Leonard Giuliano | 25 Jul 18:02 2014
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MBONED draft mins


Below are the mtg mins from yesterday.  Please review while it's still 
fresh in your mind for accuracy and let us know if you see something that 
should be changed.  And thanks to Percy, for taking excellent notes.

MBONE Session
IETF 90
9-11:30AM
July 24, 2014

1. Chairs: Lenny
a. Note Well
b. Status of Agenda
c. Status of Active WG Docs:
i. Geo-distribution: JeffreyZhang- need to address some comments received 
from Toerless
ii. Multrans - Quiet so far
iii. Data Center - Mike to talk about this.
iv. Mtracev2 Also some comments received and perhaps this is ready for 
last call (Lenny)? Pretty extensive revisions from IESG so another round 
of changes needed before WG Last Call. Lenny: Make changes and ask for 
comments from list & then make ready for Last Call.

d. AMT Update:
i. In IESG for long time with lots of comments.
ii. Joel - One issue to resolve: concerns about selection of algorithms by 
Security area; Do need to do to explain to them.
iii. Lenny - Need to get original authors to clarify?
iv. Joel - Yes that would be good. Need to be gentle but firm to point out 
history.
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joel jaeggli | 24 Jul 20:33 2014

draft-ietf-mboned-v4v6-mcast-ps recap

One of the issues raised at the mic is what happened to the  ps LC.

To my recollection there what I would characterize as a good amount of
support for advancing this draft. There  were also a significant
concerns raised both about the content  and the potential outcomes of
approving this work. I believe the the chairs concluded that strong
consensus in favor of publication was not to be had.

discussion both before (Orlando)

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/minutes/minutes-86-mboned

and during/after

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/minutes/minutes-87-mboned

appears in the minutes.

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mboned/current/maillist.html

It is reasonable to conclude that we did not come out of the WGLC  with
a consensus to publish the extant document at that time.

between feb and july 2013 some pretty important changes occurred to the
document.

To my mind (and I am not the arbiter consensus within the working group,
the chairs are) the case for bandwidth optimization due to
de-duplication between AFs is not that compelling  relative to the
overall benfits from employing ip multicast. Transitions involving CGNs
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Leonard Giuliano | 11 Jul 19:36 2014
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call for MBONED agenda items


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Stefán Atli Jónsson | 6 Jul 06:19 2014
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(no subject)

watt do you expect from me ? :)

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internet-drafts | 4 Jul 21:23 2014
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I-D Action: draft-tarapore-mboned-multicast-cdni-06.txt


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the MBONE Deployment Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Multicasting Applications Across Inter-Domain Peering Points
        Authors         : Percy S. Tarapore
                          Robert Sayko
                          Greg Shepherd
                          Toerless Eckert
                          Ram Krishnan
	Filename        : draft-tarapore-mboned-multicast-cdni-06.txt
	Pages           : 25
	Date            : 2014-07-04

Abstract:
   This document examines the process of transporting applications via
   multicast across inter-domain peering points. The objective is to
   describe the setup process for multicast-based delivery across
   administrative domains and document supporting functionality to
   enable this process.

The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tarapore-mboned-multicast-cdni/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tarapore-mboned-multicast-cdni-06

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-tarapore-mboned-multicast-cdni-06

Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
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Leonard Giuliano | 1 Jul 23:52 2014
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thomas.morin | 24 Jun 09:27 2014

Re: Poll for adoption: draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04

Hi everyone,

We have a new working group document.

Authors, can you please re-post the draft as draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-00 ?

Thanks,

-Thomas

Le 9 juin 2014 19:23, Poorna Pushkala B <poorna <at> juniper.net> a écrit :
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I support the draft's adoption.

Regards
Poorna

On 6/9/14 1:20 PM, "Dolganow, Andrew (Andrew)"
<andrew.dolganow <at> alcatel-lucent.com&g; wrote:

&g;Suppor &g;
&g;Thanks,
&g;Andrew
&g;
&g;Sent from my iPhone
&g;
&g;&g; On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:05 AM, "Pavan Kurapati" <kurapati <at> juniper.net&g;
&g;&g;wrote:
&g;&g;
&g;&g; I read the draft and I support its adoption.
&g;&g;
&g;&g; Thanks,
&g;&g; Pavan
&g;&g;
&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; On 5/21/14 3:46 AM, "Thomas Morin" <thomas.morin <at> orange.com&g; wrote:
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; Hello,
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; This email starts a two-week poll on adoptin &g;&g;&g; draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04 [1] as a working group
&g;&g;&g; item of the l3vpn working group.
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; Note well that the mboned and pim working group are included in this
&g;&g;&g; poll, to facilitate feedback from these working groups on this topic of
&g;&g;&g; multicast routing in the global routing table.
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; Please send comments to the l3vpn mailing-list and state if you suppor &g;&g;&g; adoption or not (in the later case, please also state the reasons).
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; This poll runs until June 5th.
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR tha &g;&g;&g; applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
&g;&g;&g; compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
&g;&g;&g; and 5378 for more details).
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; ==&g; *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please
&g;&g;&g; respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
&g;&g;&g; relevant IPR.
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received fro &g;&g;&g; each author and contributor.
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please
&g;&g;&g; explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not ye &g;&g;&g; been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; Thank you,
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; Martin & Thomas
&g;&g;&g; l3vpn co-chairs
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g; [1]
&g;&g;&g;
&g;&g;&g;http://tools.ietf.org/htl/draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04
&g;&g;
&g;

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Zhuangshunwan | 9 Jun 18:09 2014

Re: Poll for adoption: draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04


I support the adoption of this draft.
And I'm not aware of any relevant IPR. 

-- Shunwan Zhuang

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: L3VPN [mailto:l3vpn-bounces <at> ietf.org] 代表 Thomas Morin
发送时间: 2014年5月21日 15:46
收件人: l3vpn <at> ietf.org; mboned <at> ietf.org; pim <at> ietf.org
抄送: draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast <at> tools.ietf.org
主题: Poll for adoption: draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04

Hello,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04 [1] as a working group 
item of the l3vpn working group.

Note well that the mboned and pim working group are included in this 
poll, to facilitate feedback from these working groups on this topic of 
multicast routing in the global routing table.

Please send comments to the l3vpn mailing-list and state if you support 
adoption or not (in the later case, please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until June 5th.

*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
and 5378 for more details).

==> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please
respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any 
relevant IPR.

The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
each author and contributor.

If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please 
explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet 
been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you,

Martin & Thomas
l3vpn co-chairs

[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04

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Jeffrey Haas | 9 Jun 16:16 2014

Re: Poll for adoption: draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 09:46:19AM +0200, Thomas Morin wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04 [1] as a working group
> item of the l3vpn working group.
> 
> Note well that the mboned and pim working group are included in this
> poll, to facilitate feedback from these working groups on this topic
> of multicast routing in the global routing table.
> 
> Please send comments to the l3vpn mailing-list and state if you
> support adoption or not (in the later case, please also state the
> reasons).
> 
> This poll runs until June 5th.

As usual, I'm chiming in late.  

I support the adoption of this draft.

-- Jeff

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Re: Poll for adoption: draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04

Support (as co-author). Not aware of any IPR.

Thanks
Karthik

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Morin [mailto:tmmorin.orange <at> gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Thomas Morin
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:46 AM
> To: l3vpn <at> ietf.org; mboned <at> ietf.org; pim <at> ietf.org
> Cc: draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast <at> tools.ietf.org
> Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04 [1] as a working group item of
> the l3vpn working group.
> 
> Note well that the mboned and pim working group are included in this poll, to
> facilitate feedback from these working groups on this topic of multicast routing
> in the global routing table.
> 
> Please send comments to the l3vpn mailing-list and state if you support
> adoption or not (in the later case, please also state the reasons).
> 
> This poll runs until June 5th.
> 
> 
> 
> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to
> this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR
> rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
> 
> ==> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please respond to
> this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
> 
> The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each
> author and contributor.
> 
> If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond
> only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance
> with IETF rules.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Martin & Thomas
> l3vpn co-chairs
> 
> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04
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Pavan Kurapati | 5 Jun 01:04 2014
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Re: Poll for adoption: draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04

I read the draft and I support its adoption.

Thanks,
Pavan

On 5/21/14 3:46 AM, "Thomas Morin" <thomas.morin <at> orange.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
>draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04 [1] as a working group
>item of the l3vpn working group.
>
>Note well that the mboned and pim working group are included in this
>poll, to facilitate feedback from these working groups on this topic of
>multicast routing in the global routing table.
>
>Please send comments to the l3vpn mailing-list and state if you support
>adoption or not (in the later case, please also state the reasons).
>
>This poll runs until June 5th.
>
>
>
>*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
>applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
>compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
>and 5378 for more details).
>
>==> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please
>respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
>relevant IPR.
>
>The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
>each author and contributor.
>
>If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please
>explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet
>been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Martin & Thomas
>l3vpn co-chairs
>
>[1] 
>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-04
>

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