TS Glassey | 2 Feb 19:32 2008
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Question about notifying the IETF of litigation - re the SSL litigation against Wachovia

For those of you who don't know, Wachovia was sued last week in the District 
Court's of California - The claim is simply that the USNO sold a practice 
patent which basically covers any and all cryptographic signature 
generation. It seems that this is pretty important.  The case number is 
SACV07-1427 AG.

It would be valuable to prepare a response to this if anyone else is 
interested.

Todd Glassey 
Internet-Drafts | 4 Feb 16:30 2008
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I-D Action:draft-ietf-ipr-3978-incoming-07.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Intellectual Property Rights Working Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Rights Contributors provide to the IETF Trust
	Author(s)       : S. Bradner, J. Contreras
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ipr-3978-incoming-07.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2008-02-04

The IETF policies about rights in Contributions to the IETF are
designed to ensure that such Contributions can be made available to
the IETF and Internet communities while permitting the authors to
retain as many rights as possible. This memo details the IETF
policies on rights in Contributions to the IETF. It also describes
the objectives that the policies are designed to meet.  This memo
obsoletes RFC 3978 and 4748 and, with RFC 3979 and RFC xxx (rfc
editor - replace with the RFC # of -outgoing), replaces Section 10 of
RFC 2026.

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Scott O. Bradner | 12 Feb 19:27 2008
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ABA book on rules fro standards orgs


relayed from Jorge L. Contreras

> I thought you would be interested to know that our Standards Development
> Patent Policy Manual is now on Google Books (with the blessing of ABA
> Publishing)

http://books.google.com/books?id=3Dq1_kqDJELucC&printsec=3Dfrontcover&sou=
Peter Saint-Andre | 12 Feb 19:29 2008

Re: ABA book on rules fro standards orgs

Scott O. Bradner wrote:
> relayed from Jorge L. Contreras
> 
>> I thought you would be interested to know that our Standards Development
>> Patent Policy Manual is now on Google Books (with the blessing of ABA
>> Publishing)
> 
> http://books.google.com/books?id=3Dq1_kqDJELucC&printsec=3Dfrontcover&sou=

I get a 404 there. But this works for me:

http://books.google.com/books?id=q1_kqDJELucC&dq=standards+development+patent

Peter

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TS Glassey | 12 Feb 19:52 2008
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Re: ABA book on rules fro standards orgs


http://books.google.com/books?id=q1_kqDJELucC&dq=standards+development+patent

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott O. Bradner" <sob <at> harvard.edu>
To: <ipr-wg <at> ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:27 AM
Subject: ABA book on rules fro standards orgs

>
> relayed from Jorge L. Contreras
>
>> I thought you would be interested to know that our Standards Development
>> Patent Policy Manual is now on Google Books (with the blessing of ABA
>> Publishing)
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=3Dq1_kqDJELucC&printsec=3Dfrontcover&sou=
> _______________________________________________
> Ipr-wg mailing list
> Ipr-wg <at> ietf.org
> http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipr-wg 
Simon Josefsson | 13 Feb 16:10 2008

Re: ABA book on rules fro standards orgs

sob <at> harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) writes:

> relayed from Jorge L. Contreras
>
>> I thought you would be interested to know that our Standards Development
>> Patent Policy Manual is now on Google Books (with the blessing of ABA
>> Publishing)
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=3Dq1_kqDJELucC&printsec=3Dfrontcover&sou=

As far as I can tell, that covers patents.  Or did I miss any part that
discuss copyright concerns?

/Simon
Contreras, Jorge | 13 Feb 16:33 2008

RE: ABA book on rules fro standards orgs


> As far as I can tell, that covers patents.  Or did I miss any 
> part that
> discuss copyright concerns?

That's why it's called the "Patent Policy Manual".  Look for the 
2nd edition, covering copyrights too, in a couple of years...
Scott O. Bradner | 13 Feb 17:27 2008
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Re: ABA book on rules fro standards orgs

> As far as I can tell, that covers patents.

yup

> Or did I miss any part that
> discuss copyright concerns?

easy to miss when its not there :-)

Scott
TS Glassey | 13 Feb 17:37 2008
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Re: ABA book on rules fro standards orgs

Scott - the problem is that there is NO WAY to separate the patent issues 
from the creation of an IP Standards to implement that technology as a 
system - i.e. something that could be patented.

What I am saying is that the IETF's viewpoint that it is clear of patent 
issues is wrong IMHO. The patent controls are key to making IETF standards 
'sustainable' in the bigger picture.

What that means is that the IETF needs to incorporate patent type controls 
into its technology licensing models as well, and to date it has dragged its 
feet on accomplishing these key growth issues IMHO.

Todd Glassey

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott O. Bradner" <sob <at> harvard.edu>
To: <simon <at> josefsson.org>; <sob <at> harvard.edu>
Cc: <ipr-wg <at> ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: ABA book on rules fro standards orgs

>> As far as I can tell, that covers patents.
>
> yup
>
>> Or did I miss any part that
>> discuss copyright concerns?
>
> easy to miss when its not there :-)
>
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Steven M. Bellovin | 13 Feb 17:45 2008

Re: ABA book on rules fro standards orgs

Todd: does this book say that?

We have a choice: we can follow your advice (and as far as I know
you're not a lawyer), or we can follow the advice of someone who not
only is a lawyer, but is also the *editor* of the ABA book on the
subject.  Why should any of us think you know more about the subject
than an ABA committee?

Gmane