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Bert Wijnen - IETF | 1 May 2008 14:48

Re: draft-ietf-pwe3-pw-atm-mib-05.txt

As MIB-doctor, I am happy with this new revision.

Bert Wijnen
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Bert Wijnen - IETF | 1 May 2008 14:54

Re: draft-ietf-pwe3-tdm-mib-10.txt

As MIB-doctor I am now happy with this revision except for one
little nit (well... it is a bit more, but the change
required is very small):

   pwTDMCfgEntry   OBJECT-TYPE
     SYNTAX            PwTDMCfgEntry
     MAX-ACCESS        not-accessible
     STATUS            current
     DESCRIPTION
         "These parameters define the characteristics of a
          TDM PW. They are grouped here to ease NMS burden.
          Once an entry is created here it may be re-used
          by many PWs.
          Unless otherwise specified, all objects in this table
          MUST NOT be changed after row activation (see [PWMIB])
          if the row index is in use by an entry in pwTDMTable.
          Rows must persist after reboot."

So that last sentence needs to be removed. Becuase it is in
conflict with the fact that you do have a pwTDMCfgStorageType
in the table. That is the object that controls the persistency
behaviour for each row. So better not to make a contradictory
statement as in the above DESCRIPTION clause.

Bert Wijnen
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Orly Nicklass | 2 May 2008 13:12
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Re: draft-ietf-pwe3-tdm-mib-10.txt---to fix in rfc editor

Lets have a note here to the RFC editor, as the real semantics is well
defined and this is more of an oversight in the process.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pwe3-bounces <at> ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces <at> ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Bert Wijnen - IETF
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 15:54
> To: Orly Nicklass
> Cc: 'ext Thomas Nadeau'; 'Romascanu,Dan (Dan)'; pwe3 <at> ietf.org; MIB
> Doctors; 'Danny McPherson'
> Subject: Re: [PWE3] draft-ietf-pwe3-tdm-mib-10.txt---to fix in rfc editor
> 
> As MIB-doctor I am now happy with this revision except for one
> little nit (well... it is a bit more, but the change
> required is very small):
> 
>    pwTDMCfgEntry   OBJECT-TYPE
>      SYNTAX            PwTDMCfgEntry
>      MAX-ACCESS        not-accessible
>      STATUS            current
>      DESCRIPTION
>          "These parameters define the characteristics of a
>           TDM PW. They are grouped here to ease NMS burden.
>           Once an entry is created here it may be re-used
>           by many PWs.
>           Unless otherwise specified, all objects in this table
>           MUST NOT be changed after row activation (see [PWMIB])
>           if the row index is in use by an entry in pwTDMTable.
>           Rows must persist after reboot."
>
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Bert Wijnen - IETF | 2 May 2008 13:15

Re: draft-ietf-pwe3-tdm-mib-10.txt---to fix in rfc editor

Fine by me

Bert Wijnen 

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Orly Nicklass [mailto:orly-n <at> actcom.co.il]
> Verzonden: vrijdag 2 mei 2008 13:12
> Aan: 'Bert Wijnen - IETF'
> CC: 'ext Thomas Nadeau'; 'Romascanu,Dan (Dan)'; pwe3 <at> ietf.org; 'MIB
> Doctors'; 'Danny McPherson'
> Onderwerp: RE: [PWE3] draft-ietf-pwe3-tdm-mib-10.txt---to fix in rfc
> editor
> 
> 
> Lets have a note here to the RFC editor, as the real semantics is well
> defined and this is more of an oversight in the process.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pwe3-bounces <at> ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces <at> ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > Bert Wijnen - IETF
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 15:54
> > To: Orly Nicklass
> > Cc: 'ext Thomas Nadeau'; 'Romascanu,Dan (Dan)'; pwe3 <at> ietf.org; MIB
> > Doctors; 'Danny McPherson'
> > Subject: Re: [PWE3] draft-ietf-pwe3-tdm-mib-10.txt---to fix in 
> rfc editor
> > 
> > As MIB-doctor I am now happy with this revision except for one
> > little nit (well... it is a bit more, but the change
> > required is very small):
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Danny McPherson | 2 May 2008 15:50
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PWE3 Charter Update - **DRAFT Charter v0.1**

Folks,
Time for that periodic charter refresh and update.  If you've
got comments, send'm along, as we'd like to get this off to the
IAB for approval.

Please consider this a 2 week call for input, ending on 5/16.

Thanks much!

-danny

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v0.1
Pseudowire Emulation Edge to Edge (pwe3)
Additional information is available at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pwe3

Chair(s):

Danny McPherson <danny <at> arbor.net>
Stewart Bryant <stbryant <at> cisco.com>

Internet Area Director(s):
Jari Arkko <jari.arkko <at> piuha.net>
Mark Townsley <townsley <at> cisco.com>

Internet Area Advisor:
Mark Townsley <townsley <at> cisco.com>

Technical Advisor(s):
Allison Mankin <mankin <at> psg.com>
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Danny McPherson | 2 May 2008 20:45
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Re: PWE3 Charter Update - **DRAFT Charter v0.1**


On May 2, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Danny McPherson wrote:

> Folks,
> Time for that periodic charter refresh and update.  If you've
> got comments, send'm along, as we'd like to get this off to the
> IAB for approval.

s/IAB/IESG/, of course :-)

-danny

>
>
> Please consider this a 2 week call for input, ending on 5/16.
>
> Thanks much!
>
> -danny
>
> ----
> v0.1
> Pseudowire Emulation Edge to Edge (pwe3)
> Additional information is available at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pwe3
>
> Chair(s):
>
> Danny McPherson <danny <at> arbor.net>
> Stewart Bryant <stbryant <at> cisco.com>
>
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Alexander Vainshtein | 5 May 2008 13:34

Re: PWE3 Charter Update - **DRAFT Charter v0.1**

Danny and all,
I have a couple of comments regarding the proposed draft charter.

1. The draft says:

<quote>
        The IETF PWE3 WG is the design authority for pseudo-wire
        over IP/MPLS PSN technology.  Extensions to this work by other
        SDOs needs to invoke the MPLS Change Process, as provided in
        RFC 4929.
<end quote>

    I've looked up RFC 4929 and, to the best of my understanding, it treats
    the PWE3 WG as one of the "other" IETF WGs when it comes to the
    MPLS/GMPLS change process, i.e. it is NOT a valid address for the external
    SDO to bring its proposals for the MPLS/GMPLS change, this function is
    reserved for the MPLS and CCAMP WGs.

    Hence the following re-wording looks to me more accurate (even if
    it sounds too much legalese:-)

<proposed text>
        The IETF PWE3 WG is the design authority for pseudo-wire
        over IP/MPLS PSN technology.  An entity or individual that
        wishes to propose extensions or changes to this technology
        must bring the corresponding proposals to the PWE3 WG that
        would treat them via a process similar to one described in
        RFC 4929 for the MPLS/GMPLS change.
<end of proposed text>
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Danny McPherson | 5 May 2008 16:47
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Re: PWE3 Charter Update - **DRAFT Charter v0.1**


On May 5, 2008, at 5:34 AM, Alexander Vainshtein wrote:
>
> <proposed text>
>        The IETF PWE3 WG is the design authority for pseudo-wire
>        over IP/MPLS PSN technology.  An entity or individual that
>        wishes to propose extensions or changes to this technology
>        must bring the corresponding proposals to the PWE3 WG that
>        would treat them via a process similar to one described in
>        RFC 4929 for the MPLS/GMPLS change.
> <end of proposed text>

I think your recommendation here is reasonable, let's see
what other folks think about it.

> 2. PWE3 security: I have been under the impression that the MPLS WG
>    is working on the "common" MPLS security document that would cover,
>    among others, the PWE3-specific security issues. The draft,  
> however,
>    proposes to deal with the PWE3 security issues separately. Is such
>    separation justified, and, if so, how do we see the partitioning  
> between
>    the two efforts? I think that such partitioning should be  
> mentioned in
>    the draft, the text used for partitioning between PWE3 and L2VPN
>    could be used as the template.

Just as the WG delineation and charter scopes the area of
work, PWE3 *specific* work will be done in PWE3, while it's
only natural that general MPLS-related work will be done in
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Danny McPherson | 5 May 2008 19:04
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Charter Modification


Team,
I've added this goal to the charter as well, it's being
driven by the MPLS TP work.  If you've got comments
please let it be known:

"In cooperation with the MPLS and CCAMP working groups,
define extensions necessary to fulfill an MPLS transport
profile."

Full charter below (includes Sasha's comments).

-danny

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Pseudowire Emulation Edge to Edge (pwe3)
Additional information is available at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pwe3

Chair(s):

Danny McPherson <danny <at> arbor.net>
Stewart Bryant <stbryant <at> cisco.com>

Internet Area Director(s):
Jari Arkko <jari.arkko <at> piuha.net>
Mark Townsley <townsley <at> cisco.com>

Internet Area Advisor:
Mark Townsley <townsley <at> cisco.com>
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Loa Andersson | 9 May 2008 12:56
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proposed charter update for the MPLS TP work

MPLS, CCAMP and PWE3 working groups,

The Joint Working Team of the IETF and ITU-T has resulted in
the agreement to create a Transport Profile for MPLS (MPLS TP).
This effort requires the MPLS, PWE3 and CCAMP Working Groups
are chartered to do the required work.

The MPLS, PWE3 and CCAMP chairs proposes that we add the
following paragraph to the three working group charters:

   "- Include extensions to the [MPLS, PWE3, CCAMP] protocols and RFCs
      necessary to fulfill an MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS TP), the work
      on the MPLS TP needs to be coordinated between the three working
      groups (MPLS, PWE3 and CCAMP) that are chartered to do MPLS TP
      work."

Please send your comments to the working group(s) mailing list(s)
eob Friday May 16.

Adrian, Deborah, Danny, Stewart, George and Loa

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Loa Andersson

Principal Networking Architect
Acreo AB                           phone:  +46 8 632 77 14
Isafjordsgatan 22                  mobile: +46 739 81 21 64
Kista, Sweden                      email:  loa.andersson <at> acreo.se
                                            loa <at> pi.nu
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