headers
Tom Kristensen | 2 Sep 2010 18:02
Picon

Re: How to transport BFCP in the presence of NATs

On 28 July 2010 17:45,  <lennox <at> cs.columbia.edu> wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 28 2010, "Joerg Ott" wrote to "Jukka Manner, tsv-area <at> ietf.org" saying:
>
>> this should be the preferred approach rather than doing a special
>> version of every application protocol to also run over UDP -- which
>> would just be calling for trouble, IMHO.
>
> Do you mean specifically GUT, or generally something that allows tunneling
> of TCP over UDP?  Other options in that space would be some sort of
> peer-to-peer Teredo, or draft-baset-tsvwg-tcp-over-udp.  Each of these makes
> different choices about the tradeoff between generality and overhead, and
> it's not clear to me which would be the best option for this functionality.
>
> The concern for BFCP specifically is that these ideas are all currently, at
> best, individual author drafts, which would need not only to be standardized
> but also to have documents written defining their use in SDP <proto> fields
> and ICE candidate addresses.
>
> Given how long this discussion has been going on already, I don't think
> anyone imagines this would be a quick process.  The community that uses BFCP
> is running into problems with peer-to-peer TCP communication in their
> currently deployed networks, and the feeling among much of this community is
> that progressing draft-sandbakken-xcon-bfcp-udp would be a much more
> expedious process than getting consensus on a generic TCP-over-UDP
> mechanism.

I completely agree with the argumentation and view here. More vendors
now see the need for a solution to allow BFCP work in important,
indeed real scenarios. I had nothing to add when Lennox wrote this
late in July. We have just submitted a new version of the draft in
(Continue reading)

Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |
headers
David Harrington | 7 Sep 2010 18:20
Picon

Important Dates for IETF 79

Hi,
Just a reminder.

Important dates for the Beijing IETF: 

2010-09-13 (Monday): Cutoff date for BOF proposal requests to Area
Directors at 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). To request a BOF, please see
instructions on Requesting a BOF. 
2010-09-27 (Monday): Cutoff date for requests to schedule Working
Group meetings at 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). To request a Working Group
session, use the IETF Meeting Session Request Tool. 
2010-09-27 (Monday): Cutoff date for Area Directors to approve BOFs at
17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). 
2010-10-06 (Wednesday): Preliminary agenda published for comment. 
2010-10-11 (Monday): Cutoff date for requests to reschedule Working
Group and BOF meetings 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). 
2010-10-11 (Monday): Working Group Chair approval for initial document
(Version -00) submissions appreciated by 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). 
2010-10-15 (Friday): Final agenda to be published. 
2010-10-18 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00)
submission by 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC), upload using IETF ID Submission
Tool. 
2010-10-25 (Monday): Internet Draft final submission cut-off by 17:00
PT (24:00 UTC), upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. 
2010-10-27 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by 17:00 PT
(24:00 UTC), upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. 
2010-11-01 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by 17:00 PT
(01:00 Tuesday, November 02 UTC), upload using IETF Meeting Materials
Management Tool.
(Continue reading)

Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |
headers
Eggert Lars (Nokia-NRC/Espoo | 16 Sep 2010 10:39
Picon
Gravatar

TSVAREA presentation slots for Beijing

Hi,

after skipping Maastricht, we will have a TSVAREA meeting in Beijing.

Please send agenda requests for TSVAREA in Beijing to tsv-ads <at> tools.ietf.org, including:

	title/topic
	presenter
	requested time

The purpose of the TSVAREA meeting is to inform about and discuss important issues, developments and work
within the transport area or outside work that impacts the transport area. In contrast to TSVWG, TSVAREA
does not produce any documents. TSVAREA can include tutorial-style talks on transport topics, maybe
based on related IRTF or other research work. Another possibility is "mini-BOFs", where interested
people can get quick feedback on BOF ideas they may have.

Lars
Attachment (smime.p7s): application/pkcs7-signature, 3815 bytes
Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |
headers
Lars Eggert | 17 Sep 2010 09:20
Picon
Gravatar

Fwd: NomCom 2010-2011: Call for More Nominations

Begin forwarded message:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: NomCom Chair <nomcom-chair <at> ietf.org>
> Date: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:26 PM
> Subject: NomCom 2010-2011: Call for More Nominations
> To: IETF Announcement list <ietf-announce <at> ietf.org>
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Nominations have slowed down dramatically, so this update is to enlist
> the community in an effort to pick up the pace.
> 
> We are very far behind in nominations for all the open positions but in
> particular we need nominations for the IESG and IAOC open positions.
> There have been no nominations received (other than for the incumbents)
> in INT, RAI, and RTG, and only 1 for OPS.  Likewise, in IAOC there have
> been no nominations submitted other than the incumbent.
> 
> The acceptance rates of those nominated has also been very slow. In
> order to initiate the open list of willing nominees we are in need of a
> reasonable number of acceptances, and due to the low number of nominees
> and acceptances have delayed the start date for publishing the first
> open list to September 20.  So if you have been nominated and are
> willing to serve, but have not yet confirmed this by email back to the
> NomCom, please do so as soon as possible.
> 
> We need Community input and participation! We cannot properly execute
> the task of selecting the best candidates for these positions with so
> few nominations and acceptances. So, please consider making
> nominations for the open positions, in particular those for which we
(Continue reading)

Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |
headers
Bryan Ford | 22 Sep 2010 19:24
Picon
Favicon

PFLDNeT 2010 workshop on transport protocols - deadline extended

For all of you doing exciting transport-related work, I'd like to encourage you to submit position papers
to and participate in the PFLDNeT 2010 workshop on future transport technologies.  We encourage both
reporting of work-in-progress and presentation of preliminary ideas worth discussing in an intimate
setting among fellow experts in the field.  The call-for-papers is attached, with paper registration and
submission deadlines extended until next week.

Thanks,
Bryan Ford and Injong Rhee (PFLDNeT 2010 co-chairs)
Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |
headers
Eggert Lars | 27 Sep 2010 14:09
Picon
Gravatar

preliminary Beijing TSVAREA agenda

Hi,

our agenda is pretty light, so I've asked for a 1-hour slot.

Lars

Transport Area Open Meeting
IETF-79, Beijing, China

Chairs:
David Harrington <ietfdbh <at> comcast.net>
Lars Eggert <lars.eggert <at> nokia.com>

Agenda Bashing
Note Well
State of the Area
10 minutes

The Referral Problem
Brian Carpenter, Sheng Jiang, Bo Zhou
20 minutes

Storage Trends (tentative)
N/A
20 minutes
Attachment (smime.p7s): application/pkcs7-signature, 3815 bytes
Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |

Gmane