Black_David | 2 Feb 18:42 2009

Revised storm (STORage Maintenance) BOF proposal for SF

I just sent this in with a request for approval of the
BOF.  There should be no substantial changes from what
I posted earlier, but there is a strong request for a
meeting slot later in the week due to a conflicting
meeting for the RDDP folks Mon-Wed.

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Proposed Transport Area (TSV) BOF: STORM (STORage Maintenance)
Proposed for IETF San Francisco (March 22-27, 2009)

The IETF ips (IP Storage) and rddp (Remote Direct Data Placement)
working groups have produced a significant number of storage
protocols (e.g., iSCSI, iSER, FCIP and iFCP) for which there is
significant usage.  The time has come to reflect feedback from
implementation and usage into updated RFCs.  See the initial
draft list of work items below for details (expansion of this
list during the BOF is a definite possibility).

The purpose of the storm BOF is to determine whether a working group
should be formed for maintenance and update of these storage-related
protocols based primarily on implementation experience.  This work
is envisioned to encompass:

- Implementation-driven revisions and updates to existing protocols
	(i.e., updated RFCs that match the "running code").
- Interoperability reports as needed for the resulting revised
	protocols that are appropriate for Draft Standard RFC status.
- Minor protocol changes or additions; this is anticipated to
	include iSCSI features for SAM-4 compliance, some minor
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Black_David | 5 Feb 05:24 2009

Proposed STORM BOF - draft agenda

A BOF proposal requires an agenda, so I put this together:

Proposed Transport Area (TSV) BOF: STORM (STORage Maintenance)
Proposed for IETF San Francisco (March 22-27, 2009)

BOF chair: David L. Black, EMC (black_david <at> emc.com)

Agenda - Initial Draft
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Administrivia
	- Note Well
	- Purpose of BOF
	- Mailing list usage (currently using existing ips <at> ietf.org
			and rddp <at> ietf.org lists)

Draft charter (there will be one posted prior to the BOF)
	- Initial presentation and text bashing

iSCSI-related work
	- Consolidated iSCSI RFC
	- Whether to take iSCSI to Draft Standard status,
		including implementation report
	- SAM-4 feature addition

FC encapsulation-related work
	- iFCP Address Translation obsolescence

RDDP-related work
	- MPA startup change for MPI
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Black_David | 11 Feb 01:29 2009

STORM BOF approval

The request to hold the STORM BOF (STORage Maintenance)
BOF in San Francisco has been approved.  Lars and I have
asked for a 2 hour slot on Thursday, with Friday as
second choice of day (this is due to a conflicting
Mon-Wed event for the RDDP community).

Here are the links for the BOF material:
- Description:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ips/current/msg02669.html
- Draft(y) Agenda:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ips/current/msg02670.html

I'll try to get some discussion about STORM activity started
on the IPS and RDDP lists - people have been entirely too
polite in replying to me about the BOF in private, leading
some IETF observers to interpret no traffic on these lists
as lack of interest.

In particular, I'm hoping to get
some second level scoping (list of things to be done)
for work items including the iSCSI revision for Draft
Standard (what to leave out), SAM-4 support for iSCSI
(what to put in), and iSER revisions based on InfiniBand
implementations (what IETF should do vs. leave to the
IBTA).

I will also be turning the BOF description into a draft
WG charter at some point.  I expect to be off-line (no
email, phone for emergencies only) for about 2 weeks
starting late tomorrow - vacation happens to the best
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Black_David | 11 Feb 02:52 2009

STORM BOF date/time determination

Someone asked - when will we know whether it's Thu or Fri
(Mar 26 or 27) and what time the STORM BOF is?

The secretariat should have (or shortly will have) gathered
all the inputs for session scheduling for San Francisco.

According to this page:
	http://www.ietf.org/meetings/74/cutoff-dates.html
There should be a preliminary agenda for the SF meeting week
out this Friday.  That preliminary agenda inevitably leads to
multiple rounds of "<X> conflicts with <Y>, can we swap it with
<Z>" discussions, even though conflicts are an input to the
initial agenda.  Some conflicts are inevitably overlooked,
forgotten, or not noticed until the initial agenda is published
- think of this as a demonstration that IETF session scheduling
is at least an NP-Hard problem ;-).

The final agenda, with the STORM date, time and room should be
published on Mar 2.  That's 3+ weeks in advance, so reasonable
domestic airfares to SF should still be available.

Thanks,
--David
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David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer
EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA  01748
+1 (508) 293-7953             FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786
black_david <at> emc.com        Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754
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Black_David | 12 Feb 18:22 2009

STORM BOF: Discussion topics

I wrote:

> I'll try to get some discussion about STORM activity started
> on the IPS and RDDP lists - people have been entirely too
> polite in replying to me about the BOF in private, leading
> some IETF observers to interpret no traffic on these lists
> as lack of interest.
> 
> In particular, I'm hoping to get
> some second level scoping (list of things to be done)
> for work items including the iSCSI revision for Draft
> Standard (what to leave out), SAM-4 support for iSCSI
> (what to put in), and iSER revisions based on InfiniBand
> implementations (what IETF should do vs. leave to the
> IBTA).

Here are three topics that it would be useful to discuss:

- As part of pruning the iSCSI spec down to what's been implemented
	(in order to go for draft standard), what comes out?  My
	list starts with Markers (use iSER/RDDP[iWARP] instead)
	and SPKM authentication.

- What's important/useful about new features from SAM-4.  I know
	that there's interest in the new task management operations,
	but what else?  Anything added here needs a new text key to
	negotiate it.

- Details on the minor fixes to iSER and MPA.  People have sent
	me private mail about these - please send to this list.
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Eddy Quicksall | 27 Feb 14:56 2009
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Re: [Ips] STORM BOF: Discussion topics

Are there any notes from this BOF?

Eddy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Black_David <at> emc.com>
To: <ips <at> ietf.org>; <rddp <at> ietf.org>
Cc: <Black_David <at> emc.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: [Ips] STORM BOF: Discussion topics

>I wrote:
> 
>> I'll try to get some discussion about STORM activity started
>> on the IPS and RDDP lists - people have been entirely too
>> polite in replying to me about the BOF in private, leading
>> some IETF observers to interpret no traffic on these lists
>> as lack of interest.
>> 
>> In particular, I'm hoping to get
>> some second level scoping (list of things to be done)
>> for work items including the iSCSI revision for Draft
>> Standard (what to leave out), SAM-4 support for iSCSI
>> (what to put in), and iSER revisions based on InfiniBand
>> implementations (what IETF should do vs. leave to the
>> IBTA).
> 
> Here are three topics that it would be useful to discuss:
> 
> - As part of pruning the iSCSI spec down to what's been implemented
> (in order to go for draft standard), what comes out?  My
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Black_David | 27 Feb 17:15 2009

Re: STORM BOF: Discussion topics

The BOF is scheduled for Thursday, March 26th, 9:00a - 11:30a
at the IETF meetings in San Francisco.  Minutes will be sent
to the mailing lists and published as part of the IETF meeting
proceedings (including on the web site).

Everyone who can attend is encouraged to come.

Thanks,
--David

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eddy Quicksall [mailto:Quicksall_iSCSI <at> bellsouth.net] 
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:57 AM
> To: Black, David; ips <at> ietf.org; rddp <at> ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Ips] STORM BOF: Discussion topics
> 
> Are there any notes from this BOF?
> 
> Eddy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Black_David <at> emc.com>
> To: <ips <at> ietf.org>; <rddp <at> ietf.org>
> Cc: <Black_David <at> emc.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:22 PM
> Subject: [Ips] STORM BOF: Discussion topics
> 
> 
> >I wrote:
> > 
> >> I'll try to get some discussion about STORM activity started
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