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Fan Zhao | 4 Jan 2005 10:51
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Call for Papers: IEEE JSAC MRNM


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                            CALL FOR PAPERS                            
            IEEE Journal on Selected Areas in Communications            
                  MOBILE ROUTERS AND NETWORK MOBILITY                  

  http://www.argreenhouse.com/society/J-SAC/Calls/mobile_routers.html

Network mobility support is concerned with managing the mobility of an 
entire network that is changing its point of attachment to the Internet 
and thus its reachability in the Internet topology. If network mobility 
is not explicitly supported by some mechanisms, existing sessions break 
and connectivity to the global Internet is lost. A mobile network is 
composed of Mobile Router(s) (MR) and Mobile Network Nodes (MNN) that 
can be fixed or mobile. There has been rapid development in network 
mobility support, i.e., providing Internet connectivity to the networks 
that move using mobile routers since the inception of Mobile IPv4 in 
1996. Seamless Internet access in public transportation such as in 
trains and busses can be possible if mobile routers are used. Cars with 
low-power sensors seamlessly connected to the Internet constitute yet 
another example of networks which move. To date, some airline companies 
announced Internet connectivity support during commercial flights and 
this trend is expected to accelerate and cover most if not all flights. 

This issue is focused on modeling, analysis, and simulation of network 
mobility support protocols. We solicit papers presenting original and 
unpublished work including, but not limited to the following topics: 

* Modeling and Analysis of Network Mobility
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Thierry Ernst | 5 Jan 2005 04:50
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NEMO WG Last Call on Home Network Models


Dear all,

First of all, I wish you all a happy nemo and IPv6 new year.

As aggreed in ... Washington, we would like to issue a WG Last Call on
NEMO WG draft "NEMO Home Network models"
(http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-home-network-models-01.txt)

We will close this Last Call in 2 weeks time, i.e. Jan.19th. This is
your last chance to express agreement or disagreement with this draft
being forwarded to the IESG as Informational. 

Network Mobility                                              P. Thubert
Internet-Draft                                                     Cisco
Expires: April 5, 2005                                       R. Wakikawa
                                                         Keio University
                                                          V. Devarapalli
                                                                   Nokia
                                                         October 5, 2004

                        NEMO Home Network models
                 draft-ietf-nemo-home-network-models-01

Thanks to Pascal (more than once ;-) and Vijay (at least once) for
reminding me ...

The NEMO WG chairs.
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Pascal Thubert (pthubert | 5 Jan 2005 08:06
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RE: about the Home Network Models WG item

Hi Alex:

| Then, in the current description of the "Aggregated Home Network"
| section 5, there are very many things unclear to me:
| 
| section 5:
| > A node on the Home Link computes that the Aggregated Home Network is
| > actually a subnet on the Home Link and may use it for
| > autoconfiguration purposes.
| 
| It would be more readable to say: "use the prefix on the Home Link to
| autoconfigure a Home Address".
| 

I agree with you here. I made the change as issue 1.

Pascal
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Pascal Thubert (pthubert | 5 Jan 2005 09:01
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RE: RE: about the Home Network Models WG item

Hi: 

Please note that the issue list for this draft is hosted at:

http://mobilenetworks.org/~pthubert/draft-ietf-nemo-home-network-models-
issues.html

Pascal
| -----Original Message-----
| From: nemo-bounces <at> ietf.org [mailto:nemo-bounces <at> ietf.org] On Behalf
Of
| Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
| Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:07 AM
| To: Alexandru Petrescu
| Cc: nemo <at> ietf.org
| Subject: [nemo] RE: about the Home Network Models WG item
| 
| Hi Alex:
| 
| | Then, in the current description of the "Aggregated Home Network"
| | section 5, there are very many things unclear to me:
| |
| | section 5:
| | > A node on the Home Link computes that the Aggregated Home Network
is
| | > actually a subnet on the Home Link and may use it for
| | > autoconfiguration purposes.
| |
| | It would be more readable to say: "use the prefix on the Home Link
to
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Alexandru Petrescu | 5 Jan 2005 16:51

Re: RE: about the Home Network Models WG item

Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
> Hi Alex:
>  
> | Then, in the current description of the "Aggregated Home Network"
> | section 5, there are very many things unclear to me:
> | 
> | section 5:
> | > A node on the Home Link computes that the Aggregated Home Network is
> | > actually a subnet on the Home Link and may use it for
> | > autoconfiguration purposes.
> | 
> | It would be more readable to say: "use the prefix on the Home Link to
> | autoconfigure a Home Address".
> | 
> 
> I agree with you here. I made the change as issue 1.

Ok.  I hope having an issues list helps advancing this draft WG item.

What about the other issues I raised by email to you and authors of 
draft?  They don't appear in the issues list.

Alex
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Alexandru Petrescu | 5 Jan 2005 17:08

Re: NEMO WG Last Call on Home Network Models

Thierry Ernst wrote:
> As aggreed in ... Washington, we would like to issue a WG Last Call on
> NEMO WG draft "NEMO Home Network models"
> (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-home-network-models-01.txt)
> 
> We will close this Last Call in 2 weeks time, i.e. Jan.19th. This is
> your last chance to express agreement or disagreement with this draft
> being forwarded to the IESG as Informational. 

Thierry, I've raised some issues in private to authors of the draft.

I wonder if anybody else has issues with this draft.

Alex
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Pascal Thubert (pthubert | 5 Jan 2005 17:55
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RE: RE: about the Home Network Models WG item


| -----Original Message-----
| From: Alexandru Petrescu [mailto:alexandru.petrescu <at> motorola.com]
| Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:51 PM
| To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
| Cc: nemo <at> ietf.org
| Subject: Re: [nemo] RE: about the Home Network Models WG item
| 
| Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
| > Hi Alex:
| >
| > | Then, in the current description of the "Aggregated Home Network"
| > | section 5, there are very many things unclear to me:
| > |
| > | section 5:
| > | > A node on the Home Link computes that the Aggregated Home
Network is
| > | > actually a subnet on the Home Link and may use it for
| > | > autoconfiguration purposes.
| > |
| > | It would be more readable to say: "use the prefix on the Home Link
to
| > | autoconfigure a Home Address".
| > |
| >
| > I agree with you here. I made the change as issue 1.
| 
| Ok.  I hope having an issues list helps advancing this draft WG item.
| 
| What about the other issues I raised by email to you and authors of
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Alexandru Petrescu | 5 Jan 2005 18:58

Re: RE: about the Home Network Models WG item

Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
[...]
> please present on this list at this time, and if you get enough 
> support, I'll do the changes as required.

I do not think in the simplest Home Network configuration the MR may use
a Home Address derived from the prefix assigned on its moving network
link, the MNP.  In the simplest cases, the MR Home Address is derived
from the prefix valid on the Home Link.

Or, section 4.1 Extended Home Network configuration has a last item saying:
> Alternatively, a Mobile Router could also form a Home Address from
> one of its prefixes and use it to register[...]

I think this kind of item should belong to other more complex Home 
Network configurations.

Besides, I think that a useful informational document on the types of 
home networks should describe several such networks - in the order of 
simplicity - starting first from the most simple and basic and obvious 
and only later to the most exotic.

Or, while the current document does describe three such networks, there 
does not seem to be an order from basic to complex.  The first described 
is already "Extended" and the other two are "Aggregated" and "Virtual". 
  The "Aggregated" is a little more complex than the "Extended" in that 
the MR looks up its MNNs via ND on the Home Link, which is a little 
exotic feature.  The "Virtual" model is the most exotic in that there is 
no returning home procedure for example.
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Daniel Shell | 5 Jan 2005 19:23
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Re: RE: about the Home Network Models WG item

Sounds good to have the sections labelled

Basic
Extended
Aggregated
Virtual

Would like to see what Pascal says though.

At 06:58 PM 1/5/2005 +0100, Alexandru Petrescu wrote:
>Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
>[...]
>>please present on this list at this time, and if you get enough support, 
>>I'll do the changes as required.
>
>I do not think in the simplest Home Network configuration the MR may use
>a Home Address derived from the prefix assigned on its moving network
>link, the MNP.  In the simplest cases, the MR Home Address is derived
>from the prefix valid on the Home Link.
>
>Or, section 4.1 Extended Home Network configuration has a last item saying:
>>Alternatively, a Mobile Router could also form a Home Address from
>>one of its prefixes and use it to register[...]
>
>I think this kind of item should belong to other more complex Home Network 
>configurations.
>
>Besides, I think that a useful informational document on the types of home 
>networks should describe several such networks - in the order of 
>simplicity - starting first from the most simple and basic and obvious and
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Ryuji Wakikawa | 5 Jan 2005 20:02
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Re: RE: about the Home Network Models WG item


Hello Alex.

Happy New Year!

I agree.
Since the draft title is "home network models", it is fare to have the
basic configuration.

regards,
ryuji

At Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:58:20 +0100,
Alexandru Petrescu wrote:
> 
> Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
> [...]
> > please present on this list at this time, and if you get enough 
> > support, I'll do the changes as required.
> 
> I do not think in the simplest Home Network configuration the MR may use
> a Home Address derived from the prefix assigned on its moving network
> link, the MNP.  In the simplest cases, the MR Home Address is derived
> from the prefix valid on the Home Link.
> 
> Or, section 4.1 Extended Home Network configuration has a last item saying:
> > Alternatively, a Mobile Router could also form a Home Address from
> > one of its prefixes and use it to register[...]
> 
> I think this kind of item should belong to other more complex Home
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