Hello,

The ISO 639-3/RA has announced (on 2008-02-18) an update to the outcomes of the 2007 series of change requests. There are two requests from 2007 on which decisions have not been announced (and these decisions may not be imminent). New download tables have also been posted, incorporating the most recent additions, changes and retirements.

Summary of changes: http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/default.asp
Download tables: http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/download.asp
Remaining change requests: http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/chg_requests.asp

Best regards,

Joan Spanne
ISO 639-3/RA
SIL International
7500 W Camp Wisdom Rd
Dallas, TX 75236
ISO639-3 <at> sil.org

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Doug,

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question. I guess they are looking at the German dialect classifications very carefully in preparation for the next version of Ethnologue. I pinged them late last week and they said they were still reviewing my request.

Regards,

Karen Broome


ietf-languages-bounces <at> alvestrand.no wrote on 02/16/2008 09:59:22 AM:

> On January 30, Michael Everson <everson at evertype dot com> wrote:
>
> > I have no objection to the subtag "erzgeb"
>
> What is our status with this request?  I seem to remember that Karen had
> written to the Ethnologue people for a clarification of their listing of
> Erzgebirgisch as a dialect of both German and Upper Saxon.  Has any
> response come back?  Do we need to make a decision on our own?
>
> Since Thomas proposed this subtag four weeks ago, and the proposal form
> was impeccable and the existence of the dialect undeniable, I hope we
> can get a subtag added to the Registry before much further delay.
>
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I'll pester them right now. I haven't heard back.

Karen Broome

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer <at> nic.fr> 02/21/2008 12:21 PM

To Karen_Broome <at> spe.sony.com cc ietf-languages <at> iana.org Subject Description: Alsatian (Was: LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION FORM

On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 02:05:57PM -0800,
Karen_Broome <at> spe.sony.com <Karen_Broome <at> spe.sony.com> wrote
a message of 295 lines which said:

> I applied for the change with the ISO 639-2 registrar. The IANA
> request should remain on hold, pending the outcome of the ISO
> request.

Any news on that change? I do not know where to see the list of
pending requests for IOS 639-2 (the equivalent of
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/chg_requests.asp for ISO 639-3).

http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/ does not seem to offer this
service.

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For what it's worth.... Read entire thread.


----- Forwarded by Karen Broome/LA/SPE on 02/22/2008 12:51 PM -----

Karen Broome/LA/SPE 02/22/2008 12:15 PM

To "Rebecca S. Guenther" <rgue <at> loc.gov> cc Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer <at> nic.fr> Subject Re: ISO 639-2 Language Code Change RequestLink

Rebecca,

Thank you for your reply. How is this different from Schwyzerdütsch or Alemannic or Castilian? All of those are names for the language only in particular dialects. This seems to be inconsistent with the other alternate names found in ISO 639-2.

Regards,

Karen Broome

"Rebecca S. Guenther" <rgue <at> loc.gov> 02/22/2008 07:27 AM

To Karen_Broome <at> spe.sony.com cc Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer <at> nic.fr> Subject Re: ISO 639-2 Language Code Change Request

I do apologize; I thought that Havard Hjulstad was going to respond. I am
sorry for the annoyance and am glad that you contacted me again.

Essentially the question we discussed is whether "Alsatian" is perceived
as a name of a dialect, or as a name for the language. If it is a dialect,
we do not necessarily add an alternate name for it, since we say in the
introduction that a dialect is coded for the language of which it is a
variant. But if some may consider "Alsatian" to be an alternate name by
which they refer to the language coded as "gsw", then we would add it. We
are not certain that indeed this is the case, so would ask that you give
evidence that "Alsatian" is used by some group of people as a language
name rather than the name of a dialect within that language.

If you could provide a citation from a reputable source that states that
indeed this is the case, we can add it as an alternate name.

Rebecca
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 Karen_Broome <at> spe.sony.com wrote:

> IANA is still waiting on your answer. Has there been any progress? This is
> delaying our ability to fulfill a tag request for this language.
>
> Karen Broome
>
>
>
>
> "Rebecca S. Guenther" <rgue <at> loc.gov>
> 01/16/2008 06:24 AM
>
> To
> karen_broome <at> spe.sony.com
> cc
>
> Subject
> Re: ISO 639-2 Language Code Change Request
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Karen:
>
> I did receive this last week and the committee is currently discussing it.
> I will get back to you soon.
>
> Rebecca
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^  Rebecca S. Guenther                                   ^^
> ^^  Senior Networking and Standards Specialist            ^^
> ^^  Network Development and MARC Standards Office         ^^
> ^^  1st and Independence Ave. SE                          ^^
> ^^  Library of Congress                                   ^^
> ^^  Washington, DC 20540-4402                             ^^
> ^^  (202) 707-5092 (voice)    (202) 707-0115 (FAX)        ^^
> ^^  rgue <at> loc.gov                                          ^^
> ^^                                                        ^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, NDMSO wrote:
>
> >
> > ISO 639-2 Language Code Change Request.
> >
> > English name of Language:   Swiss German
> > French name of Language:   alémanique
> > iso_639_2_b:   gsw
> > iso_639_2_t:   gsw
> > change_requested:   This request is to add \"Alsatian\" as a language
> name to this entity.
> >
> > This request is in synch with the Ethnologue page for gsw referenced by
> ISO 639-3. I am a member of the IETF language tags working group and the
> inclusion of this name will help users looking for a code for Alsatian in
> the IANA registry.
> > Submitter's name:   Karen Broome
> > Submitter's email :   karen_broome <at> spe.sony.com
> > Submitter's status :   I am in charge of metadata standards at Sony
> Pictures and work with the LTRU group for the IETF. I also work with many
> audiovisual technical standards that require codes for dubbed and
> subtitled languages. I am the original registrant of the gsw tag.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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I did send on an additional note with a URL to the Ethnologue site, particularly drawing their attention to the comments field at the top of the entry. But as you note, this was already on the application I submitted and doesn't seem to be considered "reputable." While we're still finding errors in Ethnologue, I haven't seen anything that addresses the same subject as completely as it does. If there is something better out there, I haven't seen it.

Regards,

Karen Broome

"Frank Ellermann" <nobody <at> xyzzy.claranet.de> Sent by: ietf-languages-bounces <at> alvestrand.no 02/22/2008 03:06 PM Please respond to Frank Ellermann <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz <at> gmail.com>

To ietf-languages <at> alvestrand.no cc Subject Re: Alsatian answer from LOC

Karen Broome wrote:

> For what it's worth.... Read entire thread.

Hm.

[Rebecca S. Guenther wrote:]
>| But if some may consider "Alsatian" to be an alternate name by
>| which they refer to the language coded as "gsw", then we would
>| add it. We are not certain that indeed this is the case, so
>| would ask that you give evidence that "Alsatian" is used by
>| some group of people as a language name rather than the name
>| of a dialect within that language.

>| If you could provide a citation from a reputable source that
>| states that indeed this is the case, we can add it as an
>| alternate name.

A challenge.  I found a reputable source cited by the DGLFLF on
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/dglf/lgfrance/lgfrance_archives.htm
mentioning "dialecte allemand d'Alsace et de Moselle" on
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/dglf/lang-reg/rapport_cerquiglini/langues-france.html

That would de-FR-alsacien instead of gsw-FR, therefore it's not
what we want.  Why do the ISO 639-2 folks reject ISO 639-3 info
as second reputable source ?  

Frank

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