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Doug Ewell | 1 Jul 19:05
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Re: NEW-MODIFY LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION for "Ethi"

Addison Phillips <addison at yahoo dash inc dot com> wrote:

> I agree that the order in the registry is not significant. Consider 
> the many names of Old Church Slavonic.

Randy and Addison are correct.  If anyone is taking the order to be 
significant, it is outside the boundaries of the RFC.

In my tag-generating application, the user can either select the name of 
a language (etc.) from a drop-down list box or can type the subtag 
directly.  Changing one field automatically changes the other, so if you 
type "en" the drop-down list will display "English."  For the languages 
(etc.) that have multiple Description fields, I had to choose one to be 
displayed in this scenario.  So you can select either "Spanish" or 
"Castilian" to generate subtag "es", but if you type "es" in the edit 
box you will see "Spanish" and not "Castilian" in the drop-down.  This 
is intentional, but not meant to be prescriptive, and I understand it is 
outside the purview of the spec.  (The validation screen does show 
"Spanish; Castilian.")

> However, in this case it might be useful to choose a particular order.

The current document doesn't specify anything about this.  We should 
review this during the 3066ter cycle, to see whether it would be 
desirable (I think it would be, but am willing to be proven wrong). 
Debbie points out it would be a simple, low-cost change that might 
improve the relationship with ISO 11179.

> Also: has anyone considered my proposal of using the Comments field 
> for option (C)?
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Doug Ewell | 1 Jul 19:18
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New UN code elements for "Serbia" and "Montenegro"

The UN Statistics Division has assigned new 3-digit numeric M.49 code 
elements for Serbia (688) and for Montenegro (499), and has listed the 
previously assigned code element for Serbia and Montenegro (891) under 
the heading "Codes not in current use."

References:
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49alpha.htm
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49chang.htm

The first paragraph of Section 3.3 of draft-registry says that as new 
codes are assigned in (among others) UN M.49, the Reviewer MUST evaluate 
them for inclusion as new subtags in the Registry, and submit them if 
there is no conflict.

However, since it is widely expected that ISO 3166/MA will soon assign 
new alpha-2 (and alpha-3) code elements for these two countries, 
corresponding to these UN code elements, I suggest we do NOT rush to 
adopt the UN codes, but rather wait for the ISO codes to be announced.

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Doug Ewell
Fullerton, California, USA
http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/
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Mark Davis | 1 Jul 19:35
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Re: New UN code elements for "Serbia" and "Montenegro"

Agreed.

On 7/1/06, Doug Ewell <dewell <at> adelphia.net> wrote:
The UN Statistics Division has assigned new 3-digit numeric M.49 code
elements for Serbia (688) and for Montenegro (499), and has listed the
previously assigned code element for Serbia and Montenegro (891) under
the heading "Codes not in current use."

References:
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49alpha.htm
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49chang.htm

The first paragraph of Section 3.3 of draft-registry says that as new
codes are assigned in (among others) UN M.49, the Reviewer MUST evaluate
them for inclusion as new subtags in the Registry, and submit them if
there is no conflict.

However, since it is widely expected that ISO 3166/MA will soon assign
new alpha-2 (and alpha-3) code elements for these two countries,
corresponding to these UN code elements, I suggest we do NOT rush to
adopt the UN codes, but rather wait for the ISO codes to be announced.

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Doug Ewell
Fullerton, California, USA
http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/


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Michael Everson | 1 Jul 22:31
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Errors in ISO 15924 tables corrected

An error crept into the tables when last they were prepared. The 
first is trivial; The date for the introduction of Balinese 
mistakenly changed from 2004-05-29 to 2005-05-29. This has been 
corrected and the files will be uploaded shortly.

The informative page on code changes had the wrong date in the update 
field for many of the most recent updates (2005-11-22 rather than 
2006-06-21). This has been corrected and the table re-ordered so the 
newest changes are at the top of the table.

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Doug Ewell | 4 Jul 00:57
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REVISED-MODIFY LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION for "Ethi"

Based on the responses so far, *for Ethiopic only*, there seems to be 
general agreement that we should add both Description fields, one with 
the modifier letter U+02BB and one with the plain ASCII apostrophe.

This does not extend to the other subtags that currently have one type 
of apostrophe or another.  Some list members preferred to add the U+02BB 
version here because it was specified in ISO 15924, others because it 
was the "correct" character.  Because other subtags -- based on other 
standards -- do not necessarily have the "correct" apostrophe, these 
people would disagree and there would be no consensus at present for 
changing them.

When Michael returns, I invite him to suggest the "correct" apostrophe 
or modifier letter for Ol Cemet' (currently indicated with an ASCII 
apostrophe, which I know he dislikes) and change it accordingly in ISO 
15924 so the script subtag "Olck" can be added with the description(s) 
people want to see.

I've left the File-Date and Added dates the same as in the previous 
modification form, but note that all dates in outstanding proposals 
should be updated on the day they are submitted to IANA.

LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION
File-Date: 2006-06-28
%%
Type: script
Subtag: Ethi
Description: Ethiopic (Ge&#x2BB;ez)
Description: Ethiopic (Ge'ez)
Added: 2006-06-28
%%

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Doug Ewell
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Frank Ellermann | 11 Jul 23:02
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Re: More fun with descriptions: Divehi

Doug Ewell wrote:

> a pertinent question for us would be whether we should amend
> the language subtag for Divehi by adding two new lines, as
> follows (note that this is not a registration form):

> Type: language
> Subtag: dv
> Description: Divehi
> Description: Dhivehi       <- new line
> Description: Maldivian     <- new line
> Added: 2005-10-16
> Suppress-Script: Thaa

Make it so, "right or wrong, mirror the standard" was the plan.

Bye, Frank
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Frank Ellermann | 11 Jul 22:44
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Re: language variant subtag en-cutspell

Addison Phillips wrote:

> The subtag '1996', in practice, adds no distinguishing
> information to most documents. Although a few pedants no
> doubt use it regularly,

Spell-checkers tend to be pedantic, "1901"/"1996" could be
used to trigger the right of two pedants.  Not completely
pointless if used that way, and if some software supports
this distinction.

Agree with anything else you said, although migrating
a successful x-whatever experiment later is difficult.

Bye, Frank
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Doug Ewell | 12 Jul 16:41
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Re: More fun with descriptions: Divehi

Frank Ellermann <nobody at xyzzy dot claranet dot de> wrote:

> Make it so, "right or wrong, mirror the standard" was the plan.

That was the plan.  The plan has changed, at least somewhat, with some 
list members feeling it is important to use the "correct" character in 
Description fields even if it does not mirror the standard.

Because the Divehi change does not involve any apostrophes or non-ASCII, 
it should be non-controversial and I will submit it.

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Fullerton, California, USA
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Doug Ewell | 12 Jul 16:43
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NEW-MODIFY LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION for "dv"

Type: language
Subtag: dv
Description: Divehi
Description: Dhivehi
Description: Maldivian
Added: 2005-10-16
Suppress-Script: Thaa

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Doug Ewell
Fullerton, California, USA
http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/
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Addison Phillips | 12 Jul 18:03
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RE: NEW-MODIFY LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION for "dv"

+1

Addison Phillips
Internationalization Architect - Yahoo! Inc.

Internationalization is an architecture.
It is not a feature.  

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> Type: language
> Subtag: dv
> Description: Divehi
> Description: Dhivehi
> Description: Maldivian
> Added: 2005-10-16
> Suppress-Script: Thaa
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