RE: Questions on ISO 639-3
Lang Gérard <gerard.lang <at> insee.fr>
2008-12-03 11:21:41 GMT
Dear All,
1-ISO 3166-1 reflects the actual situation, as considered by the international law, and registered by the
United Nations (division of statistics and terminological Bulletin).
For this law, Scotlang is a part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, that is coded
(GB, GBR, 826) inside ISO 3166-1.
2-Scotland, that is considered (like England) as a "country" inside GB (Northern Ireland being a
"province" and Wales being a "principality" for the british law) is coded SCT inside the entry GB of ISO
3166-2, that also gives code elements for each of the the 32 scottish council areas.
3-In the past, Scotland has been an independant country, and this is to be reflected inside the revision of
the french experimental standard AFNOR XP 44-002 (Août 1997) "Code pour la représentation des noms de
pays historiques" that codes the representation of names of historic countries (from 1815 to 1974) with
alpha-5 code elements, that will go back in the history until year 1000.
Gérard LANG
Chairman of ISO 3166.
-----Message d'origine-----
De : ietf-languages-bounces <at> alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces <at> alvestrand.no] De la
part de Phillips, Addison
Envoyé : mardi 2 décembre 2008 19:41
À : Marion Gunn
Cc : ietf-languages <at> alvestrand.no
Objet : RE: Questions on ISO 639-3
This, uh, has nothing to do with ISO 636, AFAICT? And ISO 3166-1 registers pretty much what governments
request of it. The language subtag registry doesn't control either of those standards: it mirrors them.
In cases where those standards are not adequate for identifying languages, this list exists to provide
for registration of subtags so that this is not a problem. Hence "en-scotland" (which must not be confused
with the Scots language, which has its own code).
Addison
Addison Phillips
Globalization Architect -- Lab126
Internationalization is not a feature.
It is an architecture.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marion Gunn [mailto:mgunn <at> egt.ie]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM
> To: Phillips, Addison
> Cc: ietf-languages <at> alvestrand.no; Karen_Broome <at> spe.sony.com
> Subject: Re: Questions on ISO 639-3
>
> With all due respect, Addison, what you say below is NOT what Sony's
> Karen actually said, although it is closer to the truth: the truth
> being that Scotland is a country wholly enclosed within the UK and
> Ireland a country partially enclosed within the UK and that, although
> it suits 639's current architects to ignore such facts as that both
> those countries are among countries older than the UK or the USA
> inconvenienced by 639 and 3166, there remain many such problems with
> 639 and 3166, which rearranging the deckchairs on such lists as this
> one will not fix.
> mg
>
> Scotland Phillips, Addison:
> >
> > What Karen is actually saying is: "Scotland does not have an ISO
> > 3166-1 code assigned to it". Scotland is certainly a nation.
> Whether
> > it qualifies as a separate country depends on criteria not
> established
> > here but rather at ISO 3166.
> >
> >
> >
> > Addison
> >
> >
> >
> > Addison Phillips
> >
> > Globalization Architect -- Lab126
> >
> >
> >
> > Internationalization is not a feature.
> >
> > It is an architecture.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* ietf-languages-bounces <at> alvestrand.no
> > [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces <at> alvestrand.no] *On Behalf Of
> *Marion Gunn
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:05 AM
> > *To:* ietf-languages <at> alvestrand.no; Karen_Broome <at> spe.sony.com
> > *Subject:* RE: Questions on ISO 639-3
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:44:18 -0800
> >
> > From: "Broome, Karen" <Karen_Broome <at> spe.sony.com>
> <mailto:Karen_Broome <at> spe.sony.com>
> >
> > Subject: RE: Questions on ISO 639-3
> >
> >
> >
> > Scotland is not a country.
> >
> >
> >
> > Karen Broom
> >
> >
> > *Scotland IS a country, Karen* (a great country over a thousand
> years
> > older than Germany - well, even the USA is an older country than
> > Germany!), whatever you and Sony Corp may believe (or wish others
> > believed). How can it be that new countries, such as Bosnia and
> Kosovo
> > and other countries only recently emerged from bloody wars, are
> now
> > being accepted as legitimate countries by the politically-
> motivated
> > using as tools lists such as this (for the purposes of ISO 639
> > currently under joint US-Austrian control), who refuse to accept
> as
> > legitimate countries so many peaceful old countries with their
> own
> > ancient legal and admistrative systems, such as Scotland is?
> > mg
> >
> > --
> >
> > Marion Gunn * eGteo (Estab.1991)
> >
> > 27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn, Baile an
> >
> > Bhóthair, An Charraig Dhubh,
> >
> > Co. Átha Cliath, Éire/Ireland
> >
> > * mgunn <at> egt.ie <mailto:mgunn <at> egt.ie> * eamonn <at> egt.ie
> > <mailto:eamonn <at> egt.ie> *
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Marion Gunn * eGteo (Estab.1991)
>
> 27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn, Baile an
>
> Bhóthair, An Charraig Dhubh,
>
> Co. Átha Cliath, Éire/Ireland
>
> * mgunn <at> egt.ie * eamonn <at> egt.ie *
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