Erik Nordmark | 5 Apr 2011 19:51
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TRILL WG last call on draft-ietf-trill-adj


We've received last call comments from a few people, and as a result the 
draft has been revised over the last three months, and we've also 
created draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-af-00.txt with some separate 
clarifications.

BUT I'd like to make sure we have sufficient number of reviewers for 
draft-ietf-trill-adj. If you've read it during the last call process 
(whether the -01 we started with, the most recent -05, or a version in 
between), please send a note to the mailing list.
Please do this even if you didn't find any issues with the document.

Thanks,
     Erik
hu.fangwei | 6 Apr 2011 02:53
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[rbridge] TRILL WG last call on draft-ietf-trill-adj


I've read the adjacency document(draft-ietf-trill-adj), and the document is fine.



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[rbridge] TRILL WG last call on draft-ietf-trill-adj






We've received last call comments from a few people, and as a result the
draft has been revised over the last three months, and we've also
created draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-af-00.txt with some separate
clarifications.

BUT I'd like to make sure we have sufficient number of reviewers for
draft-ietf-trill-adj. If you've read it during the last call process
(whether the -01 we started with, the most recent -05, or a version in
between), please send a note to the mailing list.
Please do this even if you didn't find any issues with the document.

Thanks,
    Erik

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Vishwas Manral | 6 Apr 2011 04:16
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Looks great to me too!!!

-Vishwas

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Erik Nordmark <nordmark <at> acm.org> wrote:
>
> We've received last call comments from a few people, and as a result the
> draft has been revised over the last three months, and we've also created
> draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-af-00.txt with some separate clarifications.
>
> BUT I'd like to make sure we have sufficient number of reviewers for
> draft-ietf-trill-adj. If you've read it during the last call process
> (whether the -01 we started with, the most recent -05, or a version in
> between), please send a note to the mailing list.
> Please do this even if you didn't find any issues with the document.
>
> Thanks,
>    Erik
>
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Vishwas Manral | 6 Apr 2011 04:15
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Re: [rbridge] TRILL WG last call on draft-ietf-trill-adj

Looks great to me too!!!

-Vishwas

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Erik Nordmark <nordmark <at> acm.org> wrote:
>
> We've received last call comments from a few people, and as a result the
> draft has been revised over the last three months, and we've also
> created draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-af-00.txt with some separate
> clarifications.
>
> BUT I'd like to make sure we have sufficient number of reviewers for
> draft-ietf-trill-adj. If you've read it during the last call process
> (whether the -01 we started with, the most recent -05, or a version in
> between), please send a note to the mailing list.
> Please do this even if you didn't find any issues with the document.
>
> Thanks,
>     Erik
>
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Dinesh Dutt | 6 Apr 2011 18:21
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Re: [rbridge] TRILL WG last call on draft-ietf-trill-adj

I've read the draft and have no unresolved issues,

Dinesh
On 04/05/2011 10:51 AM, Erik Nordmark wrote:
> We've received last call comments from a few people, and as a result the
> draft has been revised over the last three months, and we've also
> created draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-af-00.txt with some separate
> clarifications.
>
> BUT I'd like to make sure we have sufficient number of reviewers for
> draft-ietf-trill-adj. If you've read it during the last call process
> (whether the -01 we started with, the most recent -05, or a version in
> between), please send a note to the mailing list.
> Please do this even if you didn't find any issues with the document.
>
> Thanks,
>       Erik
>
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Yizhou Li | 6 Apr 2011 04:58
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I am fine with -05.

Yizhou

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Subject: [rbridge] TRILL WG last call on draft-ietf-trill-adj

We've received last call comments from a few people, and as a result the 
draft has been revised over the last three months, and we've also 
created draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-af-00.txt with some separate 
clarifications.

BUT I'd like to make sure we have sufficient number of reviewers for 
draft-ietf-trill-adj. If you've read it during the last call process 
(whether the -01 we started with, the most recent -05, or a version in 
between), please send a note to the mailing list.
Please do this even if you didn't find any issues with the document.

Thanks,
     Erik

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David Michael Bond | 6 Apr 2011 23:45

Re: [rbridge] TRILL WG last call on draft-ietf-trill-adj

I have also read this document and have not seen any issues.
-David

> We've received last call comments from a few people, and as a result the 
> draft has been revised over the last three months, and we've also 
> created draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-af-00.txt with some separate 
> clarifications.

> BUT I'd like to make sure we have sufficient number of reviewers for 
> draft-ietf-trill-adj. If you've read it during the last call process 
> (whether the -01 we started with, the most recent -05, or a version in 
> between), please send a note to the mailing list.
> Please do this even if you didn't find any issues with the document.

> Thanks,
>      Erik
mike shand | 7 Apr 2011 14:29
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Erik,

I've reviewed -5 and it looks good to me. Just a few very minor typos 
and one issue below.

     Mike

3.4 just below the table

TYPO:

"The special A0 even can transitions all"

Presumably should be "The special A0 event transitions all..."

4

SNPA. Technically, that should be SNPA address, not just SNPA. The MAC 
address is the address of the subnetwork point of attachment.

The same goes for other instances of SNPA where you really mean the 
address rather the point of attachment itself.

But this is a very small point. (similarly one should always talk about 
an NSAP address when one means the address, not "an NSAP" or indeed an 
IP address, not "an IP". But people do....

4.2 final para, final sentence

TYPO:
"If was..." -> "If it was..."

4.2.3?

TYPO:?

"in case the winning the DRB election changes,"

first "the" is probably superfluous

or perhaps "the winning of the...."

4.3

Apologies if I have missed the previous discussion of this, but I am a 
little surprised to see that event D1 now leads directly to DRB state 
given the stringent requirement to avoid duplicate DRBs. I would have 
expected a delay after being enabled, during which it listened for other 
hellos, before concluding that it was alone on the LAN and could become 
DRB. i.e. the previous pre-DRB state. I assume that this is covered by 
the inhibition of appointed forwarders referred to in the change notes 
and discussed in draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-af (which I have not yet read)

Assuming this is all benign, and given the stress placed in this 
document on not allowing multiple DRBs, I wonder if a short description 
of why this really is benign would be appropriate, or at least a 
reference to the af draft pointing out that this too affects DRB state..

Mike

On 05/04/2011 18:51, Erik Nordmark wrote:
>
> We've received last call comments from a few people, and as a result 
> the draft has been revised over the last three months, and we've also 
> created draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-af-00.txt with some separate 
> clarifications.
>
> BUT I'd like to make sure we have sufficient number of reviewers for 
> draft-ietf-trill-adj. If you've read it during the last call process 
> (whether the -01 we started with, the most recent -05, or a version in 
> between), please send a note to the mailing list.
> Please do this even if you didn't find any issues with the document.
>
> Thanks,
>     Erik
>
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Donald Eastlake | 7 Apr 2011 15:18
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Hi,

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:31 AM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have read the draft and support it.
>
> There is some clarity required at Section 4.1
> Suspended:
>         Operation of the port is suspended because there is a higher
>         priority port on the link with the same MAC address (SNPA).
>
> IMO;
> It should have been the "with the same LAN ID" as also mentioned in

I do not agree.

The LAN ID is a seven (technically length of System ID +1) byte field
in the fixed header portion of IS-IS Hello PDUs. It can be viewed as
the name of the link as assigned by the Designated Intermediate System
(DIS / DRB). In the steady state, every Intermediate System / RBridge
port on the link that is sending Hellos will be sending those Hellos
with the LAN ID field set to the value that is being dictated by the
DIS / DRB. Thus, if a port was suspended when it received a Hello from
a higher priority RBridge with the same LAN ID as it was sending, all
ports would be suspended except for the highest priority port of the
DRB. Since a suspended port cannot send or receive TRILL Data frames,
it would be impossible to send data in the campus except between end
stations that happened to be attached to the same RBridge.

Thus, I believe that MAC or Sub Network Point of Attachment address is correct.

> Section 8, RB1 can detect
>   this condition based on receiving TRILL LAN Hello messages with the
>   same LAN ID on multiple ports.

The condition referred to is one RBridge having multiple ports on a
link. (This is not the same as there being two or more ports on the
link with the same MAC/SNPA address, which is what suspension is based
on.) Since, in the stable state, every RBridge port on the link will
be sending Hellos with the same LAN ID, the text you quote from
Section 8 is one correct way for an RBridge to determine if it has two
or more ports on the same link.

Thanks,
Donald
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> BR,
> -Sujay
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Erik Nordmark <nordmark <at> acm.org> wrote:
>>
>> We've received last call comments from a few people, and as a result the
>> draft has been revised over the last three months, and we've also
>> created draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-af-00.txt with some separate
>> clarifications.
>>
>> BUT I'd like to make sure we have sufficient number of reviewers for
>> draft-ietf-trill-adj. If you've read it during the last call process
>> (whether the -01 we started with, the most recent -05, or a version in
>> between), please send a note to the mailing list.
>> Please do this even if you didn't find any issues with the document.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>     Erik
Radia Perlman | 7 Apr 2011 15:47
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I agree that Donald (and the document) are correct.  Section 4.1 is
about suspending ports when multiple things are using the same MAC
address on a links, and section 8 is about an RBridge detecting that
multiple of its (unsuspended) ports are on the same link.  These can
be used for load splitting and do not need to be suspended (since they
are not using the same MAC address).

Radia

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:31 AM, sujay gupta <sujay.ietf <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have read the draft and support it.
>>
>> There is some clarity required at Section 4.1
>> Suspended:
>>         Operation of the port is suspended because there is a higher
>>         priority port on the link with the same MAC address (SNPA).
>>
>> IMO;
>> It should have been the "with the same LAN ID" as also mentioned in
>
> I do not agree.
>
> The LAN ID is a seven (technically length of System ID +1) byte field
> in the fixed header portion of IS-IS Hello PDUs. It can be viewed as
> the name of the link as assigned by the Designated Intermediate System
> (DIS / DRB). In the steady state, every Intermediate System / RBridge
> port on the link that is sending Hellos will be sending those Hellos
> with the LAN ID field set to the value that is being dictated by the
> DIS / DRB. Thus, if a port was suspended when it received a Hello from
> a higher priority RBridge with the same LAN ID as it was sending, all
> ports would be suspended except for the highest priority port of the
> DRB. Since a suspended port cannot send or receive TRILL Data frames,
> it would be impossible to send data in the campus except between end
> stations that happened to be attached to the same RBridge.
>
> Thus, I believe that MAC or Sub Network Point of Attachment address is correct.
>
>> Section 8, RB1 can detect
>>   this condition based on receiving TRILL LAN Hello messages with the
>>   same LAN ID on multiple ports.
>
> The condition referred to is one RBridge having multiple ports on a
> link. (This is not the same as there being two or more ports on the
> link with the same MAC/SNPA address, which is what suspension is based
> on.) Since, in the stable state, every RBridge port on the link will
> be sending Hellos with the same LAN ID, the text you quote from
> Section 8 is one correct way for an RBridge to determine if it has two
> or more ports on the same link.
>
> Thanks,
> Donald
> =============================
>  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
>  155 Beaver Street
>  Milford, MA 01757 USA
>  d3e3e3 <at> gmail.com
>
>> BR,
>> -Sujay
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Erik Nordmark <nordmark <at> acm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> We've received last call comments from a few people, and as a result the
>>> draft has been revised over the last three months, and we've also
>>> created draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-af-00.txt with some separate
>>> clarifications.
>>>
>>> BUT I'd like to make sure we have sufficient number of reviewers for
>>> draft-ietf-trill-adj. If you've read it during the last call process
>>> (whether the -01 we started with, the most recent -05, or a version in
>>> between), please send a note to the mailing list.
>>> Please do this even if you didn't find any issues with the document.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>     Erik
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