Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz | 1 Aug 13:54 2000
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Re: Signed Headers and Newsgroups line


In <FyK531.H1I <at> clw.cs.man.ac.uk>, on 07/31/2000
   at 10:28 AM, chl <at> clw.cs.man.ac.uk (Charles Lindsey) said:

>Moderated-By: Joe Moderator <approvals <at> joe.com>
>   newsgroups="comp.lang.foo.moderated,comp.sys.bar"
>Moderated-By-1: <foo <at> announce.org> newsgroups=comp.lang.foo.announce

>The semantics is that a smart injector SHOULD now forward the article
>to the first moderated group in the Newsgroups header that is NOT
>mentioned in a Moderated-By header, and MAY (SHOULD?) add a normal
>Approved header (with a random moderator, or its own ID?) if it
>determines that the moderators of all the moderated groups have now
>done their bit.

<AOL>
I like it
</AOL>

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Russ Allbery | 4 Aug 07:54 2000
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Re: Signed Headers and Newsgroups line

Charles Lindsey <chl <at> clw.cs.man.ac.uk> writes:

> But to return to Russ' Approved-For, how does the following grab you?

> Moderated-By: Joe Moderator <approvals <at> joe.com>
>    newsgroups="comp.lang.foo.moderated,comp.sys.bar"
> Moderated-By-1: <foo <at> announce.org> newsgroups=comp.lang.foo.announce

The -1 shouldn't be necessary.  Apart from that, I like it.

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Russ Allbery | 4 Aug 07:53 2000
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Re: AOL and UTF-8

Erland Sommarskog <sommar-usefor <at> algonet.se> writes:

> Now, I'm a bit of junkie, so I made sure that I got a couple of full
> Unicode fonts, but I believe you get at least one even with the default
> installation of Office 2000.

This is the piece of information that I was missing; I wasn't aware that
such a font existed.  It includes everything such as Klingon and so forth
in the full Unicode space?  That must be a huge font.

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Erland Sommarskog | 4 Aug 11:57 2000
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Russ Allbery <rra <at> stanford.edu> writes:
> This is the piece of information that I was missing; I wasn't aware that
> such a font existed.  It includes everything such as Klingon and so forth
> in the full Unicode space?  That must be a huge font.

I don't think Klingon is in Unicode yet. (Or is it? I don't care.)

Yes, this is a huge font. The size of ARIALUNI.TTF is 24,1 megabytes.
(Or 23,0 megabytes, if you believe that mega stands for 1024 * 1024
when it prefixes "byte").
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz | 4 Aug 13:40 2000
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Re: AOL and UTF-8


In <200008040957.LAA04680 <at> kairos.algonet.se>, on 08/04/2000
   at 11:57 AM, sommar <at> algonet.se (Erland Sommarskog) said:

>Yes, this is a huge font. The size of ARIALUNI.TTF is 24,1 megabytes.
>(Or 23,0 megabytes, if you believe that mega stands for 1024 * 1024
>when it prefixes "byte").

23.0 Mibibytes. There's a whole new sequence of prefixes defined as
powers of 1024, which should encourage people to use the old ones
correctly.

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Kai Henningsen | 4 Aug 12:29 2000
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Re: AOL and UTF-8

rra <at> stanford.edu (Russ Allbery)  wrote on 03.08.00 in <ylpunpshbq.fsf <at> windlord.stanford.edu>:

> Erland Sommarskog <sommar-usefor <at> algonet.se> writes:
>
> > Now, I'm a bit of junkie, so I made sure that I got a couple of full
> > Unicode fonts, but I believe you get at least one even with the default
> > installation of Office 2000.
>
> This is the piece of information that I was missing; I wasn't aware that
> such a font existed.  It includes everything such as Klingon and so forth
> in the full Unicode space?  That must be a huge font.

I'm pretty sure Klingon is not yet in Unicode (though planned). And I'm  
not sure M$ will be able to cope, given that that'd be outside the 16 bit  
range just like the coming Chinese name characters (UCS-2 may be nice, but  
UTF-16 isn't).

Anyway, Xfree86 4.0 has some sort of unicode fonts, thanks to Markus Kuhn.

MfG Kai

Charles Lindsey | 7 Aug 14:49 2000
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Re: Signed Headers and Newsgroups line

In <ylk8dxsh9u.fsf <at> windlord.stanford.edu> Russ Allbery <rra <at> stanford.edu> writes:

>Charles Lindsey <chl <at> clw.cs.man.ac.uk> writes:

>> But to return to Russ' Approved-For, how does the following grab you?

>> Moderated-By: Joe Moderator <approvals <at> joe.com>
>>    newsgroups="comp.lang.foo.moderated,comp.sys.bar"
>> Moderated-By-1: <foo <at> announce.org> newsgroups=comp.lang.foo.announce

>The -1 shouldn't be necessary.  Apart from that, I like it.

The -1 is there so that moderators who wish to include digital signatures
covering their own bits can identify the bit they have signed. It is in
line the with Signed:, Signed-1:, Signed-2 etc (with matchinv Verified-n:)
of my main signature proposal.

Anyway, that is now two people who have said they like it. Do we want to
include it as a new header in our Draft? If so, then I would suggest the
next move would be to float the idea on the moderators mailing list, and
see what reactions we get.

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Jonathan Grobe | 28 Aug 01:22 2000
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ATTN: Dave Barr: Time to Finish up and Close List?

I haven't heard from our chair for a long time. Does he still read
the list?

It's clear that this list is not going to achieve any major 
breakthroughs; in fact the list has completely run out of steam.

I think our editor should just drop any of the controversial stuff
from the draft, tidy up any unfinished details, send it out to the list
for one last glance and then send it off to the appropriate people
for action.

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David Barr | 28 Aug 03:32 2000

Re: ATTN: Dave Barr: Time to Finish up and Close List?

On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 06:22:03PM -0500, Jonathan Grobe wrote:
> I haven't heard from our chair for a long time. Does he still read
> the list?

Yes :)

> It's clear that this list is not going to achieve any major 
> breakthroughs; in fact the list has completely run out of steam.
> 
> I think our editor should just drop any of the controversial stuff
> from the draft, tidy up any unfinished details, send it out to the list
> for one last glance and then send it off to the appropriate people
> for action.

Agreed.

--Dave

J. B. Moreno | 28 Aug 04:40 2000

Re: ATTN: Dave Barr: Time to Finish up and Close List?

On 8/27/00 9:32 PM, David Barr at <barr <at> visi.com> wrote:

>> I think our editor should just drop any of the controversial stuff
>> from the draft, tidy up any unfinished details, send it out to the list
>> for one last glance and then send it off to the appropriate people
>> for action.
> 
> Agreed.

I'd like to raise a little controversy then -- I think that multiple From
addresses is unnecessarily complex and difficult to parse.  I understand the
desire to be in line with MESSFOR, but don't see any reason why we can't be
more strict.

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