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Brian E Carpenter | 1 Apr 08:48
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Re: Contributions on "other lists"


> What exactly does it mean if a WG is closed, and its list is kept alive?

It's clear enough to me that the definition of "contribution" in
RFC 3978 covers this case.

    Brian
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Frank Ellermann | 1 Apr 11:55
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Re: Contributions on "other lists"

Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> It's clear enough to me that the definition of "contribution" in
> RFC 3978 covers this case.

Does "any other list functioning under IETF auspices" cover _all_
lists noted on the "other lists" page, e.g. the xml2rfc list ?  

One way to reach the "other lists" is www.ietf.org -> maillist.html
(with a "Note Well") -> maillist-new1.html -> maillist-new4.html ->
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/nwg_list.cgi (other lists).

The "contribution" stuff is constant on that way.  It's also clear
that some lists are @ietf.org lists, and others are not.  For the
part about following rules like 3934 it's not clear what owners of
lists not @ietf.org can do (obviously they can remove their list
from the "other lists" page).  Is "they can do whatever they wish"
a good summary ?  In the maze of appeals in conjunction with the
2nd PR I lost track what the outcome for "other lists" was... :-(

Frank
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Brian E Carpenter | 2 Apr 10:08
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Re: Contributions on "other lists"

On 2007-04-01 11:55, Frank Ellermann wrote:
> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>  
>> It's clear enough to me that the definition of "contribution" in
>> RFC 3978 covers this case.
> 
> Does "any other list functioning under IETF auspices" cover _all_
> lists noted on the "other lists" page, e.g. the xml2rfc list ?  

IANAL. But it seems to me that the only safe interpretation is yes,
i.e. as far as I'm concerned, I consider the IPR rules to apply
in all these cases.

> 
> One way to reach the "other lists" is www.ietf.org -> maillist.html
> (with a "Note Well") -> maillist-new1.html -> maillist-new4.html ->
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/nwg_list.cgi (other lists).
> 
> The "contribution" stuff is constant on that way.  It's also clear
> that some lists are @ietf.org lists, and others are not.  For the
> part about following rules like 3934 it's not clear what owners of
> lists not @ietf.org can do (obviously they can remove their list
> from the "other lists" page).  Is "they can do whatever they wish"
> a good summary ?  In the maze of appeals in conjunction with the
> 2nd PR I lost track what the outcome for "other lists" was... :-(

In my opinion the outcome was that we needed to be more clear in
the posting rights rules, and so far the status is:
http://www.ietf.org/IESG/content/hartmanExpt.html
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todd glassey | 2 Apr 17:51
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Re: Contributions on "other lists"

Brian
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian E Carpenter" <brc <at> zurich.ibm.com>
To: "Frank Ellermann" <nobody <at> xyzzy.claranet.de>
Cc: <ipr-wg <at> ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: Contributions on "other lists"

> On 2007-04-01 11:55, Frank Ellermann wrote:
>> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>
>>> It's clear enough to me that the definition of "contribution" in
>>> RFC 3978 covers this case.
>>
>> Does "any other list functioning under IETF auspices" cover _all_
>> lists noted on the "other lists" page, e.g. the xml2rfc list ?
>
> IANAL. But it seems to me that the only safe interpretation is yes,
> i.e. as far as I'm concerned, I consider the IPR rules to apply
> in all these cases.

Does this specifically refer to lists which are bound by Note-Well or not? 
What if the other list is not participating in an IETF effort per Note Well. 
For instance, what happens when say Debian publishes those works on a list 
as a one-way process. Further since those parties are not involved in the 
IETF Standards Process,  Note-Well arguably doesnt apply to them.

Todd

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Frank Ellermann | 2 Apr 19:32
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Re: Contributions on "other lists"

Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> Section 3 of RFC 4633 offers a definition of "IETF mailing list"
> for the purposes of the experiment.

Thanks, I forgot the experiment, it claims to cover "other lists".

> None of which has anything to do with IPR disclosure rules.

ACK, only the "note well" page maillist.html mixes IPR + conduct.

Frank
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Russ Housley | 3 Apr 14:53

Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality Statements on Submissions to the IETF

I have been seeing more and more email postings that have privacy or 
confidentiality statements at the bottom.  I have not seen copyright 
on slides or email message.  Maybe that is happening too.

The IEEE 802.1 opening materials included the following statement:

    * Copyright statements or privacy/confidentiality
      statements of any kind SHALL NOT APPEAR on
      any contributions to 802, either in emails or in
      presentation material

Does the IETF have a similar statement?  If it is in our Note Well, 
then it is in one of the references.

Russ
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Contreras, Jorge | 3 Apr 15:08
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RE: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality Statements on Submissions to the IETF

Russ,

See Section 3.2 of RFC 3978, last sentence:

"Each Contributor agrees that any statement in a Contribution, whether
   generated automatically or otherwise, that states or implies that the
   Contribution is confidential or subject to any privilege, can be
   disregarded for all purposes, and will be of no force or effect."

Jorge 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley <at> vigilsec.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:54 AM
> To: ipr-wg <at> ietf.org
> Subject: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality Statements on Submissions
> to the IETF
> 
> 
> I have been seeing more and more email postings that have privacy or 
> confidentiality statements at the bottom.  I have not seen copyright 
> on slides or email message.  Maybe that is happening too.
> 
> The IEEE 802.1 opening materials included the following statement:
> 
>     * Copyright statements or privacy/confidentiality
>       statements of any kind SHALL NOT APPEAR on
>       any contributions to 802, either in emails or in
>       presentation material
>
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Brian E Carpenter | 3 Apr 16:18
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Re: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality Statements on Submissions to the IETF

As I recall, we adopted that formulation because some poor souls
are hidden behind corporate mail systems that forcibly attach
boilerplate, and we didn't want to prevent such victims from
posting.

     Brian

On 2007-04-03 15:08, Contreras, Jorge wrote:
> Russ,
> 
> See Section 3.2 of RFC 3978, last sentence:
>  
> "Each Contributor agrees that any statement in a Contribution, whether
>    generated automatically or otherwise, that states or implies that the
>    Contribution is confidential or subject to any privilege, can be
>    disregarded for all purposes, and will be of no force or effect."
>  
> Jorge 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley <at> vigilsec.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:54 AM
>> To: ipr-wg <at> ietf.org
>> Subject: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality Statements on Submissions
>> to the IETF
>>
>>
>> I have been seeing more and more email postings that have privacy or 
>> confidentiality statements at the bottom.  I have not seen copyright 
>> on slides or email message.  Maybe that is happening too.
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Scott O. Bradner | 3 Apr 16:24
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Re: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality Statements on Submissions to the IETF

brian sed:
> As I recall, we adopted that formulation because some poor souls
> are hidden behind corporate mail systems that forcibly attach
> boilerplate, and we didn't want to prevent such victims from
> posting.

that is what I recall as well

Scott
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Russ Housley | 3 Apr 16:53

RE: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality Statements on Submissions to the IETF

Thanks.

At 09:08 AM 4/3/2007, Contreras, Jorge wrote:
>Russ,
>
>See Section 3.2 of RFC 3978, last sentence:
>
>"Each Contributor agrees that any statement in a Contribution, whether
>    generated automatically or otherwise, that states or implies that the
>    Contribution is confidential or subject to any privilege, can be
>    disregarded for all purposes, and will be of no force or effect."
>
>Jorge
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley <at> vigilsec.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:54 AM
> > To: ipr-wg <at> ietf.org
> > Subject: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality Statements on Submissions
> > to the IETF
> >
> >
> > I have been seeing more and more email postings that have privacy or
> > confidentiality statements at the bottom.  I have not seen copyright
> > on slides or email message.  Maybe that is happening too.
> >
> > The IEEE 802.1 opening materials included the following statement:
> >
> >     * Copyright statements or privacy/confidentiality
> >       statements of any kind SHALL NOT APPEAR on
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