Re: Åland

Exactly. So the obvious solution is for both UK and GB to be
accommodated in ISO 3166, unless you can find a good reason to  oppose
that. Can you?
mg

Scríobh Jon Hanna:
> 
> ISO 3166 (part two of which is
> > currently under review), which equates GB ('Great Britain') to a
> > higher-level territory (UK) of which it is only a part ('The United
> > Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland') and which ignores the
> > fact that the e-mail territorial address identifier for the entire
> > territory is actually .UK (as in www.bbc.co.uk, smo.uhi.ac,uk,
> > www.qub.ac.uk, www.cadw.wales.gov.uk, etc., etc.).
> 
> Much like the way Shakespeare often got it wrong when he wrote something
> I would quote.

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27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn, Baile an 
Bhóthair, Co. Átha Cliath, Éire.
* mgunn <at> egt.ie * eamonn <at> egt.ie *

Re: Re: Åland

Marion Gunn wrote:
> Exactly. So the obvious solution is for both UK and GB to be
> accommodated in ISO 3166, unless you can find a good reason to  oppose
> that. Can you?

There is no need to encode Great Britain in ISO 3166. It is not a 
sovereign state separate from the United Kingdom, nor has there been any 
desire expressed on the part of the British to have Great Britain so 
encoded.

Re: Re: Åland

But that is already been encoded there (as GB); the code 3166 fails to
encode is the e-mail domain (UK). 
mg

Scríobh Jon Hanna:
> 
> Marion Gunn wrote:
> > Exactly. So the obvious solution is for both UK and GB to be
> > accommodated in ISO 3166, unless you can find a good reason to  oppose
> > that. Can you?
> 
> There is no need to encode Great Britain in ISO 3166. It is not a
> sovereign state separate from the United Kingdom, nor has there been any
> desire expressed on the part of the British to have Great Britain so
> encoded.

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Marion Gunn * EGTeo (Estab.1991)
27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn, Baile an 
Bhóthair, Co. Átha Cliath, Éire.
* mgunn <at> egt.ie * eamonn <at> egt.ie *

Re: Re: Åland

Marion Gunn wrote:
> But that is already been encoded there (as GB);

The United Kingdom has already been encoded there (as GB). Great Britain 
has not. A cursory glance at ISO 3166 confirms this.

  the code 3166 fails to
> encode is the e-mail domain (UK). 
> mg

ccTLD names are not in scope for ISO 3166.

Re: Re: Åland

Scríobh Jon Hanna:
> 
> There is no need to encode Great Britain in ISO 3166. It is not a
> sovereign state separate from the United Kingdom...

Yes, I guess we all have to agree with you on the above point.

> The United Kingdom has already been encoded there (as GB). Great Britain
> has not. A cursory glance at ISO 3166 confirms this...

Exactly - only a cursory glance! 

Only look beyond that and see how reality requires 'UK' be included in
ISO 3166 to accommodate the actual fact (reality) that the e-mail
territorial address identifier for the entire territory (Great Britain
_and_ Northern Ireland) is actually .UK (as in www.bbc.co.uk,
smo.uhi.ac,uk, www.qub.ac.uk, www.cadw.wales.gov.uk, etc., etc.).

Only logical.

Again, the request is not to change 'GB', but only to add 'UK' as the
identifier already in use for e-mail and websites.

In passing, I do not pretend either to understand or agree with what
Harald says (below), but suppose one must take it into account.
mg

Scríobh Harald Tveit Alvestrand:
> ...
> "United Kingdom" is a stupid name for a

Re: Re: Åland

Note to the lists:

The text Marion quotes was sent in private email.
I did not send it to any mailing lists, and had no wish to bring the topic 
to either the Unicode, the LTRU or the TC46 list.

My apologies if this message serves to prolong such debate on those lists; 
it might be relevant to TC46, but I don't think it's relevant to Unicode or 
LTRU.

                     Harald Alvestrand

--On 2. november 2005 18:30 +0000 Marion Gunn <mgunn <at> egt.ie> wrote:

> In passing, I do not pretend either to understand or agree with what
> Harald says (below), but suppose one must take it into account.

Note to the lists:

The text Marion quotes was sent in private email.
I did not send it to any mailing lists, and had no wish to bring the topic 
to either the Unicode, the LTRU or the TC46 list.

My apologies if this message serves to prolong such debate on those lists; 
it might be relevant to TC46, but I don't think it's relevant to Unicode or 
LTRU.

                     Harald Alvestrand

Re: Åland

That is only due to a misleading bug in ISO 3166 (part two of which is
currently under review), which equates GB ('Great Britain') to a
higher-level territory (UK) of which it is only a part ('The United
Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland') and which ignores the
fact that the e-mail territorial address identifier for the entire
territory is actually .UK (as in www.bbc.co.uk, smo.uhi.ac,uk,
www.qub.ac.uk, www.cadw.wales.gov.uk, etc., etc.).

Hope this helps,
mg

Scríobh Kent Karlsson:
> 
> 
> The English name for the territory code "GB" is "United Kingdom"...
> 
>         /kent k

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Marion Gunn * EGTeo (Estab.1991)
27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn, Baile an 
Bhóthair, Co. Átha Cliath, Éire.
* mgunn <at> egt.ie * eamonn <at> egt.ie *

ISO 3166-2 vote (was: Re: Åland )

Thank you all for your responses, especially John. 

I'll try to make one reply fit all, offering apologies
to anyone
feeling the topic is out of place on his/her list, or outside their normal
field of expertise.

This is a relatively simple matter of 3 facts and 1 question. 

F1 ISO 3166-2 is currently under review;
F2 UK is Northern Ireland's e-mail/webtag;
F3 UK is not currently listed in ISO 3166.
Q1 Woul you like to support its inclusion?

If you do, your National Body can act on that. If you dont, the
question just goes away for another 5 years. Either way, asking is
good and no harm can be done.

mg 

Scríobh John Clews:
> 
> Just to put some sense into this discussion from a UK resident: most other
> correspondents about GB/UK are not UK residents.
> 
> I find myself agreeing with some elements from most contributors, but
> would also like to add some additional facts and corrections.
> 
> 1. The formal name of the country concerned is

Re: Re: Åland

Sigh - apologies to Harald, then - it is hard to direct such volumes of
traffic suitably (having a relevant ISO 3166 list might help).
mg

Scríobh Harald Tveit Alvestrand:
> 
> Note to the lists...
>                      Harald Alvestrandi

Re: Re: �land

At 13:47 03/11/2005, Marion Gunn wrote:
>Sigh - apologies to Harald, then - it is hard to direct such volumes of
>traffic suitably (having a relevant ISO 3166 list might help).
>mg

if that can be of interest to you, I can set-up http://3166.info and 
run a mailing list on it for you.
I agree it would unload a lot of mailing lists. However in the case 
of this WG I still have difficulties undestanding what an 
administrative boarder can have to do with a language. But if it may 
help, you welcome.
jfc