bee_gee2k | 5 Jul 07:01 2015
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[IAC#RG] Tatkal reservation cancelation refund

As per govt announced after first July if any tatkal confirm ticket is canceled.passenger will get 50% back. But my experience i was having tatkal reservation and did not get amount back.
Counter clerk says on ticket is mentioned no refund.
Bhagwan gohrani
Bangalore

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What about other professionals like Legal, Accountancy, Valuation and to top it all Architects.Do they give receipt for full amount?
 
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jaiprakash narain | 3 Jul 09:26 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

why only docs but also the lawyers who takes laks of rs as fees n give no receipt n does not declare their true income, who can reign them.



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It is sad  that many private hospitals , clinics and doctors have become the den of corruption.  Clinics & doctors  insist on cash payment of fees and do not give receipts. They have no norms in charging fees and have become an exploitative class. Almost all of them accumulate huge black money and evade taxes.
Obviously, central government and income tax department know that  almost all doctors do not pay taxes properly but governments do not care to question them. Hospitals , clinics and doctors very rarely receive tax violation notice and they are rarely raided by income tax department.
 The poor people are the worst sufferers. With most government hospitals having  poor standards and many government doctors are indifferent and private hospitals and doctors fleecing the patients, people from lower income group face desperate conditions when  they fall ill.
Government has the responsibility to discipline the hospitals and doctors and insist on norms for demanding fees. Hospitals, clinics and doctors should be directed to accept fees beyond Rs. 1000  only by cheque and they should give receipt for any fees received above Rs. 50
Time has come for people to protest effectively against the fleecing hospitals. Clinics and doctors.
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Ghulam kundanam | 2 Jul 06:07 2015
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government's first Delhi budget on 25th june 2015.
Before the budget speech of Dy CM, Delhi Chief Minister Sh. Arvind
Kejriwal said that he expected Sisodia to live up to "Aam Aadmi's
expectation".   As he began the presentation of his maiden budget,
Delhi Deputy Chief Minister Manish Sisodia said it was "country's
first Swaraj budget".
Here are the highlights of the budget:
•	The capacity of solar power in Delhi will be increased.
•	Power tariff has gone up because of discrepancies in power discoms,
said Mr. Sisodia.
•	We Will install 15 new sewer treatment plants.
•	Will clean Yamuna river and make it a picnic spot in the next five years.
•	Will tackle the menace of tanker 'mafia' with the help of GPS.
•	In three years, will ensure the whole of Delhi gets clean drinking water.
•	Government is committed to implementation of Majithia commission
recommendations.
•	Government will constitute 'Shramik Vikas Mission'.
•	Labour welfare centres will be set up across Delhi and the labourers
will be registered through a single-window system along with other
benefits.
•	Will give Rs 1 crore each to families of martyrs.
•	New old age homes will come up in different parts of Delhi.
•	Loans up to Rs 10 lakh each would be given to those interested in
higher education. Girls will get the loan at 1% lesser interest rate.
•	Six new working women hostels to come up in Delhi.
•	It will be must for all public mode of transport to have GPS installed.
•	Marshals to travel in public transport, including buses, to ensure
safety of women. CCTV cameras will also be installed in all the buses.
•	Allocation of Rs 3695 crore for transport in Delhi.
•	E-rickshaw drivers will get subsidy of Rs 15,000 each.
•	A single ticket will be available for travelling in metro, buses and
autorickshaws.
•	Different modes of transport in Delhi will be inter-connected, bus
and auto information will be available on mobile phones.
•	There will be provisions to keep digital record of patients.
•	A total of 11 government hospitals in Delhi will be modernised.
•	As many as 10,000 beds will be increased in hospitals and 1,000 new
neighbourhood clinics will come up across Delhi. Of these, 500 will
come up this year itself.
•	Health budget hiked by over 45% to Rs 4787 crore.
•	As many as 70 schools will work in two shifts.
•	Rs 310 crore allocated for skill development and professional education.
•	Delhi to get a new skill development university.
•	Bringing an amendment to act against schools and colleges not
functioning with transparency.
•	At least 20,000 new teachers to be roped in.
•	We will convert 50 schools into model schools, will install CCTV
cameras in all classrooms across all Delhi schools.
•	We aim at 100% literacy in Delhi in the next two years.
•	Budget allocation for education hiked by over 106% to Rs 9,836 crore.
•	Will introduce single-window clearance system to ease business,
invite people from across the country to come and do business in
India.
•	All colleges and villages in Delhi to get free wifi with an
allocation of Rs 50 crore.
•	Every district to get new development authority DUDA.
•	We are moving towards smart city, smart administration.
•	As part of a pilot programme, will allocate Rs 20 crore each for 11
Assembly constituencies for development work, says Sisodia. The
programme will be extended to other constituencies in future.
•	No contractor would get payment for their work unless people are
satisfied with the work done.
•	Propose a 'Swaraj Nidhi', which will be used at the disposal of the
common man, allocate Rs 253 crore for the same.
•	We have given over Rs 1,131 crore to MCD by now, whereas it got just
Rs 769 crore in the last financial year.
•	We want constructive usage of the money contributed by people.
•	Our government is committed to helping the civic bodies in the
national capital.
•	Allocation of Rs 1,690 for subsidy on power and water tariff.
•	Rs 1,084 crore allocated to Delhi Transport Corporation (DTC).
•	As much as 12% of the budget allocation will be given back to the
Centre against the loans taken in the past.
•	Amount of Rs 5,908 crore allocated to local civic bodies.
•	The expenditure plan for FY2015-16 is of Rs 41,129 crore.
•	We have acted strongly against hoarding and black marketing.
•	Delhi has been deprived of the recommendation of the Finance
Commission, said Mr. Sisodia.
•	Tax worth Rs 26,604 crore was collected this financial year.
•	Per capita income of Delhi is more than the country-wide average.
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Venkatraman Ns | 2 Jul 16:55 2015
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[IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

                                             
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It is sad  that many private hospitals , clinics and doctors have become the den of corruption.  Clinics & doctors  insist on cash payment of fees and do not give receipts. They have no norms in charging fees and have become an exploitative class. Almost all of them accumulate huge black money and evade taxes.

Obviously, central government and income tax department know that  almost all doctors do not pay taxes properly but governments do not care to question them. Hospitals , clinics and doctors very rarely receive tax violation notice and they are rarely raided by income tax department.

 The poor people are the worst sufferers. With most government hospitals having  poor standards and many government doctors are indifferent and private hospitals and doctors fleecing the patients, people from lower income group face desperate conditions when  they fall ill.

Government has the responsibility to discipline the hospitals and doctors and insist on norms for demanding fees. Hospitals, clinics and doctors should be directed to accept fees beyond Rs. 1000  only by cheque and they should give receipt for any fees received above Rs. 50

Time has come for people to protest effectively against the fleecing hospitals. Clinics and doctors.
N.S.Venkatarman
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Sarbajit Roy | 30 Jun 04:18 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] Complaint from "Delhi Dialogue Commission" website

Dear IAC subscribers

I got a call saying DMRC is taking steps for action on based on our complaint sent from IAC's Delhi Dialogue Commission website, including

a) Converting the Blueline fully to 8 coach rakes
b) Taking additional steps to decongest Rajiv Chowk station

Sarbajit

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Kind Attention: Shri Mangu Singh MD/DMRC

Re: letter no. DMRC/PC&S/2015/0196 dated May 05 2015

Subject   Grievance:
http://www.delhidialoguecommission.in/form/DDC20150519123143-Delhi%20Metro.html

Sir

I would strongly urge you to read the subject highly evasive reply
from your Public Complaints Officer, in reply to my complaint no.33748
of 06 April 2015.

It is shocking that report/s of regular violent physical assaults
committed on detraining passengers at Rajiv Chowk station due to gross
overloading of your rakes and delayed operations are instead
trivialised by DMRC as "suggestion regarding train frequency".

We would therefore recommend the following immediate steps.

1) All "6 coach" rakes on Blue Line be converted to "8 coach" forthwith

2) No. of platform agents at key interchange stations be increased to
16 from the present 8.

sincerely

Sarbajit Roy
http://www.delhidialoguecommission.in

The complaint can be accessed at URL
http://www.delhidialoguecommission.in/form/DDC20150519123143-Delhi%20Metro.html

NB:  In case the complaint / grievance is not properly acknowledged
within 5 days, a vigilance complaint is generated against the
concerned department / officer by the undersigned.

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Dr. Munish Raizada | 28 Jun 04:19 2015
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[IAC#RG] NewsGram

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Vidyut | 26 Jun 07:54 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] Need help securing the rights of homeschoolers

It also has a larger environmental and economic impact. The less you are able to reuse things, the more you spend on buying specific things for specific purposes and the more garbage you generate. But if you are taught from early childhood that what is RIGHT comes from authority and if you differ, you are wrong, then you will buy products that are created and certified for specific uses instead of using what you already have. So, your old clothes will end up in some landfill while you purchase tissue papers and dusters and mops.

Do you know anyone anymore who binds left over pages from notebooks to reuse? Go to rural India. You will. And not just because of poverty, but because of sheer lack of exposure to "right" products for every purpose, a poor schooling system and enough opportunities to engage with diverse challenges that have no "right" answers provided. Jugaad thrives where reach of education system is poor in quantity/quality. That is how school kids rig up solar pumps there. Ever thought of that?

The education system is alarmingly lacking in the ingredients that make a mind perform at peak and thus, imposing it even on those with access to better possibilities does not just the children harm, but our overall intellectual abilities as well.

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Vidyut <wide.aware-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
It is important to recognize here that child rearing is not about feeding and clothing them alone. Those are support duties. A person is what they think, what they do. You are not what you eat, wear and whether you got fed on time. Your worth is a product of your thinking and presence. When education takes over installing state approved thoughts and state approved thoughts alone into a child, it is in effect brainwashing. It is also not in national interest to narrow the diversity of thoughts in the population - it limits the collective creative ability. Though of course it is politically profitable to condition generation after generation into believing authorized answers to be right.

People are not islands. People influence each other. The diversity a person brings influences the world around him through his interactions. Thoughts spread. In the long run, the longer we have a world where state sanctioned syllabus is the fundamental accomplishment, the worse we will lose our diversity. Our arts, traditions, "jugaadu" tendencies, entrepreneurs, knowledge on a wide variety of life essential occupations not covered by a syllabus or course. We will increasingly be the world's back office without an original thought, but excellent at doing as told. The education system simply does not recognize the value of originality!

And I am not being paranoid. We already see it in the population. Narrow bands of thinking, lack of belief in own ability to do anything technical that you are not qualified for. More use of disposable products, less reuse or adapting of products - look at how our parents used things around the household and how we do it. We have actually started believing that cotton wrapped around the end of a matchstick is harmful for our ears and we NEED cotton wrapped around a plastic stick in a factory in order to not destroy our ears. We believe that women cannot use cloth sanitary napkins and be healthy - they MUST use those created specifically for the purpose and with plastic lining, etc. I know someone who purchased a magnifying glass while he had a broken binocular and several SLR lenses at home - was far more powerful than the thingy he purchased because it was not a magnifying glass and he didn't think of it. How much time does it take to look through a lens and check if it is useful? (just some examples out of thousands)

Diversity of knowledge in the population cannot be enriched by teaching everyone the same thing for ten years. At least the ones who don't wish to should be allowed to choose their way, not just to enrich their own lives, but keep diversity alive as well.

Is this an intellectual vision worth having for a country?

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Vidyut <wide.aware-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Sarbajit, I'm not talking of entirely left alone as in state should ignore education of children. However, there is a need to recognize various forms of education and allow parents and children to choose while there is no evidence of abuse and it is clear that the interest of the child is paramount. The current definition of education is not just extremely narrow, it ends up imposing a lot of useless things and demands a great sacrifice from children and parents for sheer lack of prioritizing the well being of children and fixating on standardization to the point of imposing standardization of a sub-standard system.

The Right To Education Act is turning into a Compulsory Assembly line Child Rearing Act. The exclusion of alternative schooling and homeschooling has nothing to do with the rights of children to education and everything to do with controlling what children know and how they know it by the state. I fail to see how if censoring news is a violation of our fundamental rights, censoring education to a narrow state defined band is not.

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hi

1) Are you chasiing the "right to be left alone" which includes the right to child rearing (google site:indiankanoon.org for this).

" It   follows   that   the   "privacy"   of   a   person,   or   in   other   words   his   "private  information",   encompasses  the  personal  intimacies  of  the  home,  the  family,  marriage,   motherhood,   procreation,   child   rearing   and   of   the   like   nature. "

2) Home schooling could work for Rabindranath Tagore because of a vast supportive joint family system where the women were highly.educated (perhaps over-educated for the times). Read Chitra Deb's book on the women of the Tagore family (it has my name somewhere in the family trees)

Sarbajit


On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Vidyut <wide.aware-Re5JQEeQqe8@public.gmane.orgm> wrote:
I agree about the independent authority. In my view, it should come under the women and children welfare ministry. If homeschooled children can be registered as homeschoolers and for a fee, perhaps community monitoring or individual visits by observers would help ensure that homeschooling doesn't provide a smokescreen for child labour or abuse - for example, though it is too new in India for such misuse at this point (there are other excuses used that are more known and common, in other words). Or some other solution. However, such a solution must not impose a syllabus or tests - that defeats many of the reasons people homeschool. Life learning is not easy to quantify and test the way you can with a text book with specific questions and answers. Besides, homeschoolers learn very differently from school - the range of subjects is more diverse and there is no subject that is "compulsorily covered". Also homeschooled children tend to gravitate toward very advanced learning on the subjects they are interested in - as you see from the young ages of those who went for the IIT-JEE exams. There is no way to devise a standard test that could measure homeschooling performance with any reliability. Perhaps a more qualititative assessment - for example submissions of examples of whatever learning is going on - videos, photos of creations, copies of written work, etc. This will need a lot more debate than one person's view on the matter.

Emotional and social development is not a worry at all with homeschooling, in my view, though some parents have expressed concerns about their children not having homeschooled company to play with (many homeschoolers don't like the aggression of schooled children). However, to the best of my knowledge, I have yet to see a homeschooled child who cannot socialize excellently with the world. If you stop to think for a minute, when you take isolated sitting in class out of the picture, even that time is spent immersed in real world contact for homeschoolers. They learn in the real world, and as such, most homeschoolers are genuinely puzzled by why anyone would imagine they cannot function in the world they inhabit exclusively. As the parent of a homeschooling 16 year old put it once, "I don't know why people think socializing doesn't happen. All we do is socialize! Even when we are learning something else!"

Here is a description of a Homeschooling Conference I attended with my disabled son. I think it captures the social wisdom of homeschooled children very well.

Vidyut

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On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Vidyut <wide.aware-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
With due regard, JK Gaur, Tomar, Indira Gandhi or Smriti Irani are not homeschoolers. I fail to see how you can demonize a learning choice over the actions of those who never made it. They reflect the enslavement of school conditioning where self-worth is measured in numbers and papers and a lack feels threatening enough to fake having them.

Why not measure the worth of homeschooling with the actions of homeschoolers instead of products of the school system? Ignorance? While we tend to value everything the children do, here are some that ought to impress the worst slave of the education system as well.

Rabindranath Tagore was homeschooled. Sahal Kaushik, who topped IIT-JEE at the age of 14 in 2010 is homeschooled. Satyam Kumar, homeschooled son of a farmer cracked it at 12. Angad Daryani, who created India's first 3D printer is homeschooled. Shreya Sahai who fought and lost a case to get recognition for homeschooling at the age of 15 is homeschooled. Julian Assange, who founded Wikileaks is homeschooled. Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, Lewis Caroll, Robert Frost, Franklin Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Florence Nightingale and many many more inventors, artists, philosophers, reformers and more were homeschooled. Here is a list of homeschooled scientists. The site also contains other famous homeschooled people. Many Indian arts have survived because of homeschooling traditions from Sangeet gharanas and dance forms to elaborate silk weaves and musical instrument making. I have yet to meet a homeschooled child over 10 who wasn't doing anything interesting - that adults would find interesting and useful. This is far more than I can say about schooled graduates who spend 15 years chasing paper and still have no idea what they want to do. An average homeschoolers coference has everything from filmmakers to skateboarders and inventors to urban farmers. Probably not good enough for your standards. 

So you will pretend homeschooling is to blame for products of schooling with inferiority complexes over paper degress like Tomar or Irani or Tawde or Indira Gandhi or whoever. Because all you know outside the respect for schooling system is lack of respect for the garbage from the schooling system. Your examples have nothing to do with homeschooling. Yet you use them to deny rights of children who wish to do something worthwhile with their childhoods instead of your pet form of assembly line child raising.

There is considerable evidence that homeschooling is far better than school for emotional development at the very least.

Here are some more sources (different from previous email) if you are interested in being informed instead of simply demonizing something because you have decided it is bad.





Here are some of my views copy pasted from another place about the harms of school. As an unschooling parent who has not just been to school, but was a star student all through, and then led a diverse life including corporate training where much of the work is undoing the damage from school, these are my dead honest thoughts. They may be a bit extreme for those who believe in school, but at least they aren't blaming schoolers for acts of homeschoolers or vice versa:

Schools

  1. You might want to remember when any genius ever said, oh, I’m a genius because school taught me all the important things. That’s right, never. Its usually, mom, supportive family, special mentor, country, god, etc.A school is a facility to install softwares of a list of subjects on unformatted children and certify the output, so that they may be put to appropriate use on becoming adults. In other words, kids are glorified hard drives.
  2. Schools kill learning. Destroy ability to learn. Learning is a process of differentiation.This is red, this is blue. It is the discovery of the difference that I learn. A math problem can be figured out usefully by doing this and not this. Clearly, the process of being wrong is as important as the process of being right. If you cannot be wrong, you have validated nothing. You have only recorded what was told.
  3. If you don’t memorize railway timetables or helpline numbers, there is absolutely no reason to memorize biological species or latitude and longitude coordinates of a city.Schools are a criminal waste of the most learningful years of a child’s life.
  4. Think of the brain as a computer’s RAM. It caches information, but it is information it needs handy for instant application. Cluttering the cache limits its utility. We get children to memorize tomes and tomes of history, scientific classifications, geographical information, mathematical methods, and what not. Like any good cache, it flushes after the exams, or at worst, after education is complete. A school creates a fake need for storing information.
  5. What about English? A child can learn to read and write entirely from its interests.Video game rules, titles of cartoon films, story books, etc give way to chatting with girlfriends, reading up experiments…. whatever. When they have an interest that needs reading, they figure it out. If they don’t need it, there is no need, is there? If you write like Wren and Martin, you need to search for jobs in nineteenth century England. This is the language of the world. You find it on blogs, newspapers, instruction manuals, application forms and appointment letters.
  6. Language is about communication. And knowledge is about function. My excellent English grew through reading story books. I was absolutely addicted to story books. I used to hide them inside text books and read them in class. Lost count of how many got confiscated. I dare say I made a significant contribution to the school’s library. I used to read story books while waiting for exams to start. If I didn’t waste time on school, my English would have been even better.
  7. What about Maths? Prof Lockhart does a fantastic job of demolishing the myth of maths as taught in schools, and Joyce finishes the job for anyone who thinks a genius has different standards and they are more ordinary. Do read both. BTW, a calculator is cheaper than school fees. Here’s one by Ben Goldacre on the scientific ethics of schools and adults –Kids who spot bullshit, and the adults who get upset about it
  8. Now for the uncomfortable parts. School does kids harm. It has done you harm. It has done society harm. It has done me harm. The reason is that schools measure the worth of people. They respect or insult based on measures they decide and do damage, because they teach that human beings are less worthy if they don’t know something. They fail to comprehend or instill respect for the vast scope of genius existing in the world. They install inferiority complexes, superiority complexes, and an inability to recognize genuine knowledge growing wild. It diminishes people.
  9. Schools create artificial perceptions of narrow, age defined social comfort zones.People who hear this for the first time think I’m being unreasonable. They think kids preferother children their own age. If this were true, pre-school kids wouldn’t be tagging behind elder siblings in hero worship. It is an instinct to look at experienced members and learn. It is unnatural to avoid diversity. Pay attention – I am not saying relationships of same age are unnatural, I am saying it is unnatural not to venture outside those ages. Our society is fragmenting, as generations are unable to relate easily with each other. The few families with healthy relationships make it. The rest is a saga of all the generations finding the other generations inconvenient at best and intolerable more often.
  10. Schools create a culture of isolation. That would seem surprising considering how there are so many children, and you remember having friends…. but you can socialize and be alone without the ability to form meaningful relationships. Schools police interpersonal relations to an astonishingly harmful degree. It is natural for two people with a common problem to join forces in solving it. In real life, we call it team working. In school, the challenges are called examinations, and collaboration is called cheating. There is shame, stigma and a strong emphasis on NOT giving or accepting assistance and solving problems on your own. Then, you go to work, and suddenly the school ideas are the ones creating most of your trouble. You can’t ask for help, you can’t accept help, because you are “worth less” if you do that.You agree to teamwork, but still communicate final versions. Silo culture. There are now increasing cases of depression, suicides and loneliness in school children.
  11. Schools are a market. A big, profitable market, where the consumers have no rights.
  12. The education system is INEFFICIENT. In a world where efficiency and speed are important, the size of education only increases, becomes more and more schizophrenic and irrelevant to reality. Increasingly, the products of this education system are worthless in real life<== READ! They find it difficult to see opportunity in a city like Mumbai (<== READ!), where my illiterate maid earns Rs.12,000/- a month. Basically, our education system is still geared to produce clerks in the British Raj.
  13. Schools teach very few of the life important skills, and little that is useful for non-white collar jobs. A train driver earns a good income, but kids are not exposed to it as an opportunity. They are herded toward academic brilliance as though it were an Olympic sport and functionality were not important.
  14. I don’t even want to talk about all the class stereotypes this creates. Intelligent, respectworthy people score well in exams.This has been disproved so many times, its irrational. But what do you expect in a country where people become teachers because they couldn’t get better jobs?
  15. The education doesn’t create a foundation going beyond the known or fighting the horizon and breaking through. The idea is to do what is already established, excellently. A child is innovative by nature. A doer, experimenter, natural scientist. It is a creative lobotomy to force them to become like this.
I am sorry if this post appears excessively ranting, but with our children's rights at stake, it really is not funny when ignorant people demonize us for the actions of the school system.

Vidyut

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On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
24/6/15

Academic excellence should not be the sole criterion for determining a good school. Physical,social and emotional development is equally important for a child int he age group of 6 to 14. How will home schooling take care of these aspects. 
Secondly there has to be an independent authority to judge the competence of the  HomeSchool children at some stage.
Some NGOs have considered taking the PIL route for quality education but have decided against it.
Tomar is not the first to make a false claim. Indira Gandhi was in Oxford but did not complete the degree but claimed to be an alumnus.There are some other names as well, the latest being Smriti Irani. Education confers social repectability and employability. That is why it is a flourishing racket.
Education is also becoming a racket- some industrial houses have jumped into it in the garb of CSR
and grabing large parcels of land in the name of quality education from primary to postgraduage level.
Regds JKGaur

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The quintessence of the views expressed by my learned friends is that we should send children to school that also to a recongnised school and not depend on home schooling but it is doubtful whether good schools are available within reasonable distance otherwise any transport made available by school authorities.
On Jun 15, 2015 8:36 AM, "R. Dua" <r.dua1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Point understood Vidyut ji.
We all want good ppl to be at the helm of affairs.And childhood is the right time to guide them.
Regards.

On 14 Jun 2015 20:38, "Vidyut" <wide.aware-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Also, I don't get the reference to Jeetendra Tomar. To the best of my knowledge, Tomar is a product of a system that values those itty bitty degrees, which is why he had to steal what he didn't have. This is not the act of a homeschooler that you are using to dismiss homeschooling.

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On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:24 PM, R. Dua <r.dua1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

One appreciates the social workers good intention.
But as we are seeing Delhi's ex law minister..wats his name, jitender tomar of aap, trying his best to build an a escape route thru various univ's in n out widout any success.
A regular education has no parallel at any level or grade.
Else we will be having high sounding empty vessels all over the place.
We are thankful to authorities for bringing this forward.
Regards to all.

On 8 Jun 2015 07:55, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
PIL as proposed will not fly

A legal solution to your problem is to take the religious route for MINORITIES .
Art 30(1) and obtain a certificate saying you are an Esperanto speaker / Anusthanic Brahmo Samajists etc. enabling you to run your own school

BTW: It seems the RTE Act acknowledges homeschooling


On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Vidyut <wide.aware-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
The RTE does not allow homeschooling. The education system we have is frankly pathetic and does little to nothing to provide a useful foundation for life. We are still into memorizing and testing recall in an age of pen drives. Spending hours calculating square roots when every mobile has a calculator and we have more mobiles than toilets. On the other hand, things we'd imagine are life essentials - how is your electricity bill calculated and how to pay it or even what your rights are as a child and what can you do if your rights are violated is something you never learn in school.

TEN years of basic education does not make students competent for basic jobs and they must cater to the education inflation craze to be able to make a living. Ten years is a lot of time. We don't see a two hour film without checking reviews to see if it is worth it, yet think nothing of occupying ten of the most eventful years of a child's life with school.

What is it that the schooling system teaches and that we need in life that takes ten years to learn? 

Alternative schools and homeschooling parents attempt to make education more relevant and useful to children. Study after study has shown homeschooling in particular in far more favorable light than schooling systems.

India has a small but growing community of homeschoolers who are constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop as the noose tightens around their necks.

Most of us are determined that we'd rather face jail ourselves than send our beloved children into one. Yet we are left with little choice than to keep our heads down and continue our "illegal" activity (recently removing a child from school was also termed 'criminal'!) and hope that we never end up facing the law over it.

It also hinders the children's rights in many ways. Many events or competitions accept student entries through their schools and homeschoolers not having a school name to put in the form can become ineligible to participate. Scholarships that could dramatically enhance a child's scope (homeschooling isn't cheap) cannot be applied for without the name of the school where the child is learning.

Worse, there are places where officials from the education system keep visiting families to insist that the children be sent to school. Alarming reports of government notices to parents not sending children to school.

Would it be possible to file a PIL stating that while the RTE is an excellent MINIMUM to offer children, it is hardly the ideal education a child can receive and parents or organizations attempting to raise the bar should not be prevented and forced to accept the mediocre?

Advice would be much useful, as we are a small and scattered community with little experience with rights struggles and we have vulnerable children we want to do right to. So there is some fear of being in the government/judiciary's notice with our child's name on record as violating the RTE.

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Sarbajit Roy | 26 Jun 06:58 2015
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[IAC#RG] Fwd: Complaint of Delhi Police's corruption in matter of Dy.CM GoNCTD

To:
The Commissioner,
Delhi Police


Sir

Kindly refer to the appended email from o/o Secy. to Hon'ble LG of Delhi forwarding to you my complaint regarding corruption in Delhi Police in matter of challaning a motor vehicle transporting.so-called Dy. Chief Minister of Delhi

I would be obliged to receive your prompt acknowledgement of my complaint clearly indicating the time to resolution of the same. 

NB: I am further aggrieved that the expensively advertised helpline 1064 of Delhi Police failed to register my complaint against Delhi Police.
 
sincerely

Sarbajit Roy
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024

Tel ; 08010205897


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From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:53 pm
Subject: Complaint of Delhi Police's corruption in matter of Dy.CM GoNCTD
To: seclg <seclg-R9E+szwozl8@public.gmane.org>, cp.bsbassi-R9E+szwozl8@public.gmane.org, indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+ITJKyXWHL8w@public.gmane.org.net

> To:
> The Hon'ble LG of Delhi
> through Secretary to LG
>
> cc: Commissioner of Delhi Police
> cc: Members of India Against Corruption jan andolan
>
> BY EMAIL
>
> Your Excellency
>
> I am caused to complain that the Delhi Police Traffic Unit
> (North East
> District) represented by its ACP was corruptly induced to let off
> against token challan the vehicle of Mr. Manish Sisodia, who
> represents himself in media to be Deputy Chief Minister of Delhi,
> after it was caught after a lengthy high speed chase to avoid arrest
> on or around June 12 2015 - as reported in national media.
>
> Accordingly, and on behalf of India Against Corruption people's
> movement, I complain as follows:-
>
> It deserves statutory inquiry to determine why the expensive advanced
> interceptor vehicles, such as powerful motorcycles, of Delhi Police
> could not stop / catch up with the fleeing offender's vehicle,
> and the
> fleeing vehicle was fortunately stopped by members of the public at
> great personal risk near Wazirabad barrage, enabling the vehicle
> to be
> nabbed by Delhi Police.
>
> It deserves statutory inquiry to determine why the vehicle of this
> fleeing offender was not searched and/or impounded by the local
> police.
>
> It deserves statutory inquiry to determine why the driver /
> owner of
> this fleeing offender was not arrested and produced before the
> magistrate for commission of cognisable offence/s under Indian Penal
> Code. Furthermore, ought not the local police thana to have
> taken over
> the matter to prosecute the IPC offences ?
>
> It deserves statutory inquiry to determine if any police
> officer/s or
> personal security officer/s were present within the vehicle at the
> time of the offences, and why they did not report / stop the offences
> being committed in their presence.
>
> It deserves statutory inquiry to determine if any police officer/s
> instructed the challaning officer/s to let off the vehicle
> against a
> token compounding fee of Rs. 400 only for minor offence of speeding,
> or whether the challaning officer allowed himself to be charmed
> by the
> vehicle's occupant/s, its red light/beacon, its special registration
> number - and thereby corrupted for personal gain.
>
> It deserves statutory inquiry to determine if the offence of
> over-speeding accompanied by fleeing from the scene to avoid
> prosecution can be compounded at all only under Motor Vehicles
> Act in
> the facts and circumstances of the matter as widely reported.
>
> It deserves statutory inquiry to determine if the vehicle and/or its
> occupants were involved in commission of any other offence.
>
> It deserves a statutory inquiry to ascertain how the offence was
> compounded for Rs. 400 when the prescribed compounding fee of GoNCTD
> is Rs. 360 for this offence. It needs to be ascertained where the
> excess Rs. 40 has been paid / who has pocketed it.
>
> Kindly take cognisance of my complaint as narrated above and ensure
> that action under law is taken and also the corrupt officers involved
> are identified and charge-sheeted.
>
> NB: The Delhi Police anti-corruption help-line no. 1064 has today
> morning expressed its inability to record my complaint in such a high
> profile case.
>
> sincerely
>
> Er. Sarbajit Roy
> B-59 Defence Colony
> New Delhi 110024
>
> Tel : 08010205897 (Mob)
>
> Re: [IAC#RG] DELHI POLICEMAN WHO STOPPED SPEEDING CAR OF DELHI
> DY. C M
>
> On 6/20/15, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > To>
> > India Against Corruption
> >
> >
> >
> *                                                  DELHI  POLICEMAN  WHO
> >  STOPPED  SPEEDING CAR OF DELHI DY. C M*
> >
> >
> > *It is extremely gratifying to know that a traffic policeman
> in Delhi had
> > the courage of conviction to stop the speeding car of Delhi
> Dy.C.M and he
> > issued a challan of Rs.400/- to the driver who had to pay the
> fine , while
> > the Dy.C.M. simply watched helplessly. Certainly, the act of
> this traffic
> > policeman need to be recognised and his act must be commended
> by every one
> > who decry VIP culture in the country. *
> >
> > *Many  feel strongly about the arrogant behaviour of so
> called VVIP s (very
> > very irritating people)   and VIPs (very irritating
> people)  but do
> > nothing.  They have a lesson or two to learn from this
> courageous Delhi
> > traffic policeman, who now looks like a role model for other
> crusaders.*>
> > *Why did the Delhi Dy.C.M allow his driver to drive beyond the
> permissible> speed limit ? Is he not aware of the rule or he
> thought that being a
> > Dy.C.M,  he can violate all rules. Perhaps, he thought
> that no traffic
> > policeman would dare to stop his car. But, we have a traffic
> policeman who
> > had the courage to do so. *
> >
> > *Those politicians who talk about aam aadmi all the time but conduct
> > themselves  as if they have come from heaven , should
> know that day is not
> > far off when real aam aadmi would assert himself towards the
> cause of
> > restoring  probity in public life and responsible
> behaviour amongst those
> > in power.*
> >
> >
> > *N.S.Venkataraman*
> >
> > *Nandini Voice For The Deprived*
> >
> > *Email:- nsvenkatchennai-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <nsvenkatchennai-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>*
> >
> >
> *              nandinivoice.org <http://nandinivoice.org>*
> >

Shri S C L DAS
Secretary to Lt. Governor,
Delhi.


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Venkatraman Ns | 23 Jun 16:27 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] DELHI POLICEMAN WHO STOPPED SPEEDING CAR OF DELHI DY.C M

I am thankful to everyone who responded to my message on Delhi policeman who stopped the speeding car of Delhi Dy. CM.  I am surprised that  some critical observations have been made about the Delhi policeman.

One observation was that policeman stopped the speeding car , since Delhi police  is not under Delhi government. Another observation  was that drivers do not listen to the passenger and therefore Dy. CM cannot be blamed.  Yet another observation was that Delhi Dy.CM was in the back seat  and can not know that the driver was over speeding. One more observation was that Dy.CM did not interfere while the driver was speaking to the policeman and  the driver paid the fine.

There is no news that Dy. CM reprimanded the driver for his offence  and the driver was an employee of Delhi government.

The essential fact  is that the policeman had the courage to stop the so called VVIP,  when his car was over speeding. Today, many of us are scared to protest against wrong doings , whether it is a minister or any other politician or a bureaucrat . Certainly, the policeman took a risk , since the Dy.CM can  take him to task in some other way, if he would so desire, even if Delhi police is not under Delhi government.

With bold and honest  acts in public life  becoming  a rare occurrence these days, it is necessary to compliment the Delhi policeman. I only wish that someone in Delhi would  organise a function to honour this trend setter. I am in Chennai.
N.S.Venkataraman
Nandini Voice For The Deprived

 



On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 6:19 AM, Pramod Pushkarna <pkpushkarna-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Dear  friends , We all are having fun of  Dy. CM DELHI, But   all these  traffic cops  run away  when traffic is crowlling moving bumper to bomper, AMBULANCE  dont get way,patient dies on way to hospital when the y stop traffic on VIP movement , Why no traffic police also be penalise for tha. its shame on traffic police  when they  slap woman throw brick on her.  Please recomand  Gallantary award to them for this achievement SHAME....

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On Sunday, 21 June 2015 11:26 AM, Kewalarora <cdrarora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:


Indeed the police man needs to be commended for his action.

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 20, 2015, at 6:47 AM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

To

India Against Corruption


                                                  DELHI  POLICEMAN  WHO  STOPPED  SPEEDING CAR OF DELHI DY. C M

It is extremely gratifying to know that a traffic policeman in Delhi had the courage of conviction to stop the speeding car of Delhi Dy.C.M and he issued a challan of Rs.400/- to the driver who had to pay the fine , while the Dy.C.M. simply watched helplessly. Certainly, the act of this traffic policeman need to be recognised and his act must be commended by every one who decry VIP culture in the country.
Many  feel strongly about the arrogant behaviour of so called VVIP s (very very irritating people)   and VIPs (very irritating people)  but do nothing.  They have a lesson or two to learn from this courageous Delhi traffic policeman, who now looks like a role model for other crusaders.
Why did the Delhi Dy.C.M allow his driver to drive beyond the permissible speed limit ? Is he not aware of the rule or he thought that being a Dy.C.M,  he can violate all rules. Perhaps, he thought that no traffic policeman would dare to stop his car. But, we have a traffic policeman who had the courage to do so.
Those politicians who talk about aam aadmi all the time but conduct themselves  as if they have come from heaven , should know that day is not far off when real aam aadmi would assert himself towards the cause of restoring  probity in public life and responsible behaviour amongst those in power.

N.S.Venkataraman
Nandini Voice For The Deprived
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Date: 20 June 2015 at 05:46
Subject: KIC RECOMMENDS DISCIPLINAY ACTIN AGAINST FIRST APPELLATE AUTHORITY

It is mandatory to hear and dispose off First Appeals filed under Section
19(1) of the RTI Act by the First Appellate Authorities. It is observed by
the KIC that majority of First Appellate Authorities neither heard the
first appeals nor passed any speaking orders. This has resulted in
mounting pendency before the Informatin Commission. Therefore Commission
decided to recommend for Disciplinary Action against the First Appellate
Authorities.

Commission in their order dated 26.5.2015 recommended for initiating
Disciplinary Action against Revenue Officer, Bommanahalli Valaya, who was
the first appellate authority, for his failure to dispose off the first
appeal under the Act.

A COPY OF THE ORDER ISSUED BY THE KARNATAKA INFORMATION COMMISSION IN KIC
12186 APL 2014 DATED 26.5.2015 IS ATTACHED for your reference and guidance.

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ravindra malhotra | 24 Jun 06:40 2015
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RE: [IAC#RG] DELHI POLICEMAN WHO STOPPED SPEEDING CAR OF DELHI DY. C M

Who so ever is controlling traffic police, are they doing their job? Criminals and petti politicians  roam
about freely with red and blue beacons on their cars, at crossings there is free for all - vehicles
obstructing  lanes for traffic coming from opposite side as well as cars tuning right obstructing traffic
of all other lanes - all in the presence of half a dozen policemen. There is never a challan or fine for these
vehicles causing huge and un necessary jams. No vehicle bothers for pedastrians even at pedestrian
crossings. On Delhi Gurgaon expressway, where slow vehicle - 3 wheelers were not permitted, they are now
ruling the roost and run in the fast lanes, other traffic crawling behind them, after 9 PM,  trucks blocking
all the 4 lanes causing all other traffic to crawl  zigzag to move along.

R.N.Malhotra 
Former Chairman Railway Board 

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On Mon, 6/22/15, Gaur J K <gaurjk@...> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] DELHI POLICEMAN WHO STOPPED SPEEDING CAR OF DELHI DY. C M
 To: "indiaresists@..." <indiaresists@...>
 Date: Monday, June 22, 2015, 12:02 PM

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 #yiv4138037557 If the
 police was under the control of the State Govt., the
 policeman would have not dared to Challan the Dy. C.M at the
 risk of transfer/suspense.It is precisely for such
 reasons that they want the police under their control to do
 their bidding.
 But is charging Rs.400/- the
 norm for over-speeding? Is a policeman authorised to collect
 on the spot fine?How did the traffic policeman
 determined over-speeding? By observation, speedometer or any
 other device.There is more to this incident that
 meets the eye.JKGaur
 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015
 08:47:05 -0500
 From:
 nsvenkatchennai@...
 To:
 indiaresists@...
 Subject:
 [IAC#RG] DELHI POLICEMAN WHO STOPPED SPEEDING CAR OF DELHI
 DY. C M

 To
 India Against
 Corruption

 

                                                  
 DELHI  POLICEMAN  WHO  STOPPED
  SPEEDING CAR OF DELHI DY. C
 M

 
 It is extremely
 gratifying to know
 that a traffic policeman in Delhi had the courage of
 conviction to stop the
 speeding car of Delhi Dy.C.M and he issued a challan of
 Rs.400/- to the driver
 who had to pay the fine , while the Dy.C.M. simply watched
 helplessly.
 Certainly, the act of this traffic policeman need to be
 recognised and his act
 must be commended by every one who decry VIP culture in the
 country. 

 Many 
 feel strongly about the arrogant behaviour of so called VVIP
 s (very
 very irritating people)   and VIPs (very
 irritating people)  but do nothing.  They have a lesson or
 two to learn from this
 courageous Delhi traffic policeman, who now looks like a
 role model for other
 crusaders.

 Why did the Delhi
 Dy.C.M allow his driver
 to drive beyond the permissible speed limit ? Is he not
 aware of the rule or he
 thought that being a Dy.C.M,  he can
 violate all rules. Perhaps, he thought that no traffic
 policeman would dare to
 stop his car. But, we have a traffic policeman who had the
 courage to do so. 

 Those politicians
 who talk about aam
 aadmi all the time but conduct themselves 
 as if they have come from heaven , should know that day is
 not far off
 when real aam aadmi would assert himself towards the cause
 of restoring  probity in public life and responsible
 behaviour amongst those in power.
 N.S.VenkataramanNandini Voice For
 The DeprivedEmail:-
nsvenkatchennai@...              nandinivoice.org

 

 
  

 

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