Harry Lewis | 1 Oct 06:21 2003
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PWG-ANNOUNCE> Raising NYC meeting fee


NYC is an expensive town. Our (daily) fees were already higher than average. Now, due to some unexpected additional costs and a lower than predicted turnout (based on registration) we are having to raise our daily meeting fee from $80 to $100 per day. This increase will be reflected on your receipt.

My apologies for the last minute increase. Even with this, the PWG is absorbing a sizable loss on the October 2003 meeting. I think we should keep these costs in mind when picking location for our 2004 agenda. On the up side, Ami was able to get us a very good room rate for NYC so we do have some savings, there.
----------------------------------------------
Harry Lewis
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
----------------------------------------------
McDonald, Ira | 1 Oct 21:00 2003

PWG-ANNOUNCE> FW: [CSS2.1] Notification of Last Call review start

Hi,

Last call of W3C CSS v2.1 spec through 10 October.

Of particular interest to XHTML-Print and CR folks.

Cheers,
- Ira McDonald
  High North Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Ishida [mailto:ishida <at> w3.org]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:02 AM
To: www-international <at> w3.org
Subject: [CSS2.1] Notification of Last Call review start

The CSS 2.1 specification [1] is currently in Last Call until 10th
October, and the I18N WG is reviewing it.

We encourage you to look at the specification.  

If you have internationalization concerns related to the specification,
please bring them up for discussion on this list, using a subject that
starts with [CSS2.1]. This will enable the WG to monitor list
discussions that may provide additional feedback for the formal review.

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/

[This is the first of a hopefully regular posting about specifications
that are being reviewed for internationalization issues by the I18N
Working Group.  For information about other upcoming reviews, see
http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews.html ]

============
Richard Ishida
W3C

contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ 

http://www.w3.org/International/ 
http://www.w3.org/International/geo/ 

See the W3C Internationalization FAQ page
http://www.w3.org/International/questions.html

Zehler, Peter | 2 Oct 17:54 2003
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IPP> REMINDER/corrected: Semantic Model Teleconference info (10/02)

All,

We will have a Semantic Model Teleconference this week at the usual time.  The teleconference details are below.  The agenda is below.  Bring any new comment/issues you have with you and email them to me if possible.   The current list of comments is appended below.

Agenda:

1)      Adjust agenda
2)      Quick status of SM, Schema, JobX, Overrides and Document Object
3)      Discuss upcoming face to face
a.      Thursday(1/2 day am)   IPP extensions,  JobX
b.      Thursday (1/2 day pm)  SM
4)      Review any comments/issues
a.      Handle editorial first
b.      Discuss more involved comments and issues
5)      Next steps

Pete

          Peter Zehler

          XEROX

          Xerox Innovation Group

          Email: PZehler <at> crt.xerox.com

          Voice:    (585) 265-8755

          FAX:      (585) 422-7961

          US Mail: Peter Zehler

                    Xerox Corp.

                    800 Phillips Rd.

                    M/S 128-25E

                    Webster NY, 14580-9701


Meeting Date: 10/02/2003

Meeting Time: 1:00 PM EASTERN (10:00 AM Pacific)

Instant Meeting Details:

---------------------------

USA Toll Free Number: 877-707-6056

VNET Number(Xerox): 8*594-0077

Participant Passcode: 437874

Meeting Date: 10/02/2003

Meeting Time: 1:00 PM Eastern (11:00 AM Pacific)

Instant Net Conference Details:

-------------------------------

Meeting Number:          747275324

Meeting Passcode:        PwgSm

Meeting Host:            Pete Zehler

Join Instructions for Instant Net Conference:


REPEAT USERS

1. Join the meeting now:

http://www.mymeetings.com/nc/join.php?i=747275324&p=PwgSm&t=c

2. Enter your name

3. Agree to the Terms & Conditions and click Proceed.

NEW USERS

1. Go to http://www.mymeetings.com/nc/

2. Type in the Meeting Number

3. Type in the Meeting Passcode (if one was provided)

4. Choose "Conference" and click Proceed

5. If you are a new user, click on "New Users" to check your system

and download the software and go back to Join Net Conference page

6. Enter your name

7. Agree to the Terms & Conditions and click Proceed.

Current list of comments.issues (10/02/2003):

Document Object (ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/new_DOC/wd-ippdoc10-20030908.pdf)

Editorial Comments:

1) Cover Page Line 26:

The sentence about listing "all" of the attributes defined in other IPP specifications is probably not going to be accurate for very long.....if now..

2) Page 9, line 311:

The sentence should read.... "The semantics of the "document-state..."...(missing "the").

3) Page 9, line 317-320:

This paragraph needs to be reworded to state what the spec. is, not what it's proposed to be.

4) Page 13, line 403:

The Job operatations that MUST NOT have any ..... (remove the word "that" )

5) Page 14, line 413:

The semantic of Fidelity on a Job are intended..... (The "semantics" of Fidelity....)

6) Page 15, line 446,447,451

The sentence "For example, such Job Template attributes as "job-priority"...." sounds odd.. (should read "For example, Job Template attributes such as .....) Same comment for line 447 and 451 "Printer MUST NOT copy down any..." (should be "Printer MUST NOT copy any Job Level attributes ...")

7) Page 21, line 653:

..it is only an empty job which is.... (recommend: "it is an empty job that is scheduled and...)

8) Page 24, line 777:

..Document object was submitted...(should be: ...Document object is submitted...)

9) Page 24, line 781:

..The only differences are that the Set-Job-Attibutes operation is... (should be: ..The only difference is that the ...operation is...)

10) Page 26, line 831,832:

Formatting problem (unnecessary indentation....)

11) Page 26, line 833:

First sentence worded funny. (suggest: Most Document Description attributes (see...)are NOT settable, i.e., they are defined to be READ-ONLY.)

12) Page 45, line 1258:

First character space on that line is inadvertently highlighted...

13) Page 48, line 1305, 1309; Page 51, line 1389;

Remove the names of the attribute at the beginning of the description.  It's both unnecessary and inconsistent with the other attribute descriptions.

(There are other descriptive paragraphs with the same problem..Page 58,59

14) Page 57, line 1571:

First printed character (') is highlighted for no reason.

15) Page 65,66,67

Remove highlighted areas...

lines 1776-1778, 1785-1787, 1795-1797, 1830, 1844-1846, 1847-1849. Page 66, line1828 (PrintBasic: 1.0) is in red....

15) Page 75, line 2221,2224

Broken reference links.....

Issues:

16) Page 14, line 430-431:

After a strong conformance statement on the client, the printer is required to accept a non-conformant client operation..... (should be an error if the client supplies this attribute in a Doc Creation operation.. and the Printer should be allowed to flag it..)

17) Page 26, line 837-839:

The note that provides guidance for future extensions doesn't belong in a specification, it belongs in the requirements doc of the future extension.....it'll get lost in this spec.... (suggest removing the note)

18) Page 28 Cancel-Document operation (and line 922)

Question/Comment: What happens to the document DATA when a document is cancelled (assuming it's already been sent to the Printer)?

Line 922 should read ....which only cancels the processing of the document, and doesn't delete the document object itself.....

But it still says nothing about the document DATA. If the DATA is kept after a Cancel Document then there may be a security issue for the overly security conscious since this is the only way a client can request a document NOT be processed (then the data hangs around in the print spool for some unknown time). (Cancel Doc is mandatory for Printer, Delete Doc is optional)

If the Data is not kept, what is the mechanism for the reprocess job operation if the data is expected to be there?

JobX (ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/new_JOBX/wd-ippjobx10-20030908.pdf)

Editorial Comments:

19) Page 13, footnote 5

Operation is partially italicized....(shouldn't be)

20) Page 34, line 1051

Need a little more informative test explaining what these are in addition too.....

21) Page 37, line 1162

the word "PrintBasic:1.0" is in red....

22) See page 16 Lines 497 - 500 of the Sept. 8 Draft....

Action Item: (Tom and Ira): Propose a format for the file......

Did this get resolved and/or just missed in the final edits?

Overrides (ftp://www.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/new_EXC/wd-ippOverride10-20030910.pdf)

No comments

Zehler, Peter | 3 Oct 16:41 2003
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PWG-ANNOUNCE> Semantic Model/IPP Extensions meeting (10/9 NYC)

All,

October 9 will be the close of Last Call on the JobX, Overrides and Document Object specification.  We will complete the discussions on any comments during the meeting.  The official vote will be held on these specifications to move them to Candidate Standard.

The remainder of the time will be spent discussing Semantic Model and Schema issues.  At this time there are a few items to discuss such as the namespace usage, versioning, definition of Media/MediaCol, SM registry and the process for updating the SM.

It is my understanding that we will have a phone line and net access.  I've included the phone bridge ande webex info below.  The agenda is rather loose and looks like:

8:30-9:00       intros

9:00-Noon       quick status,

      Document Object

              Comments/issues

              Vote

      Overrides

              Comments/issues

              Vote

      JobxX

              Comments/issues

              Vote

1:30-5:00       Semantic Model and Schema discussion

Note that if we finish with the morning schedule early we will proceed with the SM discussion.

Pete

          Peter Zehler

          XEROX

          Xerox Innovation Group

          Email: PZehler <at> crt.xerox.com

          Voice:    (585) 265-8755

          FAX:      (585) 422-7961

          US Mail: Peter Zehler

                    Xerox Corp.

                    800 Phillips Rd.

                    M/S 128-25E

                    Webster NY, 14580-9701

Meeting Date: 10/09/2003

Meeting Time: 9:30 AM Eastern (06:30 AM Pacific)

Instant Meeting Details:

---------------------------

USA Toll Free Number: 877-707-6056

VNET Number(Xerox): 8*594-0077

Participant Passcode: 437874

Meeting Date: 10/09/2003

Meeting Time: 9:30 AM Eastern (06:30 AM Pacific)

Instant Net Conference Details:

-------------------------------

Meeting Number:          747275324

Meeting Passcode:        PwgSm

Meeting Host:            Pete Zehler

Join Instructions for Instant Net Conference:


REPEAT USERS

1. Join the meeting now:

http://www.mymeetings.com/nc/join.php?i=747275324&p=PwgSm&t=c

2. Enter your name

3. Agree to the Terms & Conditions and click Proceed.

NEW USERS

1. Go to http://www.mymeetings.com/nc/

2. Type in the Meeting Number

3. Type in the Meeting Passcode (if one was provided)

4. Choose "Conference" and click Proceed

5. If you are a new user, click on "New Users" to check your system

and download the software and go back to Join Net Conference page

6. Enter your name

7. Agree to the Terms & Conditions and click Proceed.


Wagner,William | 5 Oct 02:06 2003

PWG-ANNOUNCE> Monday 6 Oct - WBMM meetings

Greetings:

The PWG face to face meetings provide an opportunity for PWG members to get up to date on projects beyond
those that they  may be concentrating on. With the addition of the phone conferencing facilities, even
non-present  members can participate.

With this in mind, we will take some time at the Monday Web Based Monitoring and Management meeting to review
where we are and how we got there before plunging into the details of Ira's schemas.  

The proposed agenda is:
n8:00 –> Coffee Etc. 
n9:30 – 10:00 Startup, Introductions, Business 
n10:00 – 11:00 Intent of WBMM vs: CIM, WSMF,  etc. 
n11:00 – 12:00 WBMM Operations and Transport 
n12:00 – 1:30 Lunch 
n1:30 – 2:00 Ira’s Schedule Schema 
n2:00 –>3:00 Discussion and comments on Schedule 
n3:00 – 3:15 Break 
n3:15 – 4:15 Discussion of Printer Manage Schema 
n4:15 – 4:30 Next Steps 
Call-in information is:

Dial In: 1-866-365-4406 
Toll #: 1-303-248-9655 
Participant Passcode: 2635888# 

We understand that remote participants may need to connect and disconnect. We ask that anyone connecting
identify themselves at the earliest opportunity. If there appears to be no activity, please try again
later. This is the first day of the October PWG meetings and there may be some technical details to work out.

I will have posted the background presentations at ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wbmm/presentations/.
(By Sunday eve.) The schemas and RFC from which they are derived are posted at ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wbmm/schemas/.

Hope to have you participate!

Bill Wagner/NetSilicon, a Digi International Company
Chairman  WBMM Working Group

	 

Mohammed Nadeem Amin | 5 Oct 05:20 2003

RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Raising NYC meeting fee

 

 

Mohammed Nadeem Amin

nadeem <at> comcast.net

(609) 716-7175

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pwg-announce <at> pwg.org [mailto:owner-pwg-announce <at> pwg.org] On Behalf Of Harry Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:15 PM
To: pwg-announce <at> pwg.org
Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Raising NYC meeting fee

 


NYC is an expensive town. Our (daily) fees were already higher than average. Now, due to some unexpected additional costs and a lower than predicted turnout (based on registration) we are having to raise our daily meeting fee from $80 to $100 per day. This increase will be reflected on your receipt.

My apologies for the last minute increase. Even with this, the PWG is absorbing a sizable loss on the October 2003 meeting. I think we should keep these costs in mind when picking location for our 2004 agenda. On the up side, Ami was able to get us a very good room rate for NYC so we do have some savings, there.
----------------------------------------------
Harry Lewis
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
----------------------------------------------

McDonald, Ira | 6 Oct 17:24 2003

PWG-ANNOUNCE> RE: WBMM> Telecon Started! - Monday 6 Oct - WBMM meetings

Hi folks,

Harry Lewis just called me from the PWG meeting in NYC and said
they're starting up the telecon.  Please dial in to the numbers
Bill sent out below (repeated here):

Dial In: 1-866-365-4406 
Toll #: 1-303-248-9655 
Participant Passcode: 2635888# 

Cheers,
- Ira McDonald
  High North Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: Wagner,William [mailto:WWagner <at> NetSilicon.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:07 PM
To: pwg-announce <at> pwg.org
Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Monday 6 Oct - WBMM meetings

Greetings:

The PWG face to face meetings provide an opportunity for PWG members to get
up to date on projects beyond those that they  may be concentrating on. With
the addition of the phone conferencing facilities, even non-present  members
can participate.

With this in mind, we will take some time at the Monday Web Based Monitoring
and Management meeting to review where we are and how we got there before
plunging into the details of Ira's schemas.  

The proposed agenda is:
n8:00 –> Coffee Etc. 
n9:30 – 10:00 Startup, Introductions, Business 
n10:00 – 11:00 Intent of WBMM vs: CIM, WSMF,  etc. 
n11:00 – 12:00 WBMM Operations and Transport 
n12:00 – 1:30 Lunch 
n1:30 – 2:00 Ira’s Schedule Schema 
n2:00 –>3:00 Discussion and comments on Schedule 
n3:00 – 3:15 Break 
n3:15 – 4:15 Discussion of Printer Manage Schema 
n4:15 – 4:30 Next Steps 
Call-in information is:

Dial In: 1-866-365-4406 
Toll #: 1-303-248-9655 
Participant Passcode: 2635888# 

We understand that remote participants may need to connect and disconnect.
We ask that anyone connecting identify themselves at the earliest
opportunity. If there appears to be no activity, please try again later.
This is the first day of the October PWG meetings and there may be some
technical details to work out.

I will have posted the background presentations at
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wbmm/presentations/. (By Sunday eve.) The schemas
and RFC from which they are derived are posted at
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wbmm/schemas/.

Hope to have you participate!

Bill Wagner/NetSilicon, a Digi International Company
Chairman  WBMM Working Group

	 

McDonald, Ira | 6 Oct 19:39 2003

RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Broken WBMM Telecon - Monday 6 Oct - WBMM meet ings

Hi Bill and Harry,

[hope someone has Ethernet or wireless access to their email]

When we disconnected for lunch, we apparently broke (ended) the
telecon reservation.  The passcode below no longer works.

I'll dial-in to my email occasionally and watch for voice mail
on my business line (or call me at home at 906-494-2697).

Cheers,
- Ira 
  906-494-2434 (business line w/ voice mail)

-----Original Message-----
From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald <at> sharplabs.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:25 AM
To: 'Wagner,William'; 'pwg-announce <at> pwg.org'
Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> RE: WBMM> Telecon Started! - Monday 6 Oct - WBMM
meetings

Hi folks,

Harry Lewis just called me from the PWG meeting in NYC and said
they're starting up the telecon.  Please dial in to the numbers
Bill sent out below (repeated here):

Dial In: 1-866-365-4406 
Toll #: 1-303-248-9655 
Participant Passcode: 2635888# 

Cheers,
- Ira McDonald
  High North Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: Wagner,William [mailto:WWagner <at> NetSilicon.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:07 PM
To: pwg-announce <at> pwg.org
Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Monday 6 Oct - WBMM meetings

Greetings:

The PWG face to face meetings provide an opportunity for PWG members to get
up to date on projects beyond those that they  may be concentrating on. With
the addition of the phone conferencing facilities, even non-present  members
can participate.

With this in mind, we will take some time at the Monday Web Based Monitoring
and Management meeting to review where we are and how we got there before
plunging into the details of Ira's schemas.  

The proposed agenda is:
n8:00 –> Coffee Etc. 
n9:30 – 10:00 Startup, Introductions, Business 
n10:00 – 11:00 Intent of WBMM vs: CIM, WSMF,  etc. 
n11:00 – 12:00 WBMM Operations and Transport 
n12:00 – 1:30 Lunch 
n1:30 – 2:00 Ira’s Schedule Schema 
n2:00 –>3:00 Discussion and comments on Schedule 
n3:00 – 3:15 Break 
n3:15 – 4:15 Discussion of Printer Manage Schema 
n4:15 – 4:30 Next Steps 
Call-in information is:

Dial In: 1-866-365-4406 
Toll #: 1-303-248-9655 
Participant Passcode: 2635888# 

We understand that remote participants may need to connect and disconnect.
We ask that anyone connecting identify themselves at the earliest
opportunity. If there appears to be no activity, please try again later.
This is the first day of the October PWG meetings and there may be some
technical details to work out.

I will have posted the background presentations at
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wbmm/presentations/. (By Sunday eve.) The schemas
and RFC from which they are derived are posted at
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wbmm/schemas/.

Hope to have you participate!

Bill Wagner/NetSilicon, a Digi International Company
Chairman  WBMM Working Group

	 

McDonald, Ira | 8 Oct 18:11 2003

RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Thur 9 Oct - SM / IPP Telecon - NO WEBEX

Hi,
 
Pete Zehler asked me to send a note that we WILL have an all-day SM/IPP telecon
tomorrow (Thursday 9 October), but we will NOT have a WebEx in parallel.  High
speec Internet access is apparently amazingly pricy in NYC hotels ($1500/day
for our conference room!), so we'll stick to a voice teleconference.
 
PLEASE join us on the telecon tomorrow.  There's a fine new Polycom conference
phone that the PWG purchased.  The sound quality is much improved.
 
Cheers,
- Ira McDonald
  High North Inc
-----Original Message-----
From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:PZehler <at> crt.xerox.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:41 AM
To: PWG Announce (pwg-announce <at> pwg.org)
Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Thur 10/9 - Semantic Model/IPP Extensions meeting (10/9 NYC)

All,

October 9 will be the close of Last Call on the JobX, Overrides and Document Object specification.  We will complete the discussions on any comments during the meeting.  The official vote will be held on these specifications to move them to Candidate Standard.

The remainder of the time will be spent discussing Semantic Model and Schema issues.  At this time there are a few items to discuss such as the namespace usage, versioning, definition of Media/MediaCol, SM registry and the process for updating the SM.

It is my understanding that we will have a phone line and net access.  I've included the phone bridge ande webex info below.  The agenda is rather loose and looks like:

8:30-9:00       intros

9:00-Noon       quick status,

      Document Object

              Comments/issues

              Vote

      Overrides

              Comments/issues

              Vote

      JobxX

              Comments/issues

              Vote

1:30-5:00       Semantic Model and Schema discussion

Note that if we finish with the morning schedule early we will proceed with the SM discussion.

Pete

          Peter Zehler

          XEROX

          Xerox Innovation Group

          Email: PZehler <at> crt.xerox.com

          Voice:    (585) 265-8755

          FAX:      (585) 422-7961

          US Mail: Peter Zehler

                    Xerox Corp.

                    800 Phillips Rd.

                    M/S 128-25E

                    Webster NY, 14580-9701

Meeting Date: 10/09/2003

Meeting Time: 9:30 AM Eastern (06:30 AM Pacific)

Instant Meeting Details:

---------------------------

USA Toll Free Number: 877-707-6056

VNET Number(Xerox): 8*594-0077

Participant Passcode: 437874

Meeting Date: 10/09/2003

Meeting Time: 9:30 AM Eastern (06:30 AM Pacific)

Instant Net Conference Details:

-------------------------------

Meeting Number:          747275324

Meeting Passcode:        PwgSm

Meeting Host:            Pete Zehler

Join Instructions for Instant Net Conference:


REPEAT USERS

1. Join the meeting now:

http://www.mymeetings.com/nc/join.php?i=747275324&p=PwgSm&t=c

2. Enter your name

3. Agree to the Terms & Conditions and click Proceed.

NEW USERS

1. Go to http://www.mymeetings.com/nc/

2. Type in the Meeting Number

3. Type in the Meeting Passcode (if one was provided)

4. Choose "Conference" and click Proceed

5. If you are a new user, click on "New Users" to check your system

and download the software and go back to Join Net Conference page

6. Enter your name

7. Agree to the Terms & Conditions and click Proceed.


McDonald, Ira | 8 Oct 20:52 2003

PWG-ANNOUNCE> FW: PWG> Process Update

For those who may have missed this before.  The Portland changes have been
made in this version from 12 August.
 
Cheers,
- Ira McDonald
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl <at> us.ibm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:23 PM
To: pwg <at> pwg.org
Subject: PWG> Process Update


I've posted the latest process update. Includes changes from Portland and a recent request to clarify that the PWG Sec is responsible (working with the ISTO) for maintaining a PWG member roster.
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/process/pwg-process20-20030812-rev.pdf
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/process/pwg-process20-20030812-rev.doc
----------------------------------------------
Harry Lewis
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
----------------------------------------------

Gmane