Brian E Carpenter | 25 Apr 01:35 2015
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Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sparks-genarea-review-tracker-01.txt

Robert,

Thanks for this!

One suggestion: add a short Appendix listing topics deferred for now.
The one I'm aware of is author-oriented features.

One typo: s/haitus/hiatus/

Origin of HIATUS: Latin, from hiare, to yawn. I enjoyed learning that ;-).

   Brian

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Robert Sparks | 24 Apr 19:01 2015

Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sparks-genarea-review-tracker-01.txt

All -

This version reflects feedback from several directorate secretaries and participants.
I think it's getting close to ready to move into implementation. Please review and identify anything that needs to change before that happens.

RjS


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New Version Notification for draft-sparks-genarea-review-tracker-01.txt
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internet-drafts <at> ietf.org
Tero Kivinen <kivinen <at> iki.fi>, Robert Sparks <rjsparks <at> nostrum.com>, Tero Kivinen <kivinen <at> iki.fi>, Robert Sparks <rjsparks <at> nostrum.com>


A new version of I-D, draft-sparks-genarea-review-tracker-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Robert Sparks and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-sparks-genarea-review-tracker Revision: 01 Title: Tracking Reviews of Documents Document date: 2015-04-24 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 16 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sparks-genarea-review-tracker-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sparks-genarea-review-tracker/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sparks-genarea-review-tracker-01 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-sparks-genarea-review-tracker-01 Abstract: Several review teams ensure specific types of review are performed on Internet-Drafts as they progress towards becoming RFCs. The tools used by these teams to assign and track reviews would benefit from tighter integration to the Datatracker. This document discusses requirements for improving those tools without disrupting current work flows. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat

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Richard Barnes | 17 Apr 23:45 2015

www.ietf.org broken

On HTTPS, returns a Cloudflare page "Error 520"

On HTTP, returns a redirect loop:

curl -4 http://www.ietf.org/
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN"> <html><head> <title>302 Found</title> </head><body> <h1>Found</h1> <p>The document has moved <a href="http://www.ietf.org/">here</a>.</p> </body></html>
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Henrik Levkowetz | 15 Apr 16:35 2015

Re: FW: Subpoena to IETF / Authentication of Documents

Hi Brian,

On 2015-04-15 15:28, Brian Mack wrote:
> Henry,

Henrik, actually.

> We are outside lawyers for Metaswitch Networks and are involved in ongoing litigation in the Eastern
District of Texas.
> 
> We subpoenaed the Internet Society d/b/a the IETF and they provided us with a declaration authenticating
several IETF RFCs (and providing the date of publication (public availability)).
> 
> The IETF was unable to authenticate several documents hosted at tools.ietf.org (see below).  Would
someone who runs the "tools" page be able to provide us with a short declaration?  We could send over a draft
for you to review an sign.
> 
> These documents are very important to our case as prior art publications.

What I can assert about the documents is limited, given the date of the
documents (dates in 2000), as the dates are before I started fetching
documents directly from the IETF site.

There are 2 archives which started fetching documents earlier than I did,
and at least one of them is still up and running; hopefully you will have
better luck contacting the maintainer of that repository.

You can find the repository here:
  http://www.potaroo.net/ietf/

It is being run by Geoff Huston, <gih <at> apnic.net>.

If he has the documents in question in his repository, he may be able to
assert that he has copied them directly from the ietf site at the dates
indicated by the file system.  On my system, that's respectively

	2000-03-10 08:29 draft-kuthan-fcp-00.txt
	2000-06-15 09:42 draft-kuthan-fcp-01.txt
	2000-11-29 08:09 draft-kuthan-fcp-02.txt

but I am not in a position to assert that they were in my possession
with their current content at that time, unfortunately.

Best regards,

	Henrik

> 
> Please advise.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> 
> 
> From: Jorge Contreras [mailto:contreraslegal <at> att.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 10:23 AM
> To: Brian Mack
> Subject: Re: Subpoena to IETF / Authentication of Documents
> Importance: High
> 
> Dear Brian,
> 
> Please see the explanation that I received from the IETF records custodian below:
> 
> "The process of authenticating an Internet-Draft (I-D) includes a confirmation that we, the
Secretariat, can assert that we have had a solid chain of custody of the I-D in question from its initial
filing through today.  In the case of the I-Ds listed below, we cannot make that assertion.
> Specifically, the I-Ds listed as being present on "tools.ietf.org<http://tools.ietf.org/>" are not
able to be authenticated.  The "tools" servers are owned and operated by volunteers not under the direct
control of the IETF, and the authenticity of *any* I-Ds on those servers, while *likely* to be valid, can
never be *confirmed* to be valid.  Likewise the single I-D appearing in the
"www.ietf.org/archive/id<http://www.ietf.org/archive/id>" location is shown by our records to be a
copy of an I-D from the tools servers, and can therefore also not be authenticated.
> To be authentic, an I-D must be (a) on the actual www.ietf.org<http://www.ietf.org/> website and (b)
confirmed by AMS to be in our chain-of-custody line from its original submission and (c) be a direct match
for that source document, byte-for-byte.
> Since the I-Ds in the list below fail item (b) in the above process, AMS and the IETF cannot make any
representation as to the authenticity of those I-Ds."
> 
> Please let me know if you would like to discuss.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jorge
> 
> Jorge L. Contreras
> Contreras Legal Strategy LLC
> 1711 Massachusetts Ave. NW, No. 710
> Washington, DC 20036
> contreraslegal <at> att.net<mailto:contreraslegal <at> att.net>
> 
> The contents of this message may be attorney-client privileged and confidential.  If you are not the
intended recipient, please delete this message immediately.
> 
> 
> From: Brian Mack <brianmack <at> quinnemanuel.com<mailto:brianmack <at> quinnemanuel.com>>
> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 10:11 PM
> To: Jorge Contreras <contreraslegal <at> att.net<mailto:contreraslegal <at> att.net>>
> Subject: RE: Subpoena to IETF / Authentication of Documents
> 
> Jorge,
> 
> We received your response to our subpoena in the Genband v. Metaswitch Networks case (2:14-cv-33).
> 
> There are a few documents that were included in included in Attachment B of the Morris declaration that
could not be authenticated.  The declaration says these documents are not contained in the IETF records,
but many still appear on the IETF website and are dated on the face of the documents.  Can you check on the
following documents, and provide a declaration if possible on their authenticity as IETF documents (if
not also on public availability)?
> 
> If you'd like to chat, I am around tomorrow afternoon.  The documents in bold below are particularly
important to our case.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> "Firewall Control Protocol Framework and Requirements" <draft-kuthan-fcp-00.txt>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuthan-fcp-00
> 
> 
> "Firewall Control Protocol Framework and Requirements" <draft-kuthan-fcp-01.txt>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuthan-fcp-01
> 
> 
> "Middlebox Communication: Framework and Requirements" <draft-kuthan-fcp-02.txt>
> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuthan-fcp-02
> 
> 
> 
> "H.323 Firewall Control Interface (HFCI")
> 
> <draft-rfced-info-mercer-00.txt>
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-rfced-info-mercer-00.txt
> 
> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-rfced-info-mercer-00.txt
> 
> "The SIP INFO Method" <draft-ietf-mmusic-sip-info-method-00.pdf>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-sip-info-method-00
> "Mapping between ISUP and SIP" <draft-schulzrinne-ss7-00>
> http://www.cs.columbia.edu/sip/drafts/draft-schulzrinne-ss7-00.pdf
> "Media Gateway Control Protocol (MGCP) Call Flows" <draft-huitema-megaco-mgcp-flows-01>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-huitema-megaco-mgcp-flows-01
> The IP Network Address Translator (NAT)
> <draft-rfced-info-srisuresh-05.txt<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rfced-info-srisuresh-05.txt>>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rfced-info-srisuresh-05
> "A Proposal for Internet and Public Switched Telephone Networks (PSTN) Internetworking" [Dated March
1997 on Page 4]
> <draft-faynberg-telephone-sw-net-00.txt>
> http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-faynberg-telephone-sw-net-00.pdf
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-faynberg-telephone-sw-net-00.txt
> "Analysis of Services and Interfaces used when Interworking Between the Internet and the Intelligent
Network (I.N.)" [stating that "Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months"
and that the draft "Expires on 7 January 1998"]
> <draft-conroy-interfaces-in-net-00.txt>
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-conroy-interfaces-in-net-00.txt
> http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-conroy-interfaces-in-net-00.pdf
> "SIP for Click-To-Dial-Back and Third-Party Control" [dated November 20, 1997 on page 1]
> draft-ietf-pint-sip-00.txt
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-pint-sip-00.txt
> http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-pint-sip-00.pdf
> "Architectural Framework for Signaling Transport" [dated February 1999 on page 1]
> draft-ietf-sigtran-framework-arch-00.txt
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-sigtran-framework-arch-00.txt
> http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-sigtran-framework-arch-00.pdf
> "PSTN-Internet Internetworking - An Architecture Overview" [Dated November 1997 on page 1]
> <draft-ietf-pint-inweb-00.txt>
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-pint-inweb-00.txt
> http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-pint-inweb-00.pdf
> "Pre-PINT Callback Service Implementation Experiences"  [stating that "Internet-Drafts are draft
documents valid for a maximum of six months" and that the draft "Expires on 21 May 1998"]
> <draft-ietf-pint-internet-callcenter-00.txt>
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-pint-internet-callcenter-00.txt
> http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-pint-internet-callcenter-00.pdf
> "The PINT Profile of SIP and SDP: a Protocol for IP Access to Telephone Call Services" [dated August 7, 1998
on page 1]
> draft-ietf-pint-profile-00.txt
> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/42/I-D/draft-ietf-pint-profile-00.txt
> "RFC2458 - Toward the PSTN/Internet Inter-Networking--Pre-PINT Implementations" [dated March 1998
on page 1]
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-pint-pre-implement-00.txt
> http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-pint-pre-implement-02.pdf
> "A Proposal for Internet Call Waiting Service using SIP An Implementation Report" [dated November 1998
at the bottom of page 1]
> <draft-ietf-pint-icw-00.txt>
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-pint-icw-00.txt
> "A proposal for the provisioning of PSTN initiated services running on the Internet" [dated March 1999 on
page 2]
> <draft-ietf-pint-saint-00.txt>
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-pint-saint-00.txt
> http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-pint-saint-00.pdf
> 
> From: Jorge Contreras [mailto:contreraslegal <at> att.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 7:42 AM
> To: Brian Mack
> Subject: Re: Subpoena to IETF / Authentication of Documents
> 
> Brian,
> 
> I can accept service.  For your records, please note our new address below (though email correspondence is
by far the most reliable way to communicate).
> 
> I will be in touch once I have reviewed the request with my client.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jorge L. Contreras
> Contreras Legal Strategy LLC
> 1711 Massachusetts Ave. NW, No. 710
> Washington, DC 20036
> contreraslegal <at> att.net<mailto:contreraslegal <at> att.net>
> 
> The contents of this message may be attorney-client privileged and confidential.  If you are not the
intended recipient, please delete this message immediately.
> 
> 
> From: Brian Mack <brianmack <at> quinnemanuel.com<mailto:brianmack <at> quinnemanuel.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 9:30 PM
> To: Jorge Contreras <contreraslegal <at> att.net<mailto:contreraslegal <at> att.net>>
> Subject: Subpoena to IETF / Authentication of Documents
> 
> 
> Contreras Legal Strategy LLC
> P.O. Box 4752
> St. Louis, MO 63108
> E-mail: contreraslegal <at> att.net<mailto:contreraslegal <at> att.net>
> To whom it may concern:
> 
> Attached is a subpoena to The Internet Society d/b/a The Internet Engineering Take Force (IETF).  Please
let me know if you can accept email service of this subpoena.
> 
> Best,
> Brian
> 
> Brian Mack
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> Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan, LLP
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Brian E Carpenter | 14 Apr 01:46 2015
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Structured list of concluded WGs

Hi,

http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ now only includes a pointer to the
unstructured list of concluded WGs.

I find the structured list (http://www.ietf.org/wg/concluded/)
much more useful. Is that just me?

Regards
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Brian E Carpenter | 14 Apr 01:41 2015
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"Documents" list when logged into the tracker

Firstly, I don't think this is anything to do with new UI.

When logged into the tracker, the left-hand sidebar includes
this:

Documents
 Submit a draft
 My tracked docs
 WG fddifs docs
 WG ipdecide docs
 WG nosi docs
 WG diffserv docs
 WG netwklr docs
 WG iww docs
 WG midtax docs
 WG pesci docs
 WG renum docs
 WG ucan docs
 WG aeiou docs

Several issues here:
1) This list mainly includes BOFs dating back to 1993 that I (co)chaired.
It would be better if they were labelled as BOFs. (netwklr and iww were
actually IAB workshops, however).
2) Concluded WGs should be labelled as such.
3) It's a minor point, but concluded WGs are only listed if I was a chair
when the WG closed.

An alternative to fixing these issues would be to not list
closed WGs and historic BOFs at all. They don't add much value.

    Brian

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Martin Thomson | 13 Apr 23:48 2015
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Mixed content error on new datatracker stylesheet

Blocked loading mixed active content
"http://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=PT+Sans|PT+Mono|PT+Serif:400,700,400italic,700italic|PT+Sans+Caption&subset=latin,latin-ext"

Seems easy enough to fix by the strategic addition of an 's'.
Properly quoting the '&' with '&amp;' might also be a good idea.

The fallback fonts on Linux causes legibility to degrade a little more
than I like.  (I'm not a fan of the choice of the PT fonts - the
amount of ornamentation is high, making them better suited to print at
this size rather than screen disaply - but I respect that choice.)

Style nit: The summary table for drafts could use a max-width
directive on either the whole table or just the first two columns.

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Martin Thomson | 11 Apr 00:00 2015
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xml2rfc bibliography only available over HTTP

...not HTTPS.

This produces a 404:

https://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.2119.xml

That is, once you get past the certificate validation warning that I
think dkg already pointed out.

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Martin Thomson | 22 Mar 17:34 2015
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Missing 's' on week-view

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/92/week-view.html

Includes an inline dump of the sessions.  The links in here are all
http://, which causes the agenda to fail to render on some browsers.

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Glen | 20 Mar 02:59 2015

Glen (AMS IT) in Dallas

Greetings!

For those of you who may not know me, I'm Glen Barney, the IT Director at AMS, which is the company that provides secretariat and IT services to the IETF.

For those of you who -do- know me, well, sadly, I've missed quite a few meetings, but I'm excited to report that I'm going to be in Dallas for the early part of the meeting next week!

One of the main reasons I come to the meetings, when I can, is to make myself available to you, members of the IETF leadership, ADs, Working Group chairs, and volunteers, in the event that you want to talk about anything related to AMS IT stuff.  If you have questions, or comments, or suggestions, just want to talk, have a beer, or throw food at me, I absolutely want to talk to you and meet you in Dallas!

I may be moving around quite a bit this meeting, but you can easily reach me in any of the following ways:

Google Plus:  https://plus.google.com/113536982200502888028  (Circle me or send me an email or a hangout at glenams <at> gmail.com )

Twitter:  <at> glenamstweets (Follow me, DM or send me a <at> mention)

Email:   glen <at> amsl.com

I'll be in Dallas from Saturday morning through Tuesday noon, and, with Matt Larson (also from AMS IT), I will be present and available and hoping to meet as many of you as possible!

Thanks!

Glen
Glen Barney
IT Director
AMS (IETF Secretariat)

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Fred Baker (fred | 10 Mar 23:20 2015
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internet draft notifications

I imagine you are seeing the thread on ietf <at>  about draft announcements. Here’s a thought.

What if some tool at AMS, instead of instantly posting an email saying “we got another draft”, added the
name and abstract of the draft to some file somewhere associated with a mailing list (ietf <at> , work group
list, or whatever else), and at the end of the day (by some definition - 5:00 PM on the east side of the date
line perhaps) sent all of the emails, one per list? That would give people the batching effect they mention...
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Gmane