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der Mouse | 1 Dec 2003 01:37
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Another minor note re drafts

Something else odd that I notice in the drafts is that newmodes-01
contains some non-ASCII characters in an apparently gratuitous and
rather odd way.  Specifically, it contains the octet sequence 0x82 0xc7
0xd6 in a number of places where I would expect an apostrophe (') to
appear, and there are no apostrophes at all present.

My first thought was that this was because someone used an unusual
character as an apostrophe (like the acute accent ´ that far too often
gets misused as an apostrophe) and it got UTF-8 encoded, but that
sequence is not a valid UTF-8 encoding as I read RFC 2279, so I have no
idea what it is.  Whatever it is, I think it would be a good idea to
fix it.

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Peter Gutmann | 1 Dec 2003 02:12
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Re: Another minor note re drafts

der Mouse <mouse <at> Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> writes:

>Something else odd that I notice in the drafts is that newmodes-01 contains
>some non-ASCII characters in an apparently gratuitous and rather odd way.
>Specifically, it contains the octet sequence 0x82 0xc7 0xd6 in a number of
>places where I would expect an apostrophe (') to appear, and there are no
>apostrophes at all present.

I'd guess that's MS Word 'smart' quotes.  I've seen them in Usenet postings
and RFC drafts written using Word.

Peter.
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Markus Friedl | 1 Dec 2003 12:17
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Re: Problems with draft

On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 12:26:28PM -0500, der Mouse wrote:
> I still think less ambiguity on each point would be good.  This is,
> after all, supposed to be a standard, so clarity is a Good Thing.  Is
> there some high overhead associated with changing the drafts or
> something?

I agree, but nothing in the drafts uses the compressed payload, so
I think this change can be delayed.  I think this text has been
around since 1996, lots of time to remove the ambiguity :)
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Niels Möller | 1 Dec 2003 13:38
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Re: Problems with draft

der Mouse <mouse <at> Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> writes:

> Here's a patch against transport-17.  In the interests of keeping the
> diff small, I made no attempt to re-fill paragraphs or move page
> breaks; I assume the draft was generated from a master file in some
> other format, and presumably the changes need to be made to that other
> format and the distributed draft file regenerated.

Looks ok to me. Let's see what the other folks and the document editor
thinks. (There's been several smaller proposed changes and some new
text the last month, so I hope we'll see a new revision in the not too
distant future).

Regards,
/Niels
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der Mouse | 2 Dec 2003 02:18
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data during rekey?

transport-17 says that

   Implementations MUST NOT accept any other messages after key exchange
   before receiving SSH_MSG_NEWKEYS.

But what about _during_ key exchange?  That is, after KEXINIT but
before the last message of the key exchange?  Must all packets from
KEXINIT through NEWKEYS be transport layer, or is it permissible to
exchange higher-layer packets during that interval?  (Obviously this
can't be done for the first key exchange, but it makes sense when
rekeying.)

Also, when the draft says that an implementation mustn't "accept"
messages, what should it do if any are received?  Silently drop them?
Or is this a protocol error on the part of the host who sent them, to
be treated however the receiver handles protocol errors?

I'll be happy to write the new text for the draft, once I know what it
should say. :-)

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Joseph Salowey | 2 Dec 2003 07:22
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References to SFTP and SCP

I'm trying to track down comments on the URI draft and I can't find
current refernces to SFTP or SCP. 

It seems that the SFTP draft has expired, is there going to be a
revision soon?  

Does anyone have a reference to SCP?

Thanks,

Joe
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Niels Möller | 2 Dec 2003 09:29
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Re: data during rekey?

der Mouse <mouse <at> Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> writes:

> transport-17 says that
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>    Implementations MUST NOT accept any other messages after key exchange
>    before receiving SSH_MSG_NEWKEYS.
> 
> But what about _during_ key exchange?

In the message sequence, in each direction, the only messages allowed
between SSH_MSG_KEXINIT and SSH_MSG_NEWKEYS are keyexchange messages,
SSH_MSG_IGNORE, SSH_MSG_DEBUG and SSH_MSG_DISCONNECT. Sending any
other message type is a protocol error.

> I'll be happy to write the new text for the draft, once I know what it
> should say. :-)

This issue was discussed some year ago, please consult the list
archive.

/Niels
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Kathy | 3 Dec 2003 19:31
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Paul Swartz | 6 Dec 2003 05:37

Resubmission of Agent Draft?

The last agent draft expired over 6 months ago.  Are there any plans to
submit a new new version?

-p
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Jakob Schlyter | 8 Dec 2003 16:17
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SSHFP implementations?

has anyone other than OpenSSH implemented, or planned, support for
draft-ietf-secsh-dns-xx (SSHFP) in their clients?

	jakob
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