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Rob Siemborski | 6 Nov 2002 22:07
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ANNOTATEMORE question


I took a quick look at -01, and I have two brief comments:

In section 8.1:

        C: a GETANNOTATION "/server/%" "value"
        S: * ANNOTATION "/server/comment" ("value.priv" "My comment")
                                          ("value.shared" "Your comment")
                        "/server/motd" ("value.priv" "Its sunny outside!"
                                       ("value.shared" "Today is a Holiday")
        S: a OK GETANNOTATION complete

According to the grammar, shouldn't this be:

        S: * ANNOTATION "/server/comment" ("value.priv" "My comment"
                                           "value.shared" "Your comment")
                        "/server/motd" ("value.priv" "Its sunny outside!"
                                     "value.shared" "Today is a Holiday")

I'm guessing this example was just missed because of the grammar change.

Also, in section 6.1:

This entry could include named
attributes such as "value", "modifiedsince", "acl" etc to represent
properties and data associated with the entry.

But then it doesn't go on to discuss the semantics of "acl" at all (though
I seem to remember from one of our previous discussions that we didn't
really want all the complexity of a full "acl" system).  I think that
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Pete Resnick | 10 Nov 2002 04:07

Agenda


It's time to make up the agenda for next week, folks. So far, here's 
what I've got:

- Annotate
- ACL
- How to end the WG

Please let me know what else there is to discuss. The WG has clearly 
(to my eyes) run out of steam and we need to get whatever we want to 
finish done quickly.

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Ken Murchison | 10 Nov 2002 04:58

Re: Agenda


Pete Resnick wrote:
> 
> It's time to make up the agenda for next week, folks. So far, here's
> what I've got:
> 
> - Annotate
> - ACL
> - How to end the WG
> 
> Please let me know what else there is to discuss. The WG has clearly
> (to my eyes) run out of steam and we need to get whatever we want to
> finish done quickly.

Has LISTEXT fizzled out?

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Pete Resnick | 13 Nov 2002 19:46

Re: Agenda


On 11/9/02 at 10:58 PM -0500, Ken Murchison wrote:

>>It's time to make up the agenda for next week, folks. So far, 
>>here's what I've got:
>>
>>- Annotate
>>- ACL
>>- How to end the WG
>>
>>Please let me know what else there is to discuss. The WG has 
>>clearly (to my eyes) run out of steam and we need to get whatever 
>>we want to finish done quickly.
>
>Has LISTEXT fizzled out?

The silence around here is deafening. Who is coming to Atlanta? Do we 
need to cancel this meeting? Does anyone have any comment?

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Mark Crispin | 13 Nov 2002 19:59

Re: Agenda


On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:46:46 -0600, Pete Resnick wrote:
> The silence around here is deafening. Who is coming to Atlanta? Do we
> need to cancel this meeting? Does anyone have any comment?

I am coming to Atlanta since I was informed there was urgent IMAPEXT business
to be conducted.

If that is not the case, and the IMAPEXT meeting is to be cancelled, I would
appreciate being told so that I can cancel the trip and hopefully get back
some of the Washington state taxpayer's money from the already-purchased plane
ticket (the conference fee being already lost).
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Pete Resnick | 13 Nov 2002 20:09

Re: Agenda


On 11/13/02 at 10:59 AM -0800, Mark Crispin wrote:

>I am coming to Atlanta since I was informed there was urgent IMAPEXT 
>business to be conducted.

I know that Randy Gellens is going. I was also told that Barry and 
Alexey would be going. I am curious who told you that there was 
"urgent" business, because I expect that at least that person would 
have some feedback on the proposed agenda. So far, I have gotten no 
feedback on the agenda except for the question from Ken. Do *you* 
have any feedback on the proposed agenda?

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Mark Crispin | 13 Nov 2002 20:11

Re: Agenda


On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:09:23 -0600, Pete Resnick wrote:
> I am curious who told you that there was
> "urgent" business

Alexey, among others.

> So far, I have gotten no
> feedback on the agenda except for the question from Ken. Do *you*
> have any feedback on the proposed agenda?

Past experience has caused me to hesitate to say much.  But if you insist:

A look at the current IDs shows: QUOTA, ACL, ANNOTATE, CONDSTORE, DISC,
KEYWORDS, MDN, UNSELECT, BINARY, CHANNEL, STATUS-COUNTERS, SORT, and THREAD.
Why aren't all of these on the agenda?

I, too, am disappointed to see nothing about LIST extensions, and feel that it
should be on the agenda.

I don't think IMAPEXT is anywhere near completion.  I am as weary of IMAPEXT
as anyone else (remember, I opposed its creation in the first place).  But it
needs to accomplish something before it is done.

As far as I can tell, the only RFC is ID, and I forget if that's IMAPEXT or
independent.  MULTIAPPEND got reviewed by IMAPEXT, and is in the RFC editor
queue, but it too was independent.

Most notably, IMAPEXT activity is still pending on four commonly-implemented
extensions: ACL, QUOTA, SORT, and THREAD.
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Rob Siemborski | 13 Nov 2002 20:40
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Re: Agenda


On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Pete Resnick wrote:

> The silence around here is deafening. Who is coming to Atlanta? Do we
> need to cancel this meeting? Does anyone have any comment?

Both Larry and myself (and Walter) are planning on attending.

-Rob

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Arnt Gulbrandsen | 13 Nov 2002 20:37
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Re: Agenda


Pete Resnick writes:
> The silence around here is deafening. Who is coming to Atlanta? Do we 
> need to cancel this meeting? Does anyone have any comment?

I'm not a WG member, I suppose, but I'll offer a comment: I don't see 
the WG's extensions being implemented, which would be a sure sign of 
death. Am I looking in the wrong places? Who implements Annotate, for 
example?

--Arnt (who'd love to see Annotate in a server)
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