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CE Whitehead | 26 May 17:38
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Re: [Ltru] Issue #48 Hosting of mailing list (Apps #1)


Hi, I joined the list in 2006 as a complete outsider and it works well as far as I can see; there are occasionally minor issues but so far no one's request for a subtag has been forgotten and decisions can be appealed to ietf!

 
(I'm sorry we don't have a bit more diversity on the list's more 'permanent' membership, but it's up to individuals to subscribe to the list, not to ietf-languages to recruit them, and in general it seems that the computing is dominated still by white males.  We do have several women permanently on the list)
 
Best,
 
C. E. Whitehead
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From: "Randy Presuhn" <randy_presuhn at mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:45:23 -0700
> Hi - > As a technical contributor... >> 1). In Section 3.5: >> >> > The ietf-languages list is an open list and can be joined by sending >> > a request to <ietf-languages-request at iana.org>. The list can be >> > hosted by IANA or by any third party at the request of IESG. >> >> It is not clear how the "third party" option would interact with IANA >> managing the registry. > What interaction would be needed? ietf-languages at iana.org has > been operated by a thrid party for many years without issue. > > The lists either have to be managed by IANA on an IANA system or have to > > be routed through IANA systems. > This is simply not true. >> If there is a desire to be able to delegate handling of this mailing >> list to a third party, then perhaps >> the mailing list should be in a separate subdomain, e.g. >> ietf-languages at languages.iana.org. Why? > I think this needs to be discussed further with IANA. I disagree. The text in question describes an arrangement that has worked well for a long time. Randy 

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Thomas Goldammer | 26 May 19:00

little reminder ;)

2009/5/26 CE Whitehead <cewcathar <at> hotmail.com>:
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> but so far no one's
> request for a subtag has been forgotten and decisions can be appealed to
> ietf!
>

Btw..., what is about my request on Erzgebirgisch of (IIRC) March
2008? I didn't hear about it for quite a while... I actually do want
it to be tagged to [vmf] because that's the linguistic affiliation and
for those who know both varieties and also [sxu], it's obvious anyway.
;o) There is now a nice web page on varieties in Bavaria by the State
Library of Bavaria (
http://sprachatlas.bayerische-landesbibliothek-online.de/ ).
Erzgebirgisch is of course not on their map, because its area doesn't
extend into Bavaria, but it matches those in the north/northeast
(which are vmf) nearly completely.

Best regards,
Thomas.

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Doug Ewell | 27 May 14:54
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Re: little reminder ;)

Thomas Goldammer <thogol at googlemail dot com> wrote:

> Btw..., what is about my request on Erzgebirgisch of (IIRC) March
> 2008? I didn't hear about it for quite a while... I actually do want
> it to be tagged to [vmf] because that's the linguistic affiliation and
> for those who know both varieties and also [sxu], it's obvious anyway.

It hasn't been forgotten.  Unfortunately, choosing a Prefix of either 
'vmf' or 'sxu' requires that this request wait for the approval of RFC 
4646bis, which will support ISO 639-3-based subtags like these, and RFC 
4646bis is *still* caught up in the same cycle of endless debate and 
delay as it was a year ago.

Each time a new reviewer brings up a minor or previously discussed 
topic, we spend weeks debating it, taking straw polls, waiting for the 
revised text to be fine-tuned, and sometimes just waiting for days or 
weeks for no apparent reason.  At this moment, there are discussions 
about deleting a single "unnecessary" reference (spotted by an outside 
reviewer) that had existed in predecessor documents for 8 years without 
controversy.  Even though the document has long since cleared Working 
Group Last Call and IETF Last Call, these cycles of delay continue.

Meanwhile, users like you who are simply waiting for ISO 639-3 code 
elements to become available have no choice but to continue waiting.  I 
was one of the people who assured you last year that we would surely be 
done by the end of 2008, and I apologize for that.  At this rate I can't 
even promise 2009.

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Thomas Goldammer | 27 May 15:36

Re: little reminder ;)

2009/5/27, Doug Ewell <doug <at> ewellic.org>:
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>  Meanwhile, users like you who are simply waiting for ISO 639-3 code
> elements to become available have no choice but to continue waiting.  I was
> one of the people who assured you last year that we would surely be done by
> the end of 2008, and I apologize for that.  At this rate I can't even
> promise 2009.

ok... Well, I'll just poke you again in a year if nothing is heard by
then. *sigh*

Best wishes (also for the ongoing debates...)
Thomas.

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