RAKESH GUPTA | 1 Feb 02:24 2008
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Re: RTI - Life and Liberty AIIMS case

dear s k jain
thanks for the effort , you are making to make our life safer from criminals ( fake doctor) and the corrupt officers , who protect criminals for money.
my suggestion is as follows
the detailed reply sent by you is read very fast by reader.
therefore my suggestion is , it is better to write implication also.
like in passport issue date case that passport contain data (AIIMS) degree, which was given after one year of issue of Passports , this means, fake doctor knowligly give false information to passport office.
with regads
rakesh gupta

"S. K. Jain" <skjain84 <at> gmail.com> wrote: At 09:23 PM 1/31/2008, you wrote:

>Thanks.
>
>What happened at IMA hearing on Jan 21 and the latest in the matter.

MCI authorities too were baffled. They too refused to accept the
documents which AIIMS has honoured. The accused who was sent notice,
failed to turn up on 22nd Jan 2008. Notices to appear on 22nd Jan
2008 were sent at KIMS, Hyderabad address and invalid Tirupati
address listed on medical registration certificate. Now they will
send notices again at passport addresses too. In fact addresses are
also multiples - one in posh Banjara Hills, one in posh Jubilee
Hills, one on Minister Road, one on Lakdi-ka-pul near Basheerbagh.
All these places are in Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh.

>Regards,
>
>Ramesh Bhandoola
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: S. K. Jain <<mailto:skjain84%40gmail.com>skjain84 <at> gmail.com>
>To: <mailto:rti_india%40yahoogroups.com>rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:45:50 PM
>Subject: [rti_india] RTI - Life and Liberty AIIMS case
>
>My apologies, the previous matter got posted incomplete.
>
>Summary - This fake doctor with multiple identities, multiple date of
>births, multiple places of births, multiple passports had acquired MD
>degree from AIIMS in 1991 and then immigrated to UK in Feb 1992 and
>finally migrated to USA in 1995 where he practiced in public without
>any fear. He changed states after states in UK and USA for acquiring
>licenses, so no one ever got suspicious.
>
>The first impression that anyone with this 5 star fake doctor is of
>learned personality but reality is very harsh. His teacher in AIIMS -
>Dr Meharban Singh told me that he was blot on the face of AIIMS and
>was passed out despite disciplinary actions. Local media and Andhra
>Medical Council runs on his whims and fancies. Andhra Medical
>Council's website was inaugurated at Deccan Hotel which is now KIMS
>hospital where this International trickster is the Director.
>
>Another point I had forgotten in my previous post is -
>
>Father's occupation of this International Trickster
>1) Agriculturist - for AIIMS (Availed unknown backward area
>reservation in AIIMS)
>2) Business Man - for Rishi Valley School under ICSE board, New
>Delhi. In fact he is son of managing Partner of Sreenivasa
>Distillery, Chittoor. Andhra Pradesh.
>
>Passport
>1) His genuine Indian passport K493099 was issued on 16th Dec 1991
>while document in support of qualification is dated 7th March 1992.
>2) Second passport was made in UK's jurisdiction. This links
>explains how <http://www.workperm>http://www.workperm it.com/news/
>2005_09_12/ uk/uk_doctors. htm
>
>False Advertising
>Uses AB (Peds) USA as degree whereas in history of America there is
>no such degree.
>
>Its been two years AIIMS unwillingly furnished information after I
>took up the matter with CIC. AIIMS had placed responsibility on
>Medical Council of India to take action.
>
>The most disturbing fact is - despite so much information, action has
>been slow. The matter of AIIMS director Vs Health Minister Ramadoss
>tussle can reach Supreme Court of India and Parliament whereas AIIMS
>criminal actions are buried.
>
>AIIMS has formed a committee in the matter since one year after media
>highlighted the news titled "Munnabhai MD" on India TV. But that
>committee is hopeless as AIIMS does not have guidelines to withdraw
>MD degree but had every guideline to honour fake degree and fake
>marksheets. The fact is Sri Venkateswara University of Tirupati had
>no jurisdiction to award MBBS degree after 31 October 1986 wide AP
>Uniniversity Health Sciences Act 1986 available with University
>Grants Commission. UGC authorities were helpful.
>
>In such sensitive matter, AIIMS authorities are silent as they had
>awarded MD degree to a quack to murder infants. Also what I have
>found, in AIIMS there are no examination records for this person.
>
>Its such a complex case - VSV Prasad passes MBBS in second division
>in 1985 from Sri Venkateswara university (MBBS course jurisdiction
>was transferred to AP University of Health sciences on 31 October
>1986) , imposter S.P. Vankayalapati grabbed the MBBS degree and
>marksheets of VSV Prasad and became VSV Prasad. In USA, they send
>degree details for verification and medical college responded in
>positive as the degree belonged to genuine candidate.
>
>What happened to actual VSV Prasad is mystery till date ? This is not
>a story from film, but real-time facts.
>
>How we could catch the imposter with fake degree ?
>Thanks to my wife's scientific knowledge who had taught medical
>science students. This person was not able to answer simple queries
>on subject matter whereas our family physician who is genuine MBBS
>degree holder version differed on same subject. This led to suspicion
>and hence this International crime Discovery. This 5 star
>International trickster's fees runs in Lakhs and is suspected to have
>been involved in drug trials.
>
>Earlier also I have posted, where there is will, there is way. There
>is still some hope, as there still some honest helpful people on
>earth who helped me. Many thanks to three honourable members of this
>list for their kind support. Also many thanks to American news
>reporter Eric without whose help I would not have succeeded in
>getting information. Eric where ever you live, your contribution will
>never be forgotten.
>
>Sanjiv Kumar Jain
>New Delhi
>INDIA
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sroy1947 | 1 Feb 09:43 2008
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Re: Person of Indian Origin

1) Any person can apply for information but only Indian citizens can
be given information under RTI.

--- In rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com, "swanandlehmann"
<swanandlehmann <at> ...> wrote:
>
> I m a holder of a Person of Indian Origin Card and live in Europe with
> citizenship from a European state.
> Can I request information under RTI? and if yes, how do i do this best?
>
> Anyway can someone direct me to a place where i can easily understand
> how the procedure works?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Anand
>

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Manoj Pai | 1 Feb 09:48 2008
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Re: Re: Person of Indian Origin

What he means is that only information requested for
u/s 6 will be denied to you. However, you are free to
seek any information which falls u/s 4 and get it
too;-)

...... waiting for RTI Expert to come out of
hibernation in this list.

Manoj Pai
Ahmedabad
--- sroy1947 <sroy1947 <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

> 1) Any person can apply for information but only
> Indian citizens can
> be given information under RTI.
>
>
> --- In rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com, "swanandlehmann"
> <swanandlehmann <at> ...> wrote:
> >
> > I m a holder of a Person of Indian Origin Card and
> live in Europe with
> > citizenship from a European state.
> > Can I request information under RTI? and if yes,
> how do i do this best?
> >
> > Anyway can someone direct me to a place where i
> can easily understand
> > how the procedure works?
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > Anand

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Nidhi Sharma | 1 Feb 15:13 2008
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Re: Re: Person of Indian Origin

Goodness. For the first time the list members are speaking a little complicated language. Anand, what these two gentlemen mean is that you should first read the RTI Act. It is not too long. You could access it at Central Information Commission (CIC) website at www.cic.gov.in

CIC is the final appellate authority for RTI Act. It is to RTI Act what the Supreme Court of India is for criminal and civil cases.

You can see what Sarbajit means is that since you are not an Indian citizen not all information would be available to you. What information you could access as a person of Indian origin is clearly spelt out. You could use the Act and easily see what Manoj means by exemptions here.

Manoj Pai <manojpai <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
What he means is that only information requested for
u/s 6 will be denied to you. However, you are free to
seek any information which falls u/s 4 and get it
too;-)

...... waiting for RTI Expert to come out of
hibernation in this list.

Manoj Pai
Ahmedabad
--- sroy1947 <sroy1947 <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

> 1) Any person can apply for information but only
> Indian citizens can
> be given information under RTI.
>
>
> --- In rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com, "swanandlehmann"
> <swanandlehmann <at> ...> wrote:
> >
> > I m a holder of a Person of Indian Origin Card and
> live in Europe with
> > citizenship from a European state.
> > Can I request information under RTI? and if yes,
> how do i do this best?
> >
> > Anyway can someone direct me to a place where i
> can easily understand
> > how the procedure works?
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > Anand

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bibhav kumar | 1 Feb 16:22 2008
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Invitation: 18th World Book Fair: Release of RTI Training Manual on Video

Dear Friends,
This is an exciting time for us at Kabir, and we want to share some of our good news with you!

We will be releasing the Hindi version of our film team's latest work titled: RTI Training Manual on Video on Monday, 4 February at 4:00 PM at the 18th World Book Fair being held in Pragati Maidan (Youth Pavallion No7). We cordially invite you to join us and Central Information Commissioner Prof. M. M. Ansari for this release which will be followed by a lecture by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal.

We also encourage you to visit the Right to Information stand (Hall No. 12 A, Stand No. S. 1/25) hosted by Kabir throughout the Book Fair. Our manuals and films will be available for sale at stand.

A Bit About the Film
Over the past months, our film team has been working diligently on a set of films that together will give the viewer the experience of attending one of our Right to Information training workshops. The "RTI Training Manual on Video" features leaders of India's RTI movement.

Why have such a training film? An important reason is that we wanted to have standardized packet of basic information about RTI so that we could disseminate it widely. Currently we can only present RTI to as many audiences as we have manpower or time to address. Having a workshop on CD or DVD allows us to deliver a high quality presentation in anywhere with a TV and CD player, anytime! It will also free us up to focus on those who are already familiar with the basics of RTI and require more in depth assistance.

We hope to see you at the release and the book fair!
 
Best Regards,
The Kabir Team 


--
Bibhav Kumar
Right to Information Campaign
E-109, Pandav Nagar
Delhi-110092
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sroy1947 | 1 Feb 16:53 2008
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Re: Person of Indian Origin

Hi Nidhi, Anand, Group (in that order) etc

1. RTI Act is only applicable in India (except J&K) (qv. section 1.2)

2. Only citizens have the right to information - section 3

3. If a foreigner (or foreign intelligence agency) wants to obtain
information using RTI in India, they can contact professional tout
organisations (NGOs) - read the old messages on this list to identify
them.

4. If Anand (or any one else) has a genuine need for non-controversial
information accessible via RTI, many members on this list can surely
oblige him by applying on his behalf.

5. The best way to quickly learn about RTI in India is from the RTI
wiki at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Information_Act
I and some other members here keep a tight watch on this page to
ensure that it is accurate.

6. For Manoj, alot of the section 4 information is only to be
distributed over computers within India (section 4.1.a)

7. In an old post on this group we had discussed how many foreigners
(say CommonWealthers) could reciprocally get access to rights
available to Indian citizens under the Constitution of India /
Citizenship Act.

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi_sharma <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Goodness. For the first time the list members are speaking a little
complicated language. Anand, what these two gentlemen mean is that you
should first read the RTI Act. It is not too long. You could access it
at Central Information Commission (CIC) website at www.cic.gov.in
>
> CIC is the final appellate authority for RTI Act. It is to RTI Act
what the Supreme Court of India is for criminal and civil cases.
>
> You can see what Sarbajit means is that since you are not an
Indian citizen not all information would be available to you. What
information you could access as a person of Indian origin is clearly
spelt out. You could use the Act and easily see what Manoj means by
exemptions here.
>
> Manoj Pai <manojpai <at> ...> wrote:
> What he means is that only information requested for
> u/s 6 will be denied to you. However, you are free to
> seek any information which falls u/s 4 and get it
> too;-)
>
> ...... waiting for RTI Expert to come out of
> hibernation in this list.
>
> Manoj Pai
> Ahmedabad
> --- sroy1947 <sroy1947 <at> ...> wrote:
>
> > 1) Any person can apply for information but only
> > Indian citizens can
> > be given information under RTI.
> >
> >
> > --- In rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com, "swanandlehmann"
> > <swanandlehmann <at> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I m a holder of a Person of Indian Origin Card and
> > live in Europe with
> > > citizenship from a European state.
> > > Can I request information under RTI? and if yes,
> > how do i do this best?
> > >
> > > Anyway can someone direct me to a place where i
> > can easily understand
> > > how the procedure works?
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot!
> > >
> > > Anand
>
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Manoj Pai | 1 Feb 17:22 2008
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Re: Re: Person of Indian Origin

Well, my post was made to get RTI Expert come out of
hibernation. Seems it has given it a further
extensions thanks to the Delhi temperature.

Going by the definition Persons of Indian Origin (PIO)
Card holders are certainly not Indian Citizens. But
one may carefully note Section 8(iv)of the PIO Card
Scheme

http://www.rajkot.com/piocard/ministry_of_home_affairs.htm

Members may kindly check the MHA to understand the
legal entity a PIO Card Holder besides other
information at the following link

http://www.mha.nic.in/pioscheme.htm

Note PIO Card holders may not be confused with Non
Resident Indians or Overseas Indian Citizens, who,
following a recent SC decision, are entitled to
receive information under RTI Act.

Finally, following various CIC Decisions, many Public
Authorities have quickened their pace in proactive
declaration U/s 4. Even if the info is not available
on their site, their manuals are already available in
print form in their respective offices.

If the PIO Cardholder desires to access information
likes rules, regulations, procedures etc. he can
always access them even in person. Not forgetting
Section 4(1)(d) as well ;-)

(Still missing the RTI Expert in this list... hope he
is not vacationing in Tahiti.)

Manoj Pai
Ahmedabad
--- sroy1947 <sroy1947 <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Nidhi, Anand, Group (in that order) etc
>
> 2. Only citizens have the right to information -
> section 3
>
> 7. In an old post on this group we had discussed how
> many foreigners
>
> Sarbajit
>
> --- In rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com, Nidhi Sharma
> <nidhi_sharma <at> ...> wrote:
> >
> > Goodness. For the first time the list members are
> speaking a little
> complicated language. Anand, what these two
> > > <swanandlehmann <at> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I m a holder of a Person of Indian Origin Card
> and
> > > live in Europe with
> > > > citizenship from a European state.
> > > > Can I request information under RTI? and if
> yes,
> > > how do i do this best?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anand

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Manoj Pai | 1 Feb 17:47 2008
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CIC reads out US laws to define Personal Date & Intrusion to Privacy

In a recent decision Shri Shailendra Verma V/s Nuclear
Power Corporation of India Ltd, where the requested
information on technical examination was rejected u/s
8(1)(j) the CIC referred to U.K. Data Protection Act,
1998 and the U.S. Law of Torts to define "sensitive
personal data” and "Intrusion to Privacy". The CIC
directed the respondent to provide the information.
The CIC also ruled that "If the CPIO is of the view
that providing this information would be detrimental
to the safety of the preservation of the record in
question, he will arrange inspection by appellant".

Full decision here

http://cic.gov.in/CIC-Orders/Decision_30012008_05.pdf

Manoj Pai
Ahmedabad

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sroy1947 | 1 Feb 17:56 2008
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Re: Person of Indian Origin

The RTI Expert is conducting research in the "warm"(?) climes of
Karnataka near Mysore - searching for the ghost of Tipu Sultan.

The RTI Expert predicts to me (via telepathy - now that internet
services in India are badly affected by Reliance's undersea cable
break off Egypt) that a Tipu Sultan [or someone close to him ;-)]
shall arise (from the unlikeliest of places) and rid Indians from the
tyranny / legacy of Mahrattas and Europeans (and their descendants)
who have mucked up RTI for the rest of us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyder_Ali

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india <at> yahoogroups.com, Manoj Pai <manojpai <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Well, my post was made to get RTI Expert come out of
> hibernation. Seems it has given it a further
> extensions thanks to the Delhi temperature.
>
> Going by the definition Persons of Indian Origin (PIO)
> Card holders are certainly not Indian Citizens. But
> one may carefully note Section 8(iv)of the PIO Card
> Scheme
>

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S. K. Jain | 2 Feb 08:53 2008
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Re: RTI - Life and Liberty AIIMS case

Implications

1) Impersonated genuine doctor VSV Prasad - Where is Genuine VSV
Prasad ? Is he dead or alive ? Crime angle - Was he killed by this
person ? If he is alive where did he disappeared ? Again for readers
let me tell S.P. Vankayalapati (nickname Pussy with his Classmates)
took MBBS degree details of VSV prasad and produced fake degree
without the Seal in the name of VSV Prasad in AIIMS, UK and USA. For
this reason only, his passport file did not carry Class Xth
certificate of Rishi Valley School. S.P. Vankayalapti immigrated to
UK and USA in name of VSV Prasad and there in UK tired of
impersonation, he revealed his true identity by making another passport.

VSV Prasad and S.P. Vankayalapati are two different persons. S.P.
Vankayalapati is the International trickster who is the Director of
KIMS hospital but he presents his name as VSV Prasad.

All this was done with the knowledge of staff of Medical College.
That is why he shot a letter to AIIMS that why don't Information
Commissioners of CIC enquire with medical college.

2) A competent person's career was ruined as he/she could not get
seat in AIIMS. Only two seats are there in Pediatrics wing of AIIMS
for MD. AIIMS has not revealed who was second in list after this
person. Also AIIMS has not revealed names of members of selection
committee in 1988.

3) AIIMS concerned faculty/staff in 1988 must have received
handsome packets for ignoring the documents. Don't they know how a
MBBS degree looks like. My relatives graduation degree dating back to
1954 also has seal of the university and is signed by Vice Chancellor.

4) Infants cannot make complaints either to CIC, Police, court or
media as he plays with lives of infants. Infants cannot even tell the
sufferings to their parents when such persons play with lives in public.

5) For his cruel leisure (Red Ferrari, Skoda Octavia, horse riding,
posh bungalows), people sell their belongings for hope of best
treatment. It seems fraudulent people have similar tastes as observed
in ongoing discovery of Kidney racket. You must have read how Dr Amit
did not spare his ward boy's kidney too. One can go any extent for money.

6) Andhra Medical Council is his slave.He runs AMC and not vice
versa. The website of AMC was inaugurated at Deccan Hotel which is
now KIMS hospital where this person is the Director. Don in garb of
most noble medical profession as life saviour.

7) AIIMS awarded MD to a quack. Just Imagine why learned faculty of
AIIMS failed to identify a quack.

8) Tarnished image of India as land of corrupt people. Had there be
no corruption, he would not have got admission in AIIMS, nor had
acquired passport to leave Indian Shores. His passport file had no
proof of date of birth, no proof of PAN card, no proof of residence
address, no proof of MBBS degree. It contains only MD degree of AIIMS
dated 7 March 1992 while passport was issued on 16 December 1991.
Rather it contains proof of tout's SBI credit card.

9) He does not have PAN card when I enquired two years back with
Investigation wing of tax authorities. He is very poor even after
being Director of KIMS hospital and CEO of Lotus Children Hospital
that he cannot pay house tax.
<http://ghmc.gov.in/tax/taxduesdetails.asp>http://ghmc.gov.in/tax/taxduesdetails.asp
PTIN 073-1-06-000-00237

11) Tirupati which happens to be world's second richest religious
shrine after Vatican became backward area in hours, which was
endorsed by Planning Commission for admission in AIIMS for availing
unknown backward area reservation in AIIMS.

12) Unknown Backward Area reservation existed in AIIMS besides
regular reservations as directed by Supreme Court of India. Can it be
backdoor entry of candidates by this way ???

13) Life once lost is lost forever.

14) People are not united and they accept harsh facts as part of
destiny and let health fraud continue. Learned authorities pretends
to be ignorant of facts. Kidney racket which involves Apollo
hospital, Batra Hospital and many more is fresh example as per media reports.

15) Medical Ethics and International Code of Medical Ethics,
Declaration of Geneva is a big joke in our country India.

16) Human Rights Commission is white elephant which government is
running for welfare of Human Rights.

17) Involvement in drug trials is having International
Implications. Doctors gets huge money for drug trials from
pharmaceuticals giants and simultaneously money extracted from
patients. If life is saved its a big news in media and if life is
lost "patient was critically ill". Drug trial data is more precious
than patients life. I remember Mr Shiv Khera's statements - if there
is injustice on neighbour and you get sound sleep, the next number is yours.

18) Indian Academy of Pediatrics in Mumbai promotes such doctors
openly. Its secretary Dr Deepak Ugra shouted at me who am I to
question Andhra medical Council ? Dr S. Prasad Vankayalapati alias Dr
Vankayalapati Sri Venkateswara Prasad is very respectable member of
our organization and will continue to be. We are superior than
Medical council of India and we have every right to promote doctors
unknown to Medical Council of India. Why did he register in name of
S. Prasad Vankayalapti with IAP, is for reasons for his identity with
this name in UK and USA, and his other passport with this name. Read IAP RTI
http://www.esnips.com/web/IAP

19) Criminal Breach of trust and faith by AIIMS. For masses AIIMS is
seal of trust and faith where one hopes best treatment by competent doctors.

20) Utilization of grants by AIIMS in selecting quacks and
incompetent persons.

21) MBBS qualification fetches Rs 50 consultation fees, AIIMS MD
qualification fetches Rs 200, unknown AB Peds (USA) and tag of
neonatologist + Cheif Consultant Pediatrician + Critical Care
Intesivist fetches Rs 500. For surgeries, he conducts it fetches
Lakhs of Rupees.

22) He is one of the kingpin, there can be numerous similar Munnabhai
MD's from AIIMS and other similar institutions.On the condition of
anonymity, a renowned professor told me, admission in MD in similar
central institute can be acquired for Rs 60 Lakhs.

23) He never had a permanent registration with UK's General Medical Council.

24) Also most interesting parameter I had discovered there are no
examinations in PG courses of AIIMS whereas Delhi University has
proper examinations in PG courses. PG in medicine in AIIMS has been
equated with Doctorate in Delhi University where one has to submit
thesis. And thesis can be acquired from market for price. I myself
has seen how rich class students acquire ready made projects and
thesis for a price.

Its a request to other members of list, to cite implications which I
have failed to list.

And if nothing is wrong in this case, its my request to Indian
Government, UK Government and American government to honour this
person with highest prestigious award. Very rarely we will find such
learned Natwarlal in garb of most noble medical profession. If and
only if this person would have used his brains in gaining seat
through fair means, he would have been a true life saviour and would
not have projected false advertising in public.

Regards
Sanjiv Kumar Jain

At 06:54 AM 2/1/2008, you wrote:
>dear s k jain
>thanks for the effort , you are making to make our life safer from
>criminals ( fake doctor) and the corrupt officers , who protect
>criminals for money.
>my suggestion is as follows
>the detailed reply sent by you is read very fast by reader.
>therefore my suggestion is , it is better to write implication also.
>like in passport issue date case that passport contain data (AIIMS)
>degree, which was given after one year of issue of Passports , this
>means, fake doctor knowligly give false information to passport office.
>with regads
>rakesh gupta

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