pending in the courts. On Diwali, they take one week holiday. On Dusherra they again go on one week holiday. In summer, they are closed for about two months. No other Government office is closed for so many days. Even our children’s go to school for more number of days than their working days.

So, why to waste Public funds on them. Why to pay lucrative salaries to them when they are not performing.

In fact, the Government run PSUs get paid on basis of their performance. The lower the performance of PSU the lesser the pay they get. So, why extra bonanza for these highly no performers.

Let them show the performance before we accord our permission to hike their salaries.

Let’s come forward and put our suggestions before the Standing Committee. Kindly e-mail your opinion to Shri K.P. Singh, Joint Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, Room No 212 A9 Second Floor, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi 110001 (Tel: 23034292 and Fax 23016784, E-mail: kpsingh <at> ... or rscpers <at> ...

Please forward this e-mail for wider publicity and awareness.

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