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Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking | 16 Jun 2003 03:26
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OK. What's with the IPv6 mib draft?

I'm jumping in new here and I'm keeping up with
the regular drafts, but I don't see any email
about the IPv6 mib (And Mukesh is out of town).

Apparently we are past due on the milestone for
that draft (ipv6 mib). Who is working on it? What state
is it in?

Speaking of which...I'm not quite sure why WGs have
two documents...one for IPv6 and one for IPv4.
Wouldn't there be cases where IPv6 and IPv4 were
coexisting on the same LAN, so therefore there might
be routers performing VRRP for both IPv6 and IPv4
simultaneously? I'd think it would be easier for
an implementer if there were one spec, that told
you how to do both simultaneously, since there
also might be some interactions that would have
to be thought about when doing both IPv6 and IPv4
simultaneously.

Thanks...

Radia

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BJewell | 16 Jun 2003 20:13

RE: OK. What's with the IPv6 mib draft?


There has been some work going on for the VRRP V6 MIB in background. The intention was to post it to the Mailing
List soon. But, we've all been pretty busy, so I think the draft has fallen a little behind. 

Here's the list of authors:

Kalyan.Tata <at> nokia.com;  Kripakaran.Karlekar <at> nokia.com; bjewell <at> coppermountain.com;

Thanks.

-Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking
[mailto:Radia.Perlman <at> sun.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 6:27 PM
To: vrrp <at> ietf.org
Subject: [VRRP] OK. What's with the IPv6 mib draft?

I'm jumping in new here and I'm keeping up with
the regular drafts, but I don't see any email
about the IPv6 mib (And Mukesh is out of town).

Apparently we are past due on the milestone for
that draft (ipv6 mib). Who is working on it? What state
is it in?

Speaking of which...I'm not quite sure why WGs have
two documents...one for IPv6 and one for IPv4.
Wouldn't there be cases where IPv6 and IPv4 were
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Kalyan.Tata | 16 Jun 2003 21:07
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RE: OK. What's with the IPv6 mib draft?

hi Radia,
	Brian Jewell, Karlekar Kripakaran  and myself are working on this draft.
	The draft is almost ready except for some minor corrections and formatting 
	issues. We are working on this and should be ready in a week.
	We are expected to submit this by june 26th (that is the date given by Mukesh).
	
	On the question of why we need two documents, We did investigate the possibility
	of having one VRRP MIB that would work with both VRRP over IPv4 and IPv6.
	
	From what we understood from RFC 3291, MIB modules that are inherently IP version 
	specific should be separate documents. We verified this with Bob Hinden and he 
	confirmed that VRRPv2 is dependant on IPv4 and VRRPv3 is dependant on IPv6 and 
	that these are two separate (though similar) protocols. 

	I also talked to some VRRP protocol developers regarding the
	implementation of VRRPv6, and they too seem to agree that VRRP over IPv6
	and the corresponding MIB should be separate from the existing protocol/
	MIB.

	So our agenda was:
	Defining a completely new MIB for VRRP-IPv6 (which is to a 
	large extent similar to RFC 2787)
	- which uses inetAddress / inetAddressType,
	- Add any new objects that IPv6 specific,
	- Remove any objects that are not relevant to IPv6 (there are some)
	- Add more clarifications to the existing objects if needed.

Thanks
kalyan
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Kalyan.Tata | 16 Jun 2003 21:17
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RE: OK. What's with the IPv6 mib draft?

hi, the due date is June 23rd not 26 as I mentioned in my previous mail.
thanks
kalyan

-----Original Message-----
From: Tata Kalyan (NIC/MtView) 
Sent: 16 June, 2003 12:07
To: 'radia.perlman <at> sun.com'; vrrp <at> ietf.org
Cc: Karlekar Kripakaran (NIC/MtView); 'bjewell <at> coppermountain.com'
Subject: RE: [VRRP] OK. What's with the IPv6 mib draft?

hi Radia,
	Brian Jewell, Karlekar Kripakaran  and myself are working on this draft.
	The draft is almost ready except for some minor corrections and formatting 
	issues. We are working on this and should be ready in a week.
	We are expected to submit this by june 26th (that is the date given by Mukesh).
	
	On the question of why we need two documents, We did investigate the possibility
	of having one VRRP MIB that would work with both VRRP over IPv4 and IPv6.
	
	From what we understood from RFC 3291, MIB modules that are inherently IP version 
	specific should be separate documents. We verified this with Bob Hinden and he 
	confirmed that VRRPv2 is dependant on IPv4 and VRRPv3 is dependant on IPv6 and 
	that these are two separate (though similar) protocols. 

	I also talked to some VRRP protocol developers regarding the
	implementation of VRRPv6, and they too seem to agree that VRRP over IPv6
	and the corresponding MIB should be separate from the existing protocol/
	MIB.
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Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking | 23 Jun 2003 21:43
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Need agenda items for the IETF meeting

Please send ideas for things to talk about at the
next IETF meeting. I'd prefer you "multicast"
it to the vrrp list rather than unicasting to me
and Mukesh, but if you're shy, feel free to
just send it to us.

Thanks,

Radia

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Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking | 27 Jun 2003 01:10
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Re: Need agenda items for the IETF meeting

>>It would be nice to hear about proposals that would introduce
>>sub-second timers to VRRP.

Thank you for being the first to volunteer to
be on the agenda. Can I put a name next to this topic, since
you are not going to be there? Can that person do a presentation
to lead off the discussion? How much time do you think would
be appropriate?

Thanks,

Radia

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Bob Hinden | 27 Jun 2003 01:34
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Re: Need agenda items for the IETF meeting

You can put me down to review the new VRRP drafts.  I may get another 
update done, but if not we discuss the comments made on the list.

Bob

At 12:43 PM 6/23/2003, Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking wrote:
>Please send ideas for things to talk about at the
>next IETF meeting. I'd prefer you "multicast"
>it to the vrrp list rather than unicasting to me
>and Mukesh, but if you're shy, feel free to
>just send it to us.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Radia
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>vrrp mailing list
>vrrp <at> ietf.org
>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vrrp

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Internet-Drafts | 27 Jun 2003 13:33
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I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-vrrp-ipv6-mib-00.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Definitions of Managed Objects for the VRRP IPv6
	Author(s)	: K. Tata
	Filename	: draft-ietf-vrrp-ipv6-mib-00.txt
	Pages		: 25
	Date		: 2003-6-26
	
This specification defines an extension to the Management Information 
Base (MIB) for use with SNMP-based network management. In particular, 
it defines objects for configuring, monitoring, and controlling 
routers that employ the Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol for IPv6 
as defined in draft-ietf-vrrp-ipv6-spec-04.txt [19]. 
This memo specifies a MIB module in a manner that is compliant with 
SMIv2 [5], and semantically identical to the SMIv1 definitions [2].

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-vrrp-ipv6-mib-00.txt

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type "cd internet-drafts" and then
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Robert (Bob) W. Hott | 27 Jun 2003 00:33
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Re: Need agenda items for the IETF meeting

Radia,
    About a month ago, there was a brief discussion about the
granularity of the timers and proprietary solutions that use sub-second
timers. Survivability solutions, such as VRRP are of interest to the US
Navy. Selecting proprietary implementations of VRRP, or similar
technologies, are desirable only when open standard solutions are not
available. It would be nice to hear about proposals that would introduce
sub-second timers to VRRP. Knowing that they may not scale for
Internet-wide solutions, such an interoperable, open standard could be
used for specific, controlled, networks with high
reliability/availability requirements.

    While I will not be in attendance, several co-workers will. We could
briefly discuss our needs, from a high level perspective, if needed. We
would be the end-user of such a capability. We would certainly like to
see this pursued with IPv6, if it is not looked at for IPv4. We would
interested in hearing about the potential adding such a capability into
VRRP, or the reasons why it should be avoided.

    Please consider this a request for such a discussion at the upcoming
IETF. Thank you.

Bob Hott

Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking wrote:

> Please send ideas for things to talk about at the
> next IETF meeting. I'd prefer you "multicast"
> it to the vrrp list rather than unicasting to me
> and Mukesh, but if you're shy, feel free to
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Mukesh.Gupta | 2 Jul 2003 00:34
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RE: Need agenda items for the IETF meeting

Hi Bob,

Sorry that your email had to wait for a while in the pending mail queue because it was probably not sent from
the email address that is subscribed to vrrp wg mailing list.

Would it be possible for any of your co-workers to prepare a small presentation on this and talk about it in
the meeting ?? We can certainly reserve a slot for this presentation. Is it possible for you to give us the
name of the person who is ready to talk about it in the meeting ?

regards
Mukesh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Robert (Bob) W. Hott [mailto:hottrw <at> nswc.navy.mil]
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:33 PM
> To: Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking; vrrp <at> ietf.org
> Cc: kodonog <at> titanic.nswc.navy.mil; dmarlow <at> titanic.nswc.navy.mil;
> bchappe <at> nswc.navy.mil; tplunke <at> titanic.nswc.navy.mil; Lee S Carmichael
> Subject: Re: [VRRP] Need agenda items for the IETF meeting
> 
> 
> Radia,
>     About a month ago, there was a brief discussion about the
> granularity of the timers and proprietary solutions that use 
> sub-second
> timers. Survivability solutions, such as VRRP are of interest 
> to the US
> Navy. Selecting proprietary implementations of VRRP, or similar
> technologies, are desirable only when open standard solutions are not
> available. It would be nice to hear about proposals that
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