Rakesh Agarwal | 5 Sep 17:26 2008

Ansari's novel interprentation of "information"

Information Commission M.A. Ansari read out section 2(j) to me and said that
a Commissioner can decide to allow inspection in lieu of copies of
documents. He also said that since Inspection is mentioned in clause (i) and
copies in clause (ii), I should be grateful if he gave me access under the
"preferential" clause.

The hearing took place yesterday in a case where Department of Posts had
asked me to deposit more than Rs.1,25,000 as "Labour charges". As half
expected, he accused me of malafide and said that I cannot expect the
government officers to do research for me.

All I wanted was the delivery status of all articles sent through speed post
across the country on one particular day - chosen at random - in order to
assess their performance. My speed post articles were being delivered in 3
to 10 days within the same city and some articles either went missing or
were delivered to the wrong address. Mr. Ansari said I should visit their
offices across the country and inspect the status for myself; this is when
he mentioned the "preferential" clause.

I am preparing a writ for Delhi High Court. This is the 3rd such instance
with Ansari over the last two years.

I have immense respect for other ICs but whilst Padma's knowledge of RTI is
elementary, Ansari is an example of how to deliberately and shamelessly kill
transparency and accountability.

A copy of Premchand's "Panch Parmeshwar" is on the way to Ansari - with a
bouquet.

Rakesh Agarwal

NyayaBhoomi

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MANOJ KAMRA | 5 Sep 21:24 2008
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Re: Ansari's novel interprentation of "information"

Dear Sh.Rakesh Agarwal,
In my decision against deptt of post, IC(A) have rejected my appeal by his Takia Kalam--"there is no denial of information". appellant is free to inspect the relevant files.
As there is no denial of information, the appellant is free to seek inspection of the relevant records, so as to identify and specify the required information, which should be furnished as per the provisions of the Act.
 
Actually , I sent one RTI application and one first appeal from Bikaner to Jaipur at the same office,same day ,same post office.RTI application returned back after 13 days with remarks of incorrect pin code and address.This prima facie false reply has been given clean chit in his decision WITHOUT MENTIONING ACTUAL DESIRED INFORMATION IN THE DECISION.
Decision No. 2792/IC(A)/2008 dated 09/07/2008 on Appeal from Sh. Manoj K. Kamra Vs Department of Posts
If you really plan to challange his decision,kindly examine my file also available at CIC OFFICE.
regards
Manoj K.Kamra
 

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Rakesh Agarwal <rakesh <at> nyayabhoomi.org> wrote:

From: Rakesh Agarwal <rakesh <at> nyayabhoomi.org>
Subject: [rti_india] Ansari's novel interprentation of "information"
To: HumJanenge <at> yahoogroups.co.in, rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com, rti4empowerment <at> yahoogroups.com, RTI-TIMES <at> yahoogroups.com, INDIARTI <at> yahoogroups.com, "'Hemant Goswami'" <hemantgoswami <at> gmail.com>, citizensvoice <at> googlegroups.com, sackhim <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 8:56 PM

Information Commission M.A. Ansari read out section 2(j) to me and said that
a Commissioner can decide to allow inspection in lieu of copies of
documents. He also said that since Inspection is mentioned in clause (i) and
copies in clause (ii), I should be grateful if he gave me access under the
"preferential" clause.

The hearing took place yesterday in a case where Department of Posts had
asked me to deposit more than Rs.1,25,000 as "Labour charges". As half
expected, he accused me of malafide and said that I cannot expect the
government officers to do research for me.

All I wanted was the delivery status of all articles sent through speed post
across the country on one particular day - chosen at random - in order to
assess their performance. My speed post articles were being delivered in 3
to 10 days within the same city and some articles either went missing or
were delivered to the wrong address. Mr. Ansari said I should visit their
offices across the country and inspect the status for myself; this is when
he mentioned the "preferential" clause.

I am preparing a writ for Delhi High Court. This is the 3rd such instance
with Ansari over the last two years.

I have immense respect for other ICs but whilst Padma's knowledge of RTI is
elementary, Ansari is an example of how to deliberately and shamelessly kill
transparency and accountability.

A copy of Premchand's "Panch Parmeshwar" is on the way to Ansari - with a
bouquet.

Rakesh Agarwal

NyayaBhoomi

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C K Jam | 6 Sep 19:00 2008
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Re: Ansari's novel interprentation of "information"

Probably IC Ansari should read the quotation which appears in every page of his decision these days:

“If you don’t ask, you don’t get.” - Mahatma Gandhi

C K Jam

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Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 3:26 PM

    
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Dear All ,
However Valued the Quotation be , Is it permissible to Quote Such Quotations in the Orders ???

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Vikram Simha | 6 Sep 21:41 2008
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What will be the Fate of Dr H N Krishna , State Info Commissioner ???

Dear All ,
To answer the Question , The Karnataka High Court has Today Directed the Advocate General to Find Out the Source of Salary to Information Commissiners .
Please read further on and if you have any Documents to Provide on this Issue Please send them to The Advocate General/High Court . Please also comment on this Aspect as Provided in RTI Act 2005

The High Court on Friday Directed the Government to give details on the source of salary from where they are drawn for persons occuyping constitutional posts like Lokayuktha , office of the Advocate General and Related Posts ..
Who pays these salaries to people holding these constitutional posts? From Which fund is their salary drawn? Is it from A consolidated Fund or a State Fund ? Asked a divisional Bench on a Petition Filed by Advocate Y N Nagaraja .The Peteition challenged the Appointment of of Former PSC Chairman Dr H N Krishna (A Dentist) as the State Information Commissioner . The HC will hear the case again on September 30 .

Advocate General Udaya Holla told the HC that the State Info Commissioner is a Constitutional Post and not Controlled by the Government . There is No Bar in Appointing an Ex PSC Chairman as KIC Commissioner . He Said
The Petitioner has claimed thart Krishna was involved in a recuricutment scam related to Group A and B posts while he was KPSC Chairman .
Article 319(B) of the Constitution also bans Ex Chairman of any Public Service Commission to Work for the Government after Retirement .

PS : ( Our RTI Study Centre has learnt from Reliable Sources that the Governor's Obtained an Legal Opnion from the Advocate Udaya Holla in his Previous Stint , The Opnion is on the lines that at the Time of Framing Article 319(B) of the Constitution , our Framers had not Thought of an INformation Commission will be Established . ) ---- { how Ridiculous ??}

This News appears Also in Todays Deccan Herald -- A Gist is Given Below
Whom is the Pay Master vor Constitutional Posts --- Chief Justice P D Dinakaran wanted to Know . When the Advocate General Uday Holla replied saying he has no IDEA about it

The Petitioner also Pointed out that allegations of Misappropriation by the Former KPSC Chairman during Recuitment of KAS officers during the year 1998 and Krishna's Nomination is voilation of Article 319 as he was holding the post of Chairman KPSC prior .

N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte & Trustee RTI Study Centre , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.

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Rakesh Agarwal | 7 Sep 06:48 2008

RE: [rti4empowerment] Re: [INDIARTI] Re: [HumJanenge] Ansari's novel interprentation of "information"

I will join the dharna if sufficient notice is given to me. MA Ansari is an
angel compared to UP SIC.

Rakesh Agarwal

From: rti4empowerment <at> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:rti4empowerment <at> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bimal Khemani
Sent: 06 September 2008 21:39
To: INDIARTI <at> yahoogroups.com
Cc: urvashi sharma; HumJanenge <at> yahoogroups.co.in; rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com;
rti4empowerment <at> yahoogroups.com; RTI-TIMES <at> yahoogroups.com; Hemant Goswami;
citizensvoice <at> googlegroups.com; sackhim <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Re: [INDIARTI] Re: [HumJanenge] Ansari's novel
interprentation of "information"

We have more that 100 appeals pending at SIC LUCKNOW, the fate of all is not
known.
We rti activist of aligarh is planning to stage one day dharna before the
office of Sri Brajesh Mishra chief information commissioner some time in the
month of october to press to held the hearing of all the cases at ALIGARH at
an early date.

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 urvashi sharma wrote :
>rakeshji
>in up sic ic brijesh kumar mishra has the same attitude. it pinches me
>somewhere deep in my heart when such persons are invited n honoured in
>public functions . but in today's world everything has become
>political and thats why everything we plan , fails in the end.we
>should chalk out a plan at national level to rate ics of all
>commissions and discard all such ics that act against the act
>knowingly .
>
>is arvindji listening
>
>On 9/5/08, Rakesh Agarwal <rakesh <at> nyayabhoomi.org> wrote:
> > Information Commission M.A. Ansari read out section 2(j) to me and said
that
> > a Commissioner can decide to allow inspection in lieu of copies of
> > documents. He also said that since Inspection is mentioned in clause (i)
and
> > copies in clause (ii), I should be grateful if he gave me access under
the
> > "preferential" clause.
> > The hearing took place yesterday in a case where Department of Posts
had
> > asked me to deposit more than Rs.1,25,000 as "Labour charges". As half
> > expected, he accused me of malafide and said that I cannot expect the
> > government officers to do research for me.
> > All I wanted was the delivery status of all articles sent through speed
> > post across the country on one particular day - chosen at random - in
order
> > to assess their performance. My speed post articles were being delivered
in
> > 3 to 10 days within the same city and some articles either went missing
or
> > were delivered to the wrong address. Mr. Ansari said I should visit
their
> > offices across the country and inspect the status for myself; this is
when
> > he mentioned the "preferential" clause.
> > I am preparing a writ for Delhi High Court. This is the 3rd such
instance
> > with Ansari over the last two years. I have immense respect for other
ICs
> > but whilst Padma's knowledge of RTI is elementary, Ansari is an example
of
> > how to deliberately and shamelessly kill transparency and
accountability.
> > A copy of Premchand's "Panch Parmeshwar" is on the way to Ansari - with
a
> > bouquet.
> > Rakesh Agarwal
> > NyayaBhoomi
> >
>
>
>--
>urvashi sharma
>(social worker & rti activist)
>F-2108 EKTA PARK , RAJAJIPURAM
>LUCKNOW - UTTAR PRADESH - 226017
>MOBILE - 09305463313

BIMAL KUMAR KHEMANI
Saha-Prant Sangathan Mantri,
AKHIL BHARATIYA GRAHAK PANCHAYAT BRAJ PRANT,
2/40D, Janakpuri, Marrish Road,
ALIGARH-202001. INDIA
Phone:0571-2401557, MOB:-09359724625
e.mail: bimal.khemani <at> rediffmail.com

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Myth Kumar | 12 Sep 05:22 2008

Babus raided, Rs 19 cr assets seized

Lokayukta sleuths raided the office and residences of eight government
officials, including two KAS officials, and unearthed property worth more
than Rs 19.46 crore disproportionate to their known sources of income.

Lokauytka Justice Santosh Hegde said the raids were conducted simultaneously
in different districts. He said the exact value of the assets could be more
after completion of property valuation.

The raids, which began in the morning, were conducted in Bengaluru, Bidar,
Mangalore, Shimoga Tumkur, Bellary and Belgaum. The eight officials comprise
two KAS officers CEO Belgaum D.B. Naik CEO ZP Tumkur Govindaraj. The other
officials are deputy director of town planning H.A. Hafeez, his brother,
motor vehicle inspector in Bidar H.A. Iqbal, joint director of watershed
development board Bengaluru T.V. Ramadass, deputy commissioner of commercial
tax Mangalore Dayananda Poojari, assistant director of agriculture, Shimoga
K.G. Manjappa, assistant executive engineer Gescom Bellary Teja Naik,
Assistant engineer BBMP Chandrashekhar. Justice Hegde said the raids since
this January has reached 80, while the sleuths of Lokayukta have already
trapped 186 officials while accepting grafts.

"Many officials' assets and lockers are yet to be seized and even the
valuation of some property is yet to be finalised. Among the accused
officials, T.V. Ramadas owns a poultry farm, the value of which is yet to be
ascertained. He had also built one temple inside a farm in Tumkur. The total
value of Hafeez and Iqbal brothers is estimated at Rs 1.42 crore. Gescom
Bellary AEE Teja Naik owns a petrol bunk, valued at around Rs 1 crore.
However, the accused has said that he had invested only Rs 25 lakh, while
the rest is funded by Reliance. The investigation is on over such claims,"
he said.

http://www.dc-epaper.com/DC/DCB/2008/09/12/ArticleHtmls/12_09_2008_003_006.shtml?Mode=1

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sarbajit roy | 12 Sep 05:28 2008
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Re: Babus raided, Rs 19 cr assets seized

Dear MythKumar and other members

(AGAIN)

1) Repeated CrossPosting to RTI_India shall result in expulsion.
2) What is the RTI connection?

Group Moderator

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Myth Kumar <fightin498a <at> googlemail.com> wrote:
> Lokayukta sleuths raided the office and residences of eight government
> officials, including two KAS officials, and unearthed property worth more
> than Rs 19.46 crore disproportionate to their known sources of income.
>
> Lokauytka Justice Santosh Hegde said the raids were conducted simultaneously
> in different districts. He said the exact value of the assets could be more
> after completion of property valuation.
>
> The raids, which began in the morning, were conducted in Bengaluru, Bidar,
> Mangalore, Shimoga Tumkur, Bellary and Belgaum. The eight officials comprise
> two KAS officers CEO Belgaum D.B. Naik CEO ZP Tumkur Govindaraj. The other
> officials are deputy director of town planning H.A. Hafeez, his brother,
> motor vehicle inspector in Bidar H.A. Iqbal, joint director of watershed
> development board Bengaluru T.V. Ramadass, deputy commissioner of commercial
> tax Mangalore Dayananda Poojari, assistant director of agriculture, Shimoga
> K.G. Manjappa, assistant executive engineer Gescom Bellary Teja Naik,
> Assistant engineer BBMP Chandrashekhar. Justice Hegde said the raids since
> this January has reached 80, while the sleuths of Lokayukta have already
> trapped 186 officials while accepting grafts.
>
> "Many officials' assets and lockers are yet to be seized and even the
> valuation of some property is yet to be finalised. Among the accused
> officials, T.V. Ramadas owns a poultry farm, the value of which is yet to be
> ascertained. He had also built one temple inside a farm in Tumkur. The total
> value of Hafeez and Iqbal brothers is estimated at Rs 1.42 crore. Gescom
> Bellary AEE Teja Naik owns a petrol bunk, valued at around Rs 1 crore.
> However, the accused has said that he had invested only Rs 25 lakh, while
> the rest is funded by Reliance. The investigation is on over such claims,"
> he said.
>
> http://www.dc-epaper.com/DC/DCB/2008/09/12/ArticleHtmls/12_09_2008_003_006.shtml?Mode=1
>
> -----------------------------
> I blog at:
> http://www.societymirror.info/
> http://legalterror.wordpress.com/
>
> Keep Fighting 498A
> Keep Fighting Legal Terrorism
> Keep Fighting Inequality in Justice
>
> http://www.pollsb.com/webdigr
>
> If "con" is the opposite of "pro", then what is the opposite of progress?
>
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Myth Kumar | 12 Sep 15:58 2008

Re: Babus raided, Rs 19 cr assets seized

Well, speaking of RTI connection... This can be an idea for RTI
activists to file some new RTI applications to unearth such corrupt
babus in other depts as well...

--- In rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com, "sarbajit roy"
<mail.sarbajitroy <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Dear MythKumar and other members
>
> (AGAIN)
>
> 1) Repeated CrossPosting to RTI_India shall result in expulsion.
> 2) What is the RTI connection?
>
> Group Moderator
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Myth Kumar <fightin498a <at> ...> wrote:
> > Lokayukta sleuths raided the office and residences of eight government
> > officials, including two KAS officials, and unearthed property
worth more
> > than Rs 19.46 crore disproportionate to their known sources of income.
> >
> > Lokauytka Justice Santosh Hegde said the raids were conducted
simultaneously
> > in different districts. He said the exact value of the assets
could be more
> > after completion of property valuation.
> >
> > The raids, which began in the morning, were conducted in
Bengaluru, Bidar,
> > Mangalore, Shimoga Tumkur, Bellary and Belgaum. The eight
officials comprise
> > two KAS officers CEO Belgaum D.B. Naik CEO ZP Tumkur Govindaraj.
The other
> > officials are deputy director of town planning H.A. Hafeez, his
brother,
> > motor vehicle inspector in Bidar H.A. Iqbal, joint director of
watershed
> > development board Bengaluru T.V. Ramadass, deputy commissioner of
commercial
> > tax Mangalore Dayananda Poojari, assistant director of
agriculture, Shimoga
> > K.G. Manjappa, assistant executive engineer Gescom Bellary Teja Naik,
> > Assistant engineer BBMP Chandrashekhar. Justice Hegde said the
raids since
> > this January has reached 80, while the sleuths of Lokayukta have
already
> > trapped 186 officials while accepting grafts.
> >
> > "Many officials' assets and lockers are yet to be seized and even the
> > valuation of some property is yet to be finalised. Among the accused
> > officials, T.V. Ramadas owns a poultry farm, the value of which is
yet to be
> > ascertained. He had also built one temple inside a farm in Tumkur.
The total
> > value of Hafeez and Iqbal brothers is estimated at Rs 1.42 crore.
Gescom
> > Bellary AEE Teja Naik owns a petrol bunk, valued at around Rs 1 crore.
> > However, the accused has said that he had invested only Rs 25
lakh, while
> > the rest is funded by Reliance. The investigation is on over such
claims,"
> > he said.
> >
> >
http://www.dc-epaper.com/DC/DCB/2008/09/12/ArticleHtmls/12_09_2008_003_006.shtml?Mode=1
> >
> > -----------------------------
> > I blog at:
> > http://www.societymirror.info/
> > http://legalterror.wordpress.com/
> >
> > Keep Fighting 498A
> > Keep Fighting Legal Terrorism
> > Keep Fighting Inequality in Justice
> >
> > http://www.pollsb.com/webdigr
> >
> > If "con" is the opposite of "pro", then what is the opposite of
progress?
> >
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> >
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raja bunch | 12 Sep 17:31 2008
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Re: Re: Babus raided, Rs 19 cr assets seized

We are running short of such activists

--- On Fri, 12/9/08, Myth Kumar <fightin498a <at> googlemail.com> wrote:

From: Myth Kumar <fightin498a <at> googlemail.com>
Subject: [rti_india] Re: Babus raided, Rs 19 cr assets seized
To: rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 12 September, 2008, 7:28 PM

Well, speaking of RTI connection.. . This can be an idea for RTI
activists to file some new RTI applications to unearth such corrupt
babus in other depts as well...

--- In rti_india <at> yahoogrou ps.com, "sarbajit roy"
<mail.sarbajitroy <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Dear MythKumar and other members
>
> (AGAIN)
>
> 1) Repeated CrossPosting to RTI_India shall result in expulsion.
> 2) What is the RTI connection?
>
> Group Moderator
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Myth Kumar <fightin498a <at> ...> wrote:
> > Lokayukta sleuths raided the office and residences of eight government
> > officials, including two KAS officials, and unearthed property
worth more
> > than Rs 19.46 crore disproportionate to their known sources of income.
> >
> > Lokauytka Justice Santosh Hegde said the raids were conducted
simultaneously
> > in different districts. He said the exact value of the assets
could be more
> > after completion of property valuation.
> >
> > The raids, which began in the morning, were conducted in
Bengaluru, Bidar,
> > Mangalore, Shimoga Tumkur, Bellary and Belgaum. The eight
officials comprise
> > two KAS officers CEO Belgaum D.B. Naik CEO ZP Tumkur Govindaraj.
The other
> > officials are deputy director of town planning H.A. Hafeez, his
brother,
> > motor vehicle inspector in Bidar H.A. Iqbal, joint director of
watershed
> > development board Bengaluru T.V. Ramadass, deputy commissioner of
commercial
> > tax Mangalore Dayananda Poojari, assistant director of
agriculture, Shimoga
> > K.G. Manjappa, assistant executive engineer Gescom Bellary Teja Naik,
> > Assistant engineer BBMP Chandrashekhar. Justice Hegde said the
raids since
> > this January has reached 80, while the sleuths of Lokayukta have
already
> > trapped 186 officials while accepting grafts.
> >
> > "Many officials' assets and lockers are yet to be seized and even the
> > valuation of some property is yet to be finalised. Among the accused
> > officials, T.V. Ramadas owns a poultry farm, the value of which is
yet to be
> > ascertained. He had also built one temple inside a farm in Tumkur.
The total
> > value of Hafeez and Iqbal brothers is estimated at Rs 1.42 crore.
Gescom
> > Bellary AEE Teja Naik owns a petrol bunk, valued at around Rs 1 crore.
> > However, the accused has said that he had invested only Rs 25
lakh, while
> > the rest is funded by Reliance. The investigation is on over such
claims,"
> > he said.
> >
> >
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> >
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