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YAO Jiankang | 1 Apr 2010 05:31
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Re: ideas for new work


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Newman" <chris.newman <at> oracle.com>
To: <ima <at> ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:55 PM
Subject: [EAI] ideas for new work

> --On March 29, 2010 12:16:47 -0400 Joseph Yee <jyee <at> ca.afilias.info> wrote:
>> Re-charter discussion
>> - new SMTP-extension name needed
> 
> RFC 5336 Specification changes:
> * new extension name

how about
"Standardized Email Address  Internationalization" ?
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YAO Jiankang | 1 Apr 2010 05:49
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Re: ideas for new work


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Newman" <chris.newman <at> oracle.com>
To: <ima <at> ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:55 PM
Subject: [EAI] ideas for new work

>> - Chris Newman recommended a submission protocol extension, can be 
> experimental
> 
> The submission-only extension would be layered on top of the new SMTP 
> extension and seems like it should be experimental (since it is tricky).  

what is the aim or reason to have this experimental submission protocol?

after experimental, we move it to standarad track?

>> - Re-charter wording and deliverables reviewed 
> 
> We'll need to revise the downgrade spec.  The new one never attempts to 
> preserve UTF-8 addresses in a separate header (except maybe received), 
> doesn't have to deal with <utf8 <at> utf8 <alt <at> alt>> syntax, and for the 
> POP/IMAP case where the alt-addresses are unavailable, we simply choose 
> some corruption of the address. 

based on my understanding to the last ietf conlcusion, we propose no downgrade solution, so the downgrade
document will be dropped rather than being revised.

We revise the downgrade spec for the usage of POP/IMAP case or other cases?
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Alexey Melnikov | 1 Apr 2010 07:32
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Re: ideas for new work

YAO Jiankang wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Chris Newman" <chris.newman <at> oracle.com>
>To: <ima <at> ietf.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:55 PM
>Subject: [EAI] ideas for new work
>  
>
>>--On March 29, 2010 12:16:47 -0400 Joseph Yee <jyee <at> ca.afilias.info> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Re-charter discussion
>>>- new SMTP-extension name needed
>>>      
>>>
>>RFC 5336 Specification changes:
>>* new extension name
>>    
>>
>how about
>"Standardized Email Address  Internationalization" ?
>  
>
I think Chris was talking about the capability string returned in EHLO.
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YAO Jiankang | 1 Apr 2010 08:02
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Re: ideas for new work


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alexey Melnikov" <alexey.melnikov <at> isode.com>
To: "YAO Jiankang" <yaojk <at> cnnic.cn>
Cc: "Chris Newman" <chris.newman <at> oracle.com>; <ima <at> ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [EAI] ideas for new work

> YAO Jiankang wrote:
> 
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Chris Newman" <chris.newman <at> oracle.com>
>>To: <ima <at> ietf.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:55 PM
>>Subject: [EAI] ideas for new work
>>  
>>
>>>--On March 29, 2010 12:16:47 -0400 Joseph Yee <jyee <at> ca.afilias.info> wrote:
>>>    
>>>
>>>>Re-charter discussion
>>>>- new SMTP-extension name needed
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>RFC 5336 Specification changes:
>>>* new extension name
>>>    
>>>
>>how about
>>"Standardized Email Address  Internationalization" ?
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fujiwara | 1 Apr 2010 08:42
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idea of "Bounce and resend" model

Hi, All,

The WG meeting decided removing "<UTF8 <ASCII>>" format and ALT-ADDRESS.
And downgrade (RFC 5504) is used for POP/IMAP delivery only.

I don't like new extension between MUA and Submission server.

This is my idea that use RFC 5335 and RFC 5336 without ASCII alternate
address. I propose MUA and sender user have new following functions.

 - MUA can select two modes:

      The EAI mode:
		The sender can use non-ASCII From: address and non-ASCII
		To, CC address.
		The MUA can generate EAI messages.
                   (non-ASCII in headers, MIME headers)

      The compatibility mode:
      	  	The sender can not use non-ASCII From, To, CC.
		The MUA generates RFC 5322 message using MIME encoding.

 - Sender user MUST know the modes.
#          - Or,    the MUA does not use EAI extensions
#                   if all recipients' address are ASCII.

Precondition:

  P.0: exclude mailing-list case
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Charles Lindsey | 1 Apr 2010 12:02
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Re: ideas for new work

On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:49:42 +0100, YAO Jiankang <yaojk <at> cnnic.cn> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Newman" <chris.newman <at> oracle.com>
> To: <ima <at> ietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:55 PM
> Subject: [EAI] ideas for new work

>> We'll need to revise the downgrade spec.  The new one never attempts to
>> preserve UTF-8 addresses in a separate header (except maybe received),
>> doesn't have to deal with <utf8 <at> utf8 <alt <at> alt>> syntax, and for the
>> POP/IMAP case where the alt-addresses are unavailable, we simply choose
>> some corruption of the address.
>
> based on my understanding to the last ietf conlcusion, we propose no  
> downgrade solution, so the downgrade document will be dropped rather  
> than being revised.

I don't think the downgrade should be dropped. But with the disappearance  
of the alt address sites will have less encouragement to downgrade. But  
the downgrade document should be revised so it can be used by sites which  
so choose (as I believe many will until such time as the whole world is  
using EAI). But it might well remain as Experimental. But our charter  
should allow us to continue to work on it.

--

-- 
Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------
Tel: +44 161 436 6131                       
   Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl
Email: chl <at> clerew.man.ac.uk      Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K.
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YAO Jiankang | 2 Apr 2010 08:04
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Re: ideas for new work


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Lindsey" <chl <at> clerew.man.ac.uk>
To: "IMA" <ima <at> ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [EAI] ideas for new work

On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:49:42 +0100, YAO Jiankang <yaojk <at> cnnic.cn> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Newman" <chris.newman <at> oracle.com>
> To: <ima <at> ietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:55 PM
> Subject: [EAI] ideas for new work

>I don't think the downgrade should be dropped. But with the disappearance  
>of the alt address sites will have less encouragement to downgrade. But  
>the downgrade document should be revised so it can be used by sites which  
>so choose (as I believe many will until such time as the whole world is  
>using EAI). But it might well remain as Experimental. But our charter  
>should allow us to continue to work on it.

I think that this version of charter will focus on the standard track documents.

Discoverable fallback addresses may be investigated independently  
of the core documents.

--

-- 
Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------
Tel: +44 161 436 6131
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Charles Lindsey | 2 Apr 2010 11:43
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Re: ideas for new work

On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:04:47 +0100, YAO Jiankang <yaojk <at> cnnic.cn> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Lindsey" <chl <at> clerew.man.ac.uk>
> To: "IMA" <ima <at> ietf.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [EAI] ideas for new work
>
>
> On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:49:42 +0100, YAO Jiankang <yaojk <at> cnnic.cn> wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Newman" <chris.newman <at> oracle.com>
>> To: <ima <at> ietf.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:55 PM
>> Subject: [EAI] ideas for new work
>
>
>> I don't think the downgrade should be dropped. But with the  
>> disappearance
>> of the alt address sites will have less encouragement to downgrade. But
>> the downgrade document should be revised so it can be used by sites  
>> which
>> so choose (as I believe many will until such time as the whole world is
>> using EAI). But it might well remain as Experimental. But our charter
>> should allow us to continue to work on it.
>
> I think that this version of charter will focus on the standard track  
> documents.
>
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Alexey Melnikov | 5 Apr 2010 23:40
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Re: ideas for new work

YAO Jiankang wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Alexey Melnikov" <alexey.melnikov <at> isode.com>
>To: "YAO Jiankang" <yaojk <at> cnnic.cn>
>Cc: "Chris Newman" <chris.newman <at> oracle.com>; <ima <at> ietf.org>
>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:32 PM
>Subject: Re: [EAI] ideas for new work
>
>  
>
>>YAO Jiankang wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Chris Newman" <chris.newman <at> oracle.com>
>>>To: <ima <at> ietf.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:55 PM
>>>Subject: [EAI] ideas for new work
>>>      
>>>
>>>>--On March 29, 2010 12:16:47 -0400 Joseph Yee <jyee <at> ca.afilias.info> wrote:
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Re-charter discussion
>>>>>- new SMTP-extension name needed
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>RFC 5336 Specification changes:
>>>>* new extension name
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Shawn Steele | 8 Apr 2010 23:13
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Re: new utf8smtp

I don't really care, but I don't see much reason to change the name.  If we did I'd hope the name didn't
permenently keep the expt around.  Eg:  I don't like UTF8SMTP-V2 or -std, etc.

What about just UTF8?  It's clearly SMTP in context?

- shawn

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