IAB Chair | 6 Feb 01:20

Independent Submission Editor re-appointment

The Internet Architecture Board is pleased to announce the re-appointment of

Nevil Brownlee as the Independent Submission Editor (ISE). The contract

negotiated by the IAOC is for a term of three years.   

 

For the IAB,

Bernard Aboba

IAB Chair

 

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last call "On Authors, Contributors, Editors, and overload."

Hello -

This past autumn, a discussion started regarding the need to clarify
terms and responsibilities for Authors, Contributing Authors, Editors,
and Contributors (see
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.rfc.interest/2395 for the original
discussion).  Olaf drafted a policy statement, collected feedback, and
now we'd like to give this final blessing and close out the issue.

The text as it stands now is below.  For those of you who have been
tracking the conversation and want the short, short version, there is a
diff at the bottom of this message.

Final substantive comments are welcome through 17-Jan-2012.

-Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)

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On Authors, Contributors, Editors, and overload.

The specific policy is as follows:

* Headers, Addresses section, AUTH48: the 1:1:1 mapping

  A small set of names, with affiliations, may appear on the front
  page header. These should be the lead author(s) or editors; those
  who are most responsible for the actual text. Below we will refer to
  these as "AUTHORS" and "EDITORS" (all caps)

  The AUTHORS or EDITORS that appear on the front page header all need
  to sign-off during AUTH48 and are the primary contacts in case
  follow-up is needed. Hence they are the ones that are listed in the
  RFC metadata and the ones that are listed in the Authors' or
  Editors' Addresses section. We call this the 1:1:1 mapping. It is
  not subject to negotiation although the RFC Editor might make
  exceptions e.g. during the AUTH48 process.

  Also see: http://www.rfc-editor.org/policy.html#policy.authresp

  If there are more than five AUTHORS or EDITORS stream-approval is
  required.

* AUTHORS or EDITORS

  The designation AUTHOR or EDITOR is one that is made by the
  individuals themselves.

* Contributing Authors

  An RFC may include a Contributing Authors section, listing those
  contributors who deserve significant credit for the document
  contents.

  The Contributing Authors section is intended to provide a level of
  recognition greater than an acknowledgment and nearly equal to
  listing on the front page.

  The choice of either, both, or none of Contributing Authors and
  Acknowledgment sections in a particular RFC depends upon the
  circumstance. That choice is primarily based on conventions within
  a stream and often suggested by the AUTHORS' or EDITORS'.

  The format and requirements of the Contributing Authors section are
  the same as the Authors' Addresses.

  If the Contributing Authors section is used, then it is likely that
  AUTHORS are actually EDITORS. In that case the Authors' Addresses
  section could be named Editors' Addresses. The RFC Editor does not
  enforce such guidelines, but may ask for clarification.

  If an EDITOR is also a contributing author, her name may appear in
  the Contributing Authors section as well, without the 'editor'
  designation.

* Contributors

  As an alternative to the strict-format "Contributing Authors"
  section RFC writers may opt to use a Contributors section. The
  Contributors section may contain free floating text and is also
  intended to credit major contributors to the content.

* Acknowledgements

  The body of an RFC may include an Acknowledgements section. An
  Acknowledgments section may explain scope and nature of
  contributions. It may also specify affiliations.

* Exceptions

  The RFC Editor may grant exceptions to these guidelines upon a
  specific request from the stream approval body (e.g. the IESG) or in
  other exceptional circumstances.

During the discussion of this policy Joe Touch provided

* Acknowledgments are to provide credit to those who gave feedback, or
  for specific ideas - for those who did not contribute extended text.

* Contributors are to provide credit for those who contribute extended
  text, as is often the case with large FAQs or BCPs.

* Contributing Authors is a cookie to those who were left off the
  Author list due to a process issue.

Background and motivation

When the RFC Editor refers to 'AUTHORS' or 'EDITORS', we mean exactly
the set of names listed on the first page of an RFC. These people are
considered to be equally responsible for the contents of the
document. AUTHORS will be asked to read and approve the RFC before
publication and will be the persons that have their contact addresses
listed for clarification, comments, suggestions, or questions from 3rd
parties e.g. on the validity of errata, or on the use of text
fragments beyond that licensed by the IETF trust. This contact
information will occur in the Author's Address (or Authors' Addresses)
section at the end of an RFC.

The IESG and IETF have ratified a policy of limiting the number of
AUTHORS listed in the first page header of an RFC. Objections to huge
author lists are both practical and ideological. The practical issues
have to do with the long-existing RFC formatting conventions that do
not comfortably handle large author lists. Ideological objections stem
from the Internet community's tradition of individual rather than
corporate action and responsibility. For instance, some might see a
list of 17 authors on one RFC as motivated by a desire for
name-dropping, which would be inappropriate in the IETF/RFC context.
If there is a desire to demonstrate how many people or companies are
interested in this spec, a simple acknowledgment section can
accomplish the same thing, without Author Overload.

The Internet community's conventions for RFC authors are one of the
distinctive features of the IETF culture. Most standards bodies
publish anonymous standards, whereas we attach the names of real
people, who get both credit and blame, to our specifications. (This is
probably a result of the historical beginnings of the IETF in the
academic research community.) The person(s) who actually write a
document take responsibility for it, even though there may be a large
working group of several hundred people who potentially contributed to
it. When there are a number of significant contributors, there is
usually a single person tasked with integrating the results into a
single document; that person may be listed as "Editor", with
acknowledgments for the other contributors.

There is no rigid limit on the size of this set, but there is likely
to be a discussion if the set exceeds five AUTHORS, in which case the
right answer is probably to list one, or two, EDITORs.  For instance,
when there are many contributors, the best choice will be to list the
person or (few) persons who acted as document editor(s) (e.g.,"Tom
Smith, Ed.").

$Id: authors-policy.txt,v 1.6 2012/01/03 19:04:24 olaf Exp $

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<   not subject to negotiation.
---
  not subject to negotiation although the RFC Editor might make
  exceptions e.g. during the AUTH48 process.

44,45c46,47
<   circumstance. That choice is primarily an AUTHORS' or EDITORS'
<   decision.
---
  circumstance. That choice is primarily based on conventions within
  a stream and often suggested by the AUTHORS' or EDITORS'.
79a82,96
During the discussion of this policy Joe Touch provided

* Acknowledgments are to provide credit to those who gave feedback, or
  for specific ideas - for those who did not contribute extended text.

* Contributors are to provide credit for those who contribute extended
  text, as is often the case with large FAQs or BCPs.

* Contributing Authors is a cookie to those who were left off the
  Author list due to a process issue.

81a99

100c118
< list of 17 authors on one RFC as motivated by a desire for corporate
---
list of 17 authors on one RFC as motivated by a desire for
102,104c120,122
< If there is a desire to demonstrate how many companies are interested
< in this spec, a simple acknowledgment section can accomplish the same
< thing, without Author Overload.
---
If there is a desire to demonstrate how many people or companies are
interested in this spec, a simple acknowledgment section can
accomplish the same thing, without Author Overload.
127c145
< $Id: authors-policy.txt,v 1.5 2011/09/20 12:21:16 olaf Exp $
---
$Id: authors-policy.txt,v 1.6 2012/01/03 19:04:24 olaf Exp $
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RFC Series Editor Token Pass

Dear Colleagues,

Today I'll hand over the RFC Series Editor token to Heather Flanagan.

I have been the Acting RFC Series Editor since March. That role had a limited mandate which I summarize as
"Make only those decisions that are needed to keep RFCs flowing". There were only few occasions where
guidance helped in resolving an issue and even fewer where a decision was needed. That is mainly because of
the high professional standards of Sandy, Alice, Megan, Lynne, Rebecca, Judy and Linda of the RFC
Production Center. Working with them and the Independent Series Editor Nevil Brownlee made it a pleasure
being an ARSE.

For me the transfer of the token concludes a project that I have been deeply involved in during my tenure on
the IAB: the RFC Editor reorganization. That project had started when I joined the IAB with the definition
of the various streams that eventually lead to RFC4844 and was followed by the document that describes the
Independent RFC Editor submission (RFC4848). Those documents provided and documented a better
understanding of the technical content control of RFCs and provided inspiration for the organizational
model of the RFC Editor that enabled us to migrate away from USC/ISI  which supported the series for about 3
decades and where Jon Postel, Joyce Reynolds, Bob Braden, Sandy Ginoza and Alice Hagens made the series to
what it is today (see http://www.rfc-editor.org/RFC-history.pdf)
 .

The model that resulted allows the RFC Series to evolve as a separate institution within what I call the
"IETF Universe"; an institution lead by RFC Series Editor (RSE) with meaningful oversight by the IAB.
Unfortunately we didn't get it right the first time (RFC5620). While the model allowed for the Production
and Publication functions to land seamlessly  the job definition for the RSE was not precise enough.
Besides, and more probably more important, there were different interpretations about what the RSE job
actually entailed. 

With Glenn Kowack as Interim RFC Series Editor we went back to the drawing board and refined the model
leaving the successful Production and Publication Functions in place and clarifying the RSE position.
Developing that model and implementing it took a wee bit longer than expected - hence the need for an ARSE -
but it was time needed to follow process and developing the common mindset and language to allow for
successful implementation.  The appointment of Heather from among a multitude of highly qualified
candidates and a functioning RFC Series Oversight Committee demonstrates to me that we have a working
construct. The model (draft-iab-rfc-editor-model-v2 and draft-iab-rfc-independent) will be
published shortly.

Now that the organizational pieces are sorted out it is time for the series itself to get attention. That
will be Heathers' responsibility, there are some left overs from my tenure and within the community there
have been ideas to evolve the series. I wish Heather a lot of wisdom and success in defining the RFC Series
Editor Function by leading the community to successful evolution of the RFC Series.

Happy new year, over to Heather, and out.

--Olaf Kolkman.
Stephane Bortzmeyer | 20 Dec 15:37
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IRTF documents: where is draft-irtf-hip-experiment?

The IESG said it has no problem with Internet-Draft draft-irtf-hip-experiment
<http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg09554.html> and
<http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hip-experiment/> (which
says "Approved-announcement sent").

But the HIP research group Trac
<http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/hiprg> still shows
the document as "IESG processing". (See also
<http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/ticket/45>)

And I do not find it in the RFC Editor Queue <http://www.rfc-editor.org/queue2.html>.

At what stage is draft-irtf-hip-experiment?
Stephane Bortzmeyer | 10 Dec 11:30
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I-D on DTLS stuck in AUTH48

It is now two months that draft-ietf-tls-rfc4347-bis-06.txt "Datagram
Transport Layer Security version 1.2" is in AUTH48 in the RFC editor
queue. I know that AUTH48 is no longer the "two days" it was at the
origin but two months? Does anyone know what happens? And where to
find this information besides <http://www.rfc-editor.org/queue.html>?
IAB Chair | 2 Dec 03:14

Independent Submissions Editor Review

Colleagues,

 

Under the RFC Editor model (RFC5620) the IAB periodically reviews the performance of the Independent Submissions Editor (ISE), currently Nevil Brownlee.

 

If you have any feedback on the performance of the ISE, please send email to the IAB chair <iab-chair <at> iab.org>  before December 10, 2011. Your feedback will be shared with the voting members of the IAB and treated confidentially.

 

For the IAB,

 

Bernard Aboba

IAB Chair

 

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IAB Chair | 2 Dec 02:57

RFC Series Editor Appointment

The Internet Architecture Board is pleased to announce the appointment of Heather Flanagan as the RFC Series Editor (RSE).   Ms. Flanagan will assume the responsibilities from the Acting RSE, Olaf Kolkman, and begin her tenure on January 1, 2012.  The contract negotiated by the IAOC includes an initial term of two years and a presumptive renewal of two years.


Ms. Flanagan was selected by the RFC Series Oversight Committee (RSOC) based upon her experience, education, skills and energy she will bring to the position.

Ms. Flanagan is currently the Project Coordinator for the COmanage project, an effort funded by a grant from NSF and Internet2 to create a collaboration management platform, prior to that she was Director of Systems Administration, IT Services at Stanford University.

Her technical background is complemented by a Masters of Science of Library Science from the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill that will prove invaluable in the accessing and indexing of RFCs.

Ms. Flanagan brings a high degree of energy and enthusiasm to the position.  Her interpersonal skills as a facilitator and good listener will enable her to work well with the capable staff at the RFC Production Center and with the community in reaching consensus on a variety of issues facing the RFC Series.

The RSOC selection followed a lengthy process that included announcing the position inside and outside the community, several rounds of interviews, reference checks, and face-to-face interviews in Taipei at IETF 82.  More than thirty-five applications were received, two-thirds of which were from outside the community.

We express our congratulations to Ms. Flanagan.  We also want to extend our thanks to Ray Pelletier and the RSOC chaired by Fred Baker for their role in bringing the RSE selection process to a successful conclusion; to Olaf Kolkman for his service to the community as Acting RSE;  to Joel Halpern for his ongoing work as editor of the RFC Editor Model v2 document; and to the RFC Production Center for its customary diligence in the editing and publishing of RFCs this year, likely the second most productive in RFC publication history.

We look forward to working with the new RSE; we wish her well; and know that the community will work with Heather for the betterment of the RFC Series.

For the IAB,

Bernard Aboba
IAB Chair

 

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SM | 8 Nov 00:52

Re: An arbitrary example

Hi Frank,
At 13:43 07-11-2011, Frank Ellermann wrote:
>That is misleading, RFC 2822 should be "historic"
>or something, it was completely replaced by RFC 5322.

It's better not to do that when there are existing implementations 
based on the specification.  In a nutshell, Historic should not be 
controversial.

>In theory a PS could be promoted to DS without a new
>RFC, but that didn't happen for RFC 2822.  And I'm

That has happened in practice.

>Maybe the new IESG "historic" rules mean that we are
>encouraged to find and report such oddities, i.e.,
>RFC 2821 + 2822 should be stamped as "historic" RFCs
>to minimize the confusion of innocent bystanders.

There are times when the IESG provides guidance but they are read as 
rules.  Each time "we" try to minimize the confusion of bystanders, 
the end-result is more confusion.  I doubt that the average 
participant would find my original message clear.  It was a mix of 
standards and RFCs.

Regards,
-sm 
John C Klensin | 6 Nov 15:31

Re: Proper status for pre-IETF RFCs currently with "unknown"


--On Tuesday, November 01, 2011 04:14:01 +0800 Fred Baker
<fred <at> cisco.com> wrote...

> On Nov 1, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> 
>> There are a whole bunch of pre-IETF RFCs who's status is
>> currently "unknown", including some of mine. I started a bit
>> of a discussion on the IETF list by sending a request to the
>> IESG to change my pre-IETF RFCs to "Historic" status. I've
>...
> The problem is that it's not obvious. RFCs 768, 791-793, and
> perhaps 896 should probably be "standard", many should be
> "historic", and some (consider RFC 970 for example) are white
> papers that probably deserve to be left as "informational" or
> "experimental". Consider the many telnet RFCs...
> 
> As I recall, the reason these were left "unknown" way back in
> the musty dusts of history was that nobody wanted to take the
> time to sort through them and decide. There isn't a blanket
> rule that really makes sense.

I think a little more than that, actually, but that is probably
most of it.  The complex dependencies that SM and others have
pointed out are another piece of the puzzle.

I've been involved in a few side-conversations about this and
have a different proposal.  It is a little bit radical, but, I
think, much cleaner and easier.

As background and using today's vocabulary, the IETF/IESG have
no obvious authority to create categories or even assign them
for anything but the IETF Stream.  Strictly speaking, the IESG's
statements about assignment of Historic classifications applies
only to IETF Stream documents.   It would be rude at best for
the IESG to try to reclassify Independent Stream, IAB Stream, or
IRTF Stream documentsl I suggest that principle extends to
documents created before there was an IETF and even longer
before the IETF started publishing (or requesting the RFC Editor
to publish) "standards track" documents in the RFC Series.  

So I propose that we ask the RFC Editor to create a new
category, called, e.g., "ARPANET".  The list of categories in
RFC 2026 need not be changed (unless the IETF Stream wants to
use it for IETF Stream documents) because, seen as above, the
categories in 2026 are relevant to the IETF Stream.  We then
reclassify all of the ARPANET-period Network Working Group
documents, or at least those that are listed as "UNKNOWN", into
that category.  Unlike "Historic", it has no implications of
"deprecated" or "useless" (whether that is true in practice or
not).  There are, consequently, no implications about
dependencies from later documents.  

For new IETF Stream documents, the IESG would have to figure out
how to handle references to documents of category "ARPANET", but
treating them the same way Information documents are treated
would be a good approximation. 

> Are you volunteering for the historical exercise?

IMO, the exercise associated with the above is a lot less
complicated (and errors would be less serious) than with the
Historical one, but a support a small collection of virtual and
actual greybeards to go through and classify things rather
quickly.

    john
SM | 1 Nov 17:24

Re: Proper status for pre-IETF RFCs currently with "unknown" status

Hi Andy,
At 04:49 01-11-2011, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
>I started all this by reading the IESG's recent statement on moving
>RFCs to Historic, and then sending them a request to reclassify six of
>my old ARPANET-era RFCs (802, 851, 852, 878, 979, 1005) to Historic.
>So I was just doing this for my own pre-IETF RFCs. The IESG sent last
>calls on the action to the IETF list, and several people responded
>that the IESG shouldn't be mucking about in the pre-IETF RFCs, and
>that Historic probably isn't the right classification for them. Thus
>my email to this list.

RFC 802 is obsoleted by RFC 851.  RFC 851 is obsoleted by RFC 
878.  These RFCs are in the Legacy Stream.  The RFC Editor could ask 
whether anyone objects and then move the obsoleted RFCs to 
Historic.  I don't see any problem for the others if the request 
comes from the author of the RFC.  If the move is not tied to the 
IESG recent statement, it should not be too much of a problem.

Note that my comments are about opportunity and not mass 
reclassification.  If a rule is required for all this, it is easier 
to do nothing.

Regards,
-sm 
Andrew G. Malis | 31 Oct 19:59
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Proper status for pre-IETF RFCs currently with "unknown" status

There are a whole bunch of pre-IETF RFCs who's status is currently
"unknown", including some of mine. I started a bit of a discussion on
the IETF list by sending a request to the IESG to change my pre-IETF
RFCs to "Historic" status. I've withdrawn that request and I thought
we might try to find some consensus on this list of what the proper
status is for such RFCs.

Cheers,
Andy

Gmane