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headers mike | 15 Mar 2007 17:08 · /iPod/

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It looks like things might be happening at last:

  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/03/peter_jenner/

A conference, 15-Nov:

  http://www.musictank.co.uk/bts_conference.htm

Seems like there is something interesting going on here anyway.

Jim

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Hi all,

Our Irish peers, Digital Rights Ireland, are doing something worth
supporting:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/15/digital_rights_ireland_data_retention_lawsuit/

Any suggestions for constructive ways to help them ?
Their web-site is:
http://www.digitalrights.ie/
and they have a donations page:
http://www.digitalrights.ie/support

	Eddy.

Bruce Schneier wryly observes <quote
src="http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,71738-0.html?tw=wn_index_6">

  Any guess on how long it will take Microsoft to patch Media Player
  once again? And then how long before the FairUse4WM people update
  their own software?

  Certainly much less time than it will take Microsoft and the recording
  industry to realize they're playing a losing game, and that trying to
  make digital files uncopyable is like trying to make water not wet.

</quote> This relates to a war of patches between Mordor and some
(hopefully hard to sue) entity called FairUse4WM; the war, thus far, has
already exposed the nakedness of the emperor, as it concerns the monthly
patch charade - it has shown that Suaruon careth only as to show but not
as to effect, as concerns its customers' welfare, 'though it [*] sucketh
mightilie, and with eagerness, upon the great organ of the coprolyth [%]
lobbie.

[*] Some spellynges may be of debatable credibilitye, notwithstanding
    http://houseoffame.blogspot.com/
    (Whyche I do commende unto mine rederes.)
    My excuse is the lateness of the houre [%].
    The ethanol consumption hath nothinge to doe with it, ossifer [!]
[%] Errores are, consekwently, to be expected.
    As to forgiveness, the readeres disxretion is frie,

	E-Jit.
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[!] An aquifer bears water (aqua).  Ergo, an ossifer bears bones.

Hi all,

Here's the Duke Law Centre for the Study of the Public Domain's
educational cartoon-strip about copyright law, the public domain and
related issues:
  http://www.law.duke.edu/cspd/comics/

They say the intend this as the first in a series,

	Eddy.

I found a reference to the Selfridges Speedpod service in the London store
where they load your iPod with music off your CDs.....so breaking UK
Copyright Law. I wonder if Selfridges checked this with their legal
department before offering it...

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire.php/news/pa/2005/12/26/technology/newipodservicefortechnodunces.html&template=/technology/templates/pa/st.sageanalyst.net

Anyone fancy talking to "Selfridges technologies buyer" James Tanner about
it?

Hi All,

The All-Party Internet Group is soliciting comments about proposed/
potential changes in copyright law relating to DRM.

I already sent in my opinions pointing out that rights granted to
copyright holder are already excessive and that DRM and its legal
protections give copyright holders the ability to write their
own laws. I proposed that any future legislation should ensure
that this cannot happen, and suggested that the penalty for
using DRM to extend rights beyond those granted by law should
be the loss of the legal protection for the DRM.

I also suggested that our representatives should work to reduce
the durations of copyright to that agreed in the Berne Convention
and other WIPO treaties, and in the future should work inside
WIPO to reduce further the duration of copyright and the rights
afforded to publishers.

I got an acknowledgement in reply, which appeared to be personally
written rather than machine-generated, so it might be worthwhile
if more people also sent in their thoughts.

Send your comments to admin@... --- address from memory, so
I hope it's right. In any case, the address for comments is the
contact address on their website www.apig.org.uk

Dave

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David Haworth                                            dave@...
Baiersdorf, Germany.

iriXx wrote:
> especially as, in the UK, I would not be able to own, let alone play my 
> (safely in storage) collection of still-in-copyright but impossible to 
> obtain tapes of folk music LPs from the former USSR in the UK. I would 
> also stress that I now live in a country where personal copying is 
> permissible.
>  ... 
> Is one permitted to copy one's own music to an /iPod/ in the UK? I 
> presume also not.
> in which case 99.9% of iPod owners are breaking the law... the only ones 
> who are not are the ones who have repurchased their own copies online. 
> Might be a little shock to the rather smug iPod users who think they've 
> gone 'legit'....

(Disclaimer: all AIUI)

I think the issue is simply that it's illegal to copy (including 
media-shifting) 'content' - be it music, video, ebooks, whatever - 
without the permission of the copyright-holder, except under the 'fair 
use' provisions.

You're obviously allowed to do whatever you wish with your own content, 
assuming you're the copyright holder - you're implicitly assumed to have 
your own permission to copy it.

I also assume that if you've, say, purchased content online from iTunes 
that the EULA allows you to copy said-content onto your iPod (and 
indeed, I understand that the iTunes software makes that trivial).

Whether it's legal to copy a CD of content for which you're not the 
copyright holder onto another medium depends completely upon the 'fair 
use' provisions in your country and, simply speaking, there aren't any 
in the UK, so it's illegal.

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Nick Grimshaw
{ if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate }

[sent 2nd time as 1st copy didn't go to list]

> As I understand it, it's legal to import copyright material as long as the
> copying, had it occurred within the UK, would have been legal under UK
> law.
> Therefore no, you can't, as it would have been illegal to copy it in the
> UK.

Which also means if you are flying from one country to another via the UK
for example (say a 2 hour transfer at Heathrow) that in principle you're
breaking UK law if you've got your iPod/whatever with you. Same goes for
people with portable video players if they have any films on them (unless
they're recorded off TV for timeshifting purposes). Many (most?) other
countries also don't have "fair use" provisions in their copyright law so
any of us travelling with our music player are now international
criminals......doh!

BTW I was in Virgin Megastore at lunchtime and just behind the counter was
a big poster about digital media players "encouraging" you to rip your
music CDs and transfer them to music players. Isn't there some sort of
legal offence of "encouraging someone to break the law"??????

Most of you will already be aware the term extensions for performer 
copyright is a hot issue right now in the UK and that the BPI have been 
lobbying hard. It also seems that Mr Purnell, the Minister for Creative 
Industries, is currently in favour so it's definitely the time to make 
your voice heard. Thus I would like to encourage everyone who wants to 
and hasn't already to *sign up to the petition* regarding copyright 
extensions via:

http://14plus14.freeculture.org.uk/entry/new

If you have the time you can also add your personal testimony -- it 
really adds to the impact even if it is only a sentence or two.

(see http://14plus14.freeculture.org.uk/ for existing submissions)

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think might be interested.

Regards,

Rufus Pollock

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