Nathaniel Borenstein | 8 Oct 1992 14:59
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MIME & Metamail newsgroups

I've been increasingly noticing two phenomena:

1.  The amount of effort required to administer the info-metamail
mailing list is growing rapidly.

2.  Lots of people are asking me why there isn't a newsgroup for MIME
and/or metamail

It seems to me that the time is right to create such newsgroups. 
Personally, I would favor "comp.mail.mime" and "comp.mail.mime.metamail"
but I'm open to other names or structures.  

What I'm primarily wondering at this point is this:  is there anyone out
there who is willing to shoulder the effort of the newsgroup creation
votes, etc.?  I'm frankly too swamped to do this, but it seems like it
ought to be done.  

Any volunteers?  Any differing opinions about the idea of creating such
newsgroups?  -- Nathaniel

Nathaniel Borenstein | 8 Oct 1992 18:11
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Rearranging lists & newsgroups

Attention, readers of the "comp.mail.multimedia" newsgroup and the
"mmm-people" internet mailing list:

As many of you know, the recent publication of MIME, the proposed
standard for multimedia Internet mail, has generated a great deal of
renewed interest in multimedia mail in general.  Earlier today, I
proposed to readers of the MIME mailing list and the mailing list for
metamail (my public-domain MIME implementation) that we look into
creating new newsgroups for discussions of MIME and metamail.

Several people have suggested, in response, that the existing
comp.mail.multimedia newsgroup and mmm-people mailing list (which are
mutually gatewayed) are suitable for this purpose.  What I would like to
know is this:  do you think it would be reasonable to have general
discussions about MIME on mmm-people and comp.mail.multimedia?   Or
would it be better to have aseparate newsgroup for this purpose?  How
about specific MIME implementations such as metamail?  

For information purposes, info-metamail routinely carries one or two
dozen messages a week at this point.  The MIME dicussion list, ietf-822,
carries a much more variable amount of traffic, depending on the current
state of the standards process, but not all of this discussion would be
appropriate to move to mmm-people/comp.mail.multimedia anyway.  In
particular, the mail oriented to new drafts of the MIME standard would
undoubtedly stay on ietf-822, while general "how does MIME do X?"
discussion would probably migrate to the newsgroup.

What is being suggested, at bottom, is a renewed and expanded charter
for this longstanding low-volume newsgroup.  Alternately, we could
create new subgroups such as "comp.mail.multimedia.mime" and
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Laurence Lundblade | 11 Oct 1992 23:57

list of MIME implentations

I'm trying to put together a list of MIME implementations, finished or in
progress, for a presentation on MIME (seems like we ought to make sure
that MIME gets the good press it deserves). The ones I know of are:

 - Metamail
 - C-client (as a tool for building MIME mailers)
 - MailManager (built on c-client for NeXTs)
 - MIME capable MH
 - MIME capable Andrew
 - Pine 
 - The up and coming MIME mailer from SUN
 - A MIME capable version of ZMAIL

I'd appreciate hearing about any others with along with the details such
as it's status, what platforms it runs on, how to get it and where to get
it. 

I'll be happy to send the result to anyone that would like a copy.

Thanks!

Laurence Lundblade                       206-543-5617
  lgl <at> cac.washington.edu
     Computing and Communications, University of Washington, Seattle 

Dan Heller | 12 Oct 1992 06:55
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Re: list of MIME implentations

> On Oct 11,  3:57pm, Laurence Lundblade wrote:
> I'd appreciate hearing about any others with along with the details such
> as it's status, what platforms it runs on, how to get it and where to get
> it. 
> 
> I'll be happy to send the result to anyone that would like a copy.

You can also include Z-Mail if you like.  Product info is below.
You can ftp it from ora.com: pub/z-code/zmail/2.1 -- this is a
commercial product, so an activation key is required.  (I will send
a demo key if you just want to try it.)

NOTE: z-mail 2.1 was frozen a while ago, so Z-Mail isn't fully MIME-
compliant right now.  Version 2.2 (early 93) will be.  We do ship
metamail with MIME currently, so you can read MIME messages with
Z-Mail, and you can generate MIME messages if you integrate the mailto
program... (Z-Mail is based on Z-Script, which you can use to integrate
with programs like mailto, so you can build certain user-interface
functions that support MIME if you want to go to the effort.  This
will all be more automated in the next version.)

dan

			  Z-Mail PRODUCT SUMMARY
			  Z-Code Software Corp.

Z-Mail, a UNIX World Magazine "Product of the Year" winner for 1991,
is a complete electronic mail system for workstations.  Z-Mail supports
the Motif and Open Look in the graphical user interfaces (GUI), as well
as two character modes.
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t.l.hansen | 12 Oct 1992 14:42
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Re: list of MIME implentations

< I'd appreciate hearing about any others with along with the details such
< as it's status, what platforms it runs on, how to get it and where to get
< it.

It is planned that UNIX System V release 4.3 will be MIME compliant at some
level.

					Tony Hansen
			    hansen <at> pegasus.att.com, tony <at> attmail.com
				att!pegasus!hansen, attmail!tony

peter | 12 Oct 1992 14:29
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Re: list of MIME implentations

If at all possible, I would like to receive a copy of whatever you
find out.

Thanks,
-Peter

In message <Pine.3.80.9210111514.B1014-a100000 <at> olive.cac.washington.edu>  
           Laurence Lundblade <lgl <at> cac.washington.edu> writes:
> 
> 
> I'm trying to put together a list of MIME implementations, finished or in
> progress, for a presentation on MIME (seems like we ought to make sure
> that MIME gets the good press it deserves). The ones I know of are:
> 
>  - Metamail
>  - C-client (as a tool for building MIME mailers)
>  - MailManager (built on c-client for NeXTs)
>  - MIME capable MH
>  - MIME capable Andrew
>  - Pine 
>  - The up and coming MIME mailer from SUN
>  - A MIME capable version of ZMAIL
> 
> I'd appreciate hearing about any others with along with the details such
> as it's status, what platforms it runs on, how to get it and where to get
> it. 
> 
> I'll be happy to send the result to anyone that would like a copy.
> 
> Thanks!
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Brad Huntting | 12 Oct 1992 19:25
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Re: list of MIME implentations


> - Metamail
> - C-client (as a tool for building MIME mailers)
> - MailManager (built on c-client for NeXTs)
> - MIME capable MH
> - MIME capable Andrew
> - Pine 
> - The up and coming MIME mailer from SUN
> - A MIME capable version of ZMAIL

I didn't realize there were so many implementations of MIME available
or in beta.  In light of this and the recent talk regarding a news
group, I sugest we start comp.mail.mime, and if/when the trafic there
becomes too fragmented or too high we consider creating
comp.mail.mime.metamail.

brad

Timo Lehtinen | 12 Oct 1992 21:28
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Re: list of MIME implentations


| I'd appreciate hearing about any others with along with the details such
| as it's status, what platforms it runs on, how to get it and where to get
| it. 

Product name:	STI Document Browser
Platforms:	Windows 3.1 (shipping), NeXTstep/X11/VMS (in the pipeline)
How and where to get:
		Stream Technologies Inc.
		Valkjarventie 2
		SF-02130 Espoo
		FINLAND
		Tel: +358 0 43577340
		Fax: +358 0 43577348
		Email: info <at> sti.fi

| I'll be happy to send the result to anyone that would like a copy.

I would like to get a copy of the list, please.

Timo

Phil Trubey | 13 Oct 1992 06:44
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Mass market MIME based e-mail question

Am I missing something here?  Why is it that I seem to be the only person
who thinks that MIME based e-mail packages can take on the very profitable,
yet proprietary mass market e-mail packages like Microsoft Mail (aka Network
Courier), Lotus cc:Mail, Da Vinci E-Mail, etc?

The basic architecture that I would see working is as follows:

- MIME based user agent running on Microsoft Windows and Macintosh.
- Uses POP3 over TCP/IP as transport between user agent and server.
- POP3 compliant servers for Unix, Novell NLM, Univel platforms.
- SMTP protocol used for server to server communications.

Nice features of this architecture:

- because TCP/IP is used as a transport for both client/server and server/server
  communications, you can use other off the shelf components for things like
  providing remote dial in support:  ie use SLIP/PPP communications servers
  for this task.
- again, since TCP/IP is used as the transport, you can take advantage of the
  standard TCP/IP APIs that exist on Windows (Windows Socket API) and 
  Macintosh (MacTCP).
- same user interface whether you run the user agent remotely over dialup or 
  locally from a LAN (assuming you use SLIP/PPP for dialup communications)
- interoperates seemlessly, without the need for gateways, to other SMTP
  based servers and MIME based user agents.

This a broad architecture and there are many details to be worked out, such
as user directories, directory synchronization, IP address assignment, etc.

My question to the Net is:  am I missing something obvious, or is there a
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ERIK | 13 Oct 1992 17:07

mime versions


 To: info-metamail <at> thumper.bellcore.com, ietf-822 <at> dimacs.rutgers.edu

 Mime-Version: 1.0

 > I'm trying to put together a list of MIME implementations,
 > finished or in progress, for a presentation on MIME (seems like we
 > ought to make sure that MIME gets the good press it deserves). The
 > ones I know of are:

    There is sove vax version runnign around, because I got mail
from 'ritvax.isc.rit.edu' with the following header lines:

            X-VMS-To: IN%"ERIK <at> acspr1.acs.brockport.edu"
            MIME-version: 1.0

    and DELPHI.COM (the commercial service like compuserve) also has
the 'Mime-Version'  in the mail headers they are churning out.  I
suppose contacting the postmasters at both sites will get you more
information.

--
  Erik Seielstad              | Bitnet: erik <at> brock1p
  Systems Programmer/Analyst  | Internet: erik <at> acspr1.acs.brockport.edu
  SUNY College at Brockport


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