Peter Constable | 4 May 2012 22:22
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RE: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: Slovene

There are various distinct issues:

1. providing enough description to make reasonably clear the intended denotation

2. providing a preferred display name (in language X, or an autoglottonym) for the language

3. providing a comprehensive set of names that might be the way a user might expect (e.g. terms that they
might use to search for the language in a language picker UI)

4. providing translations of terms in 2 or 3 in various languages

5. providing an exhaustive listing of names known to ever be used for the language in linguistic
documentation (for purposes of documentation, not for use in any ICT implementation)

Certain #1 is within the scope of the LSTR. It's not clear that any of the others are in scope.


Peter

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Michael Everson <everson at evertype dot com> wrote:

> I don't think this is within our scope. ISO 639 can add such a
> synonym, can they not?
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Doug Ewell | 5 May 2012 01:46
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Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: Slovene

Peter Constable wrote:

> There are various distinct issues:
>
> 1. providing enough description to make reasonably clear the intended
>    denotation
>
> 2. providing a preferred display name (in language X, or an
>    autoglottonym) for the language
>
> 3. providing a comprehensive set of names that might be the way a user
>    might expect (e.g. terms that they might use to search for the
>    language in a language picker UI)
>
> 4. providing translations of terms in 2 or 3 in various languages
>
> 5. providing an exhaustive listing of names known to ever be used for
>    the language in linguistic documentation (for purposes of
>    documentation, not for use in any ICT implementation)
>
> Certain #1 is within the scope of the LSTR. It's not clear that any of
> the others are in scope.

I think it should be obvious that neither #4 nor #5 is being attempted 
here, nor really #3 in the true sense of "comprehensive." Slovene is 
certainly "a" preferred display name for this language, so maybe #2.

Clearly the ISO 639 folks (both -2 and -3) have provided, and the 
Registry has carried over, many additional names that are sometimes just 
alternative spellings (Kuanyama and Kwanyama), sometimes regionally 
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CE Whitehead | 7 May 2012 18:18
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LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: Slovene

Hi.

Doug Ewell doug at ewellic.org
Sat May 5 01:46:22 CEST 2011
> Peter Constable wrote: >> There are various distinct issues: >> >> 1. providing enough description to make reasonably clear the intended >> denotation >> >> 2. providing a preferred display name (in language X, or an >> autoglottonym) for the language >> >> 3. providing a comprehensive set of names that might be the way a user >> might expect (e.g. terms that they might use to search for the >> language in a language picker UI) >> >> 4. providing translations of terms in 2 or 3 in various languages >> >> 5. providing an exhaustive listing of names known to ever be used for >> the language in linguistic documentation (for purposes of >> documentation, not for use in any ICT implementation) >> >> Certain #1 is within the scope of the LSTR. It's not clear that any of >> the others are in scope. > I think it should be obvious that neither #4 nor #5 is being attempted > here, nor really #3 in the true sense of "comprehensive." Slovene is > certainly "a" preferred display name for this language, so maybe #2. Agreed with Doug that this seems to be a "preferred display name." > Clearly the ISO 639 folks (both -2 and -3) have provided, and the > Registry has carried over, many additional names that are sometimes just > alternative spellings (Kuanyama and Kwanyama), sometimes regionally > preferred names (Catalan and Valencian), and sometimes... well, I don’t > know what value is added (Limburgan, Limburger, Limburgish). Of course > these are ISO 639's responsibility and not strictly ours. I myself am somewhat "lukewarm" (meaning not particularly excited) about our adding this description, since I'm not sure whether it's within scope either, but I feel safest deferring to the rest of the list as to what's in scope regarding the added description.
. > I won't fight hard over this one if it's going to derail Tomaž's other > three proposals. Yes I agree; the other three registrations should go through regardless, in my opinion also.
Best,
--C. E. Whitehead
cewcathar <at> hotmail.com
 > -- > Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA > http://www.ewellic.org | <at> DougEwell
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Michael Everson | 31 May 2012 19:59
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LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: Standard Cornish

LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
1. Name of requester:

Michael Everson

2. E-mail address of requester:

everson <at> evertype.com

3. Record Requested:

Type: variant
Subtag: kscor
Description: Standard Cornish orthography of Revived Cornish
Description: Kernowek Standard
Prefix: kw-

4. Intended meaning of the subtag:

This variant subtag is used to identify the Standard Cornish orthography as published by Nicholas Williams.

5. Reference to published description of the language (book or article):

Williams, Nicholas. 2012. Desky Kernowek: An Complete Guide to Cornish. Cathair na Mart: Evertype. ISBN 978-1-904808-99-2

See also the Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernowek_Standard

6. Any other relevant information:

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Michael Everson | 1 Jun 2012 00:14
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Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: Standard Cornish

On 31 May 2012, at 23:08, Phillips, Addison wrote:

> Note: the Prefix field should not contain an ending "-"

OK. I copied the one of the previous Cornish applications. (This one wasn't made at that time because a
formal specification of the orthography had not at that time been published.)

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Phillips, Addison | 1 Jun 2012 00:08
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RE: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: Standard Cornish

Note: the Prefix field should not contain an ending "-"

Addison

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> Subject: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: Standard Cornish
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> LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
> 1. Name of requester:
> 
> Michael Everson
> 
> 2. E-mail address of requester:
> 
> everson <at> evertype.com
> 
> 3. Record Requested:
> 
> Type: variant
> Subtag: kscor
> Description: Standard Cornish orthography of Revived Cornish
> Description: Kernowek Standard
> Prefix: kw-
> 
> 4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
> 
> This variant subtag is used to identify the Standard Cornish orthography as
> published by Nicholas Williams.
> 
> 5. Reference to published description of the language (book or article):
> 
> Williams, Nicholas. 2012. Desky Kernowek: An Complete Guide to Cornish.
> Cathair na Mart: Evertype. ISBN 978-1-904808-99-2
> 
> See also the Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernowek_Standard
> 
> 6. Any other relevant information:
> 
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