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Allison Mankin | 2 Apr 2004 22:03

IETF 59 minutes - amendable

Here are the TSVWG notes/minutes - thank you to Matt Zekauskas for
very kind scribing. 

Corrections to chairs - we are allowed to send some small amendments
after proceedings go online.

And we have some work to do, these remind us,

Allison

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The Transport Working Group (TSVWG) Meeting had a two hour slot at
IETF 59.  Matt Zekauskas took excellent notes (thank you).  
Allison Mankin and Jon Peterson chaired TSVWG.
This was the birth of the TCP Maintenance and Minor
Extensions Working Group (TCPM )and our slot was shared with TCPM,
which used the second hour and which has separate minutes.

The meeting was SRO, hard to find seats.

First was agenda-bashing.  We had planned an introductory discussion 
of a new effort, a draft that attempts to do a datagram version of
TLS.  This would be beneficial for applications that require an
unreliable service, but still desire the services provided by TLS.
The work is by Nagendra Modadugu and Eric Rescorla.

The impact of the formation of the split of TCPM from TSVWG is more
room in TSVWG for discussions of drafts - more time between the two
working groups.  The TCPM working group is chaired by Mark Allman
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Kwok Ho Chan | 3 Apr 2004 00:55

Re: IETF 59 minutes - amendable

Allison:
Can we add the result and action items of the 
draft-baker-diffserv-basic-classes-02.txt
presentation to the WG minutes?

I believe that the chairs have indicated 
draft-baker-diffserv-basic-classes-xx.txt will
become a TSVWG WG work item.

With Action Items:
1. The co-authors is to publish an updated version, 
draft-baker-diffserv-basic-classes-03.txt,
     for the official reviewers to review.  (We are in the process of doing 
this).
2. Reviewers to provide comments.
3. Next version based on review comments is to be named draft-tsvwg-xxx-00.txt.

Please verify and add to the official published minutes if possible.

And thank you very much for taking the minutes, Matt.

Thanks!
-- Kwok --

At 03:03 PM 4/2/2004, Allison Mankin wrote:
>Here are the TSVWG notes/minutes - thank you to Matt Zekauskas for
>very kind scribing.
>
>Corrections to chairs - we are allowed to send some small amendments
>after proceedings go online.
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Joe Touch | 3 Apr 2004 07:02
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Kwok Ho Chan wrote:

> Allison:
> Can we add the result and action items of the 
> draft-baker-diffserv-basic-classes-02.txt
> presentation to the WG minutes?
> 
> I believe that the chairs have indicated 
> draft-baker-diffserv-basic-classes-xx.txt will
> become a TSVWG WG work item.

So far, there have been only two of the desired three reviewers 
requested for this doc. It would be useful to see some "rough consensus" 
from the community before acting on the request of the chairs or ADs. 
The review below is intended to precede such a decision, at least as far 
as I could tell at the meeting.

Joe

> With Action Items:
> 1. The co-authors is to publish an updated version, 
> draft-baker-diffserv-basic-classes-03.txt,
>     for the official reviewers to review.  (We are in the process of 
> doing this).
> 2. Reviewers to provide comments.
> 3. Next version based on review comments is to be named 
> draft-tsvwg-xxx-00.txt.
> 
> Please verify and add to the official published minutes if possible.
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Branislav Meandzija | 3 Apr 2004 23:35
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I wouldn't mind reviewing this. I've read the first couple of  drafts and have been trying to encourage use
the recommendations in IEEE 802.20 (mobile broadband wireless access). The one major comment we got in
.20 was to reduce the number of classes to 4.

Branislav

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tsvwg-admin <at> ietf.org [mailto:tsvwg-admin <at> ietf.org]On 
> Behalf Of Joe
> Touch
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:02 PM
> To: Kwok Ho Chan
> Cc: mankin <at> psg.com; tsvwg <at> ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] IETF 59 minutes - amendable
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> 
> 
> 
> Kwok Ho Chan wrote:
> 
> > Allison:
> > Can we add the result and action items of the 
> > draft-baker-diffserv-basic-classes-02.txt
> > presentation to the WG minutes?
> > 
> > I believe that the chairs have indicated 
> > draft-baker-diffserv-basic-classes-xx.txt will
> > become a TSVWG WG work item.
>
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Allison Mankin | 3 Apr 2004 23:44

Re: IETF 59 minutes - amendable

Hi,

The meeting consensus was that we would have three published
reviews of the text, followed by discussion in the mailing list.
There was not consensus in the meeting to take the work on as
a working group task, let alone to take the particular draft.

The purpose of the reviews (reviewers note) is to stimulate
discussion as well as pick up on specifics in the draft.

One more note about work becoming working group items - it is a
three-stage process: 

1. the working group expresses strong interest in the area/topic and
   willingness to use cycles working on it and reviewing it.

2. the IESG and IAB review the area/topic in a re-charter review
   and agree it's within the charter goals.  There may be a
   period of request for comments by the IETF and broad community
   too.

3. a particular draft is strongly accepted by the working group as
   the basis for the work to be done on the topic.

Allison
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Kwok Ho Chan | 5 Apr 2004 16:12

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Allison:
Thank you very much for the guidance.
And thank you for correcting my mis-interpretation of the result.
We are taking the steps (working on the draft) to get there.
-- Kwok --

At 05:44 PM 4/3/2004, Allison Mankin wrote:
>Hi,
>
>The meeting consensus was that we would have three published
>reviews of the text, followed by discussion in the mailing list.
>There was not consensus in the meeting to take the work on as
>a working group task, let alone to take the particular draft.
>
>The purpose of the reviews (reviewers note) is to stimulate
>discussion as well as pick up on specifics in the draft.
>
>One more note about work becoming working group items - it is a
>three-stage process:
>
>1. the working group expresses strong interest in the area/topic and
>    willingness to use cycles working on it and reviewing it.
>
>2. the IESG and IAB review the area/topic in a re-charter review
>    and agree it's within the charter goals.  There may be a
>    period of request for comments by the IETF and broad community
>    too.
>
>3. a particular draft is strongly accepted by the working group as
>    the basis for the work to be done on the topic.
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Internet-Drafts | 5 Apr 2004 16:45
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I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpsocket-08.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Transport Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Sockets API Extensions for Stream Control 
			  Transmission Protocol (SCTP)
	Author(s)	: R. Stewart, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpsocket-08.txt
	Pages		: 78
	Date		: 2004-4-2
	
This document describes a mapping of the Stream Control Transmission
Protocol SCTP RFC2960 [8] into a sockets API.  The benefits of this
mapping include compatibility for TCP applications, access to new
SCTP features and a consolidated error and event notification scheme.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpsocket-08.txt

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to change your subscription settings.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username
"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in,
type "cd internet-drafts" and then
	"get draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpsocket-08.txt".

A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in
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Steve Silverman | 15 Apr 2004 21:02

draft-silverman-tsvwg-mlefphb-00.txt is available

I didn't see anything on the list so here is an announcement that the
MLEF draft has been
submitted to the TSVWG group.  Moving the topic here was the result of
a discussion with Jon Peterson after the last TSVWG meeting.

For those of you who haven't been following this topic,
MLEF allows the division of Expedited Forwarding traffic into multiple
priority classes so that higher priority classes are less affected by
congestion.
This function is intended for certain specific networks that can't
simply provision more bandwidth.
It is not intended as a replacement for congestion management via some
sort of call admission or call manager but complements this option.
MLEF operates at the packet level, not the call level using various
Diffserv codepoints to distinguish among the various classes.

Steve Silverman  steves <at> shentel.net
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Reji Varghese | 21 Apr 2004 06:25

TCP flaw threatens Net data transmissions

http://news.com.com/2100-1002-5195909.html?tag=nefd.hed

Regards
Reji Varghese
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Mitesh Dalal | 21 Apr 2004 07:08
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Re: TCP flaw threatens Net data transmissions

a draft is already out and is being discussed in tcpm.

Mitesh

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Reji Varghese wrote:

> http://news.com.com/2100-1002-5195909.html?tag=nefd.hed
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> Regards
> Reji Varghese
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