Jeffrey Hutzelman | 3 Feb 07:11 2011
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Re: WG status

On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 14:18 -0500, Barry Leiba wrote:
> > draft-ietf-sieve-include-06 - authors to do update based on comments from
> > last meeting and reviews. Once done, and the shepherd (Barry) is happy, it
> > can probably go to the IESG or Barry may decide another WG last call is
> > needed.
> 
> I'm dredging this up.  It seems to me that the -06 version is ready.
> The only comments I've seen are a suggestion from Dilyan that Jeff H
> disagreed with.  Do the editors think this is ready to go to the IESG
> and IETF last call?  Does the working group think so?  If I hear a few
> "Let's go!" comments from the WG, and an OK from the editors, I'll do
> the write-up and give it to Alexey.
> 
> Responses soon, please; I'd like to move on this now.

I'm going to stick with my original responses to Dilyan's suggestions.

Replacing "MUST default" with "defaults" would eliminate requirements
language, which seems like an undesirable change in meaning.  I prefer
the language in the existing document.

The remaining suggestions were stylistic comments on the example
scripts.  I don't think any of those changes are necessary, but I also
don't object to them.

-- Jeff

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Cyrus Daboo | 14 Feb 18:42 2011

Prague meeting?

Hi folks,
Today is the deadline for WG scheduling for the Prague meeting. Whilst we 
have one or two drafts that we need to get finished, I am not sure we will 
have enough participants present at the meeting to justify using a slot (I 
am probably not going to be present). If others feel it would be valuable 
to have a 1 hour slot to tackle specific outstanding issues (external 
lists, imap sieve, regex) I can submit a request, but someone else will 
need to step up and chair the meeting (as I don't believe Aaron will be 
present either).

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Barry Leiba | 15 Feb 21:05 2011
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Re: Prague meeting?

> have enough participants present at the meeting to justify using a slot (I
> am probably not going to be present). If others feel it would be valuable to
> have a 1 hour slot to tackle specific outstanding issues (external lists,
> imap sieve, regex) I can submit a request, but someone else will need to

Alexey and I plan to have a mostly-final-we-hope version of
external-lists posted very soon.  We think we can finish it on the
list, and don't need face-to-face time for that.

I plan to have a semi-final version of imap-sieve posted within a week
or two (I'll be travelling next week, so it might be after that).
That version should incorporate Ned's last review, and should get us
mostly done with that document.  I think the most important thing to
happen with that is thorough review, rather than discussion in Prague.
 If we need face time on it, we can do that in QC, but I hope it goes
to the IESG before then.

Is regex going to move at all?  Or is it dead?

In any case, I don't think a session in Prague is called for.

Barry
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Aaron Stone | 15 Feb 21:14 2011

Re: Prague meeting?

Indeed, I cannot make it :/

On my plate is an update to Include, and looking over the charter
again to see where we're at.

Aaron

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Cyrus Daboo <cyrus <at> daboo.name> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Today is the deadline for WG scheduling for the Prague meeting. Whilst we
> have one or two drafts that we need to get finished, I am not sure we will
> have enough participants present at the meeting to justify using a slot (I
> am probably not going to be present). If others feel it would be valuable to
> have a 1 hour slot to tackle specific outstanding issues (external lists,
> imap sieve, regex) I can submit a request, but someone else will need to
> step up and chair the meeting (as I don't believe Aaron will be present
> either).
>
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Cyrus Daboo | 15 Feb 21:15 2011

Re: Prague meeting?

Hi Barry,

--On February 15, 2011 3:05:22 PM -0500 Barry Leiba 
<barryleiba <at> computer.org> wrote:

> Alexey and I plan to have a mostly-final-we-hope version of
> external-lists posted very soon.  We think we can finish it on the
> list, and don't need face-to-face time for that.

That would be great, thanks.

> I plan to have a semi-final version of imap-sieve posted within a week
> or two (I'll be travelling next week, so it might be after that).
> That version should incorporate Ned's last review, and should get us
> mostly done with that document.  I think the most important thing to
> happen with that is thorough review, rather than discussion in Prague.
>  If we need face time on it, we can do that in QC, but I hope it goes
> to the IESG before then.

Well I think as soon as you have the new version done, I would be tempted 
to issue a WG last call and get it reviewed.

> Is regex going to move at all?  Or is it dead?

There has been no progress. Ned, Jeffrey - anything to report?

> In any case, I don't think a session in Prague is called for.

Yeah - well I did not request one before the deadline so we won't have a 
session in Prague.
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Internet-Drafts | 1 Mar 22:15 2011
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I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-05.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Sieve Mail Filtering Language Working Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Sieve Extension: Externally Stored Lists
	Author(s)       : A. Melnikov, B. Leiba
	Filename        : draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-05.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2011-03-01

The Sieve scripting language can be used to implement whitelisting,
blacklisting, personal distribution lists, and other sorts of list
matching.  Currently, this requires that all members of such lists be
hardcoded in the script itself.  Whenever a member of a list is added
or deleted, the script needs to be updated and possibly uploaded to a
mail server.

This document defines a Sieve extension for accessing externally
stored lists -- lists whose members are stored externally to the
script, such as using LDAP (RFC 4510), ACAP (RFC 2244), or relational
databases.

ToDo

o  Should we add a mandatory-to-implement tag?  Ned suggests (and I

agree) that it might be good to add a registry of well-defined

strings that can be used instead of URIs, and define the initial

string "ab" to represent the user's personal address book.
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Barry Leiba | 1 Mar 22:43 2011
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draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-05

Alexey and I have submitted an update to the external-lists draft:
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-05.txt

There are two open issues that remain in this version; please see the
"to-do" section near the beginning, and the comments in the text
(search for "[[").

Repeating the issues here, in hope of getting discussion:

1. We're still uncertain of the working group's final decision with
respect to mandatory-to-implement URL scheme and how to access the
user's personal address book.  This version has a draft registration
for a URL scheme called "ab:"; please check that, see if the
registration looks right, and see if you think that's the right way to
go about this.

Should we use this (an "ab:" URL)?  Should that be the MTI scheme?
Should we change the examples accordingly?

2. Ned had suggested that :list tests could (should) set variables,
the way :matches does.  See Ned's comments in the text.  We didn't
have much (any?) discussion on that.  Should we include that?  If so,
will someone contribute text that covers what's needed?

Barry
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