Stephen Farrell | 2 Jun 2011 11:29
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reminder: WG session and BoF requests


Folks, Monday is the deadline for requesting WG sessions at IETF 81:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_session_requester.cgi

And Monday the 13th is the deadline for BoF requests:

http://www.ietf.org/iesg/bof-procedures.html

Cheers,
S.

=JeffH | 3 Jun 2011 18:23

Re: status on call for JavaScript (JS) Crypto Support (was: Paper for W3C Identity in the Browser Workshop)

Hi,

The paper that Sean, Stephen, & PeterSA wrote that was discussed here at the 
end of april, is published here..

   The Need for a Web Security API
   <http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/papers/idbrowser2011_submission_28.pdf>
   slides: 
<http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/slides/HodgesFarrellTurnerStAndre.pdf>

It turns out that at that workshop 
<http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/agenda.html> the need for such crypto 
support was mentioned either directly or or tacitly implied by several of the 
other presenters/authors/participants. So when the workshop was summed up, it 
was among the proposals with the most interest on the part of those present. See..

The W3C Identity in the Browser workshop: Final Report Rough Notes
<http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/IdentityBrowser#Final_Report_Rough_Notes>

In fact, there's been work going on from time-to-time wrt  JavaScript (JS) 
"native" crypto APIs, and David Dahl (Mozilla) has been working on that of 
late, and has a prototype.

He recently posted the below message to several lists, but the main discussion 
appears to be occurring on the public-webapps <at> w3.org list. Here's the root of 
the thread..

Request for feedback: DOMCrypt API proposal
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011AprJun/0795.html

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Stephen Farrell | 4 Jun 2011 18:53
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ITU-T SG17 IPv6 security work items liaison


Hi all,

We received a liaison [1] from ITU-T saying they're
planning to start a couple of work items on the
security of IPv6. As far as we know, they envisage
developing a "technical guideline on deploying IPv6"
and "Security Management Guideline for implementation
of IPv6 environment in telecommunications
organizations." Bear in mind that they're just starting
so they know about as much as we would just before a
BoF or something like that.

I think we'd like to respond to them that that's great,
and we'll be interested in their results, but can they
*please* come back to us before saying something should
be changed so's we can talk about it.

If you've comments or ideas on that, please respond
to this in the next week. At that point, we'll
get some help translating this into liaison-speak
(thanks Eliot:-) and send the result to these lists for
a quick check before shipping it off to the ITU-T
folks.

Cheers,
S.

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1047/

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Tina Tsou | 5 Jun 2011 08:25
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Re: [v6ops] ITU-T SG17 IPv6 security work items liaison

Hi,
RFC 4775 is the process to follow.

We keep our promises with one another - no matter what!

Best Regards,
Tina TSOU
http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact.html

-----Original Message-----
From: ipv6-bounces <at> ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-bounces <at> ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred
Baker
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:10 PM
To: Stephen Farrell
Cc: Turner, Sean P.; v6ops <at> ietf.org; ipv6 <at> ietf.org; saag <at> ietf.org; Eliot
Lear
Subject: Re: [v6ops] ITU-T SG17 IPv6 security work items liaison

On Jun 4, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:

> I think we'd like to respond to them that that's great,
> and we'll be interested in their results, but can they
> *please* come back to us before saying something should
> be changed so's we can talk about it.

That seems like a reasonable proposal. 

There a, of course, several proposed sets of security guidelines for IPv6
floating in the breeze. If you want my druthers, I would like to see a
comprehensive security *architecture*. Steve Kent wrote to me last month, on
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Yutaka OIWA | 5 Jun 2011 19:06
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re-call for IETF http-auth BoF

Dear all at http-auth mailing list,
(Cc: Peter, Sean, Harry, and related mailing lists subscribers)

following the discussions in the Prague http-auth Bar-BoF in March,
and the W3C Identity in Browser workshop in the last month, now I
would like to re-call the formation of BoF for http-auth in IETF.  The
workshop was really hot and enjoying, and there were so many useful
inputs to both Web community and IETF, I believe.  Some materials
presented and discussed there are available at
<http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/>.

# Harry, are the *output* materials of the workshop already available to public?

Currently I'm preparing a start-up version of problem statement document and
proposed BoF agenda.  However, very unfortunately, the last week I had a
severe fever heat and could not work well (I'm really sorry about that).
I'm going to submit them to the list within two days, and if possible
comments to the last version of the agenda proposal, available at
<http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/http-auth/current/msg00770.html>,
are welcome.  I'm currently working based on that.

Thanks,

Yutaka

--

-- 
Yutaka OIWA, Ph.D.                                       Research Scientist
                            Research Center for Information Security (RCIS)
    National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology (AIST)
                      Mail addresses: <y.oiwa <at> aist.go.jp>, <yutaka <at> oiwa.jp>
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Stephen Farrell | 6 Jun 2011 13:41
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Re: ITU-T SG17 IPv6 security work items liaison


On 05/06/11 21:30, Arturo Servin wrote:
> 
> 	I do not see why the ITU has to start from zero. 

What Eliot said.

> There are several (or some at least) very good RFC and I+D documents related to IPv6 security. 

Sure. Feel free to send RFC numbers and we'll include
some in the draft response that we'll circulate in a
while. (So no need to spam everyone with those, just
sending your suggestions to Eliot, Sean and I will be
enough.)

Thanks,
S.

> I think we should recommend them to ITU, it is good that they let us
know, it would be better if  they use our work as a foundation.
> 
> just my 20 cents
> -as
> 
> 
> On 5 Jun 2011, at 00:10, John Leslie wrote:
> 
>> Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell <at> cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
>>>
>>> We received a liaison [1] from ITU-T saying they're
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Sean Turner | 7 Jun 2011 16:47

Re: Pick a saag presentation for Quebec...

We've not had any takers on this offer.  We're still willing to 
entertain topics.  Don't be shy ;)

spt

On 4/5/11 10:50 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>
> And while we're filling the saag folder. I'm sure we've all
> noted the general warmth with which many saag presentations
> have been greeted over the years:-)
>
> Next time, as an experiment, we'd like you to pick one of
> them.
>
> So, please send suggestions to the list, for topic and
> optionally presenter, ideally with the presenter's
> agreement, for a 20-30 minute slot and we'll see what
> folks here want to hear/talk about and whether we can
> arrange that.
>
> I guess suggestions before say June 5th should give us
> enough time to get stuff sorted. We'll figure some way
> to let you all help pick one after that.
>
> If this works ok, we'll keep it up. If not, then we
> won't. If we need to tweak things to make it work then
> we'll do that.
>
> Please keep the subject line intact for suggestions and
> discussions about picking a presentation. If discussion
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Thomas Roessler | 7 Jun 2011 16:53
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Request for Review of XML Signature 2.0 and Canonicalization 2.0 specifications

The W3C XML Security Working Group has issued Last Call Working Drafts of XML Signature 2.0 and Canonical
XML 2.0.  These specifications are intended to address XML-related performance and attack surface issues.

Working Drafts here:
	http://www.w3.org/TR/xmldsig-core2/
	http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-c14n2/

While the formal Last Call period has ended on 31 May, the WG is prepared to accept reviews until 5 July.

Regards,
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Thomas Roessler, W3C  <tlr <at> w3.org>  ( <at> roessler)

Kent Watsen | 9 Jun 2011 01:43
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draft-kwatsen-reverse-ssh-01 submission for review


I've updated the Reverse SSH draft per suggestions:

    - now uses IANA-assigned SSH port 22
    - now defines proper client and server roles (Reverse SSH client, Reverse SSH server)
    - now uses in-band negotiation to automatically authenticate the SSH Server's host key 

Key aspects used to achieve this update include:

    - contextual awareness to set SSH client/server roles
    - definition of a new family of public host key algorithms (hmac-*)

My own thoughts:

    - I like how now the host key and MAC algorithm are negotiated for hmac-* use
    - I'm glad to find a solution minimizing the impact to existing SSH implementations

Link:

    - http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kwatsen-reverse-ssh-01

Thanks,
Kent

Jeffrey Hutzelman | 9 Jun 2011 04:51
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Re: draft-kwatsen-reverse-ssh-01 submission for review

On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 16:43 -0700, Kent Watsen wrote:
> I've updated the Reverse SSH draft per suggestions:
> 
>     - now uses IANA-assigned SSH port 22
>     - now defines proper client and server roles (Reverse SSH client, Reverse SSH server)

So, let's make sure I have this right.  A device "calling home" is going
to connect to some server on port 22, and expect the server to
immediately pick up the role of being an SSH client?

How is the server to distinguish between such a device and a normal ssh
client being used by an admin who wants to log in to the server?  Or by
some other protocol that runs over ssh?

I'm pretty sure I recall the discussion on this point involving some
sort of negotiation, rather than a requirement that both sides know a
priori which protocol variant they're going to speak.  In fact, I seem
to recall der Mouse suggesting use of a pre-kex extension packet to
indicate this.

>     - definition of a new family of public host key algorithms (hmac-*)

This is not the way to achieve what you're trying to do.  Nor is
specifying use of only particular host key algorithms, which rather
badly breaks modularity.  Further, what you've done doesn't actually buy
anything.  If the HMAC is precomputed before the device that will act as
SSH server is deployed, then there is no operational advantage over
X.509 certificates.  On the other hand, if the HMAC is computed at the
time of the connection, then both the client and server must know the
key _and_ there must be a different key for each client/server pair (so
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