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YAO Jiankang | 9 Nov 2009 11:00
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Fw: apply to be an item of EAI WG

Dear all,

     I got the approval from the co-chairs to send the following message to the list:

     Originally, I hope that this document can be discussed in the Hiroshima meeting.
Unfortunately, we have no meeting this time.
The downgrade issues are very important to us, which may impact our direction of re-charter.
This draft provides some analysis about downgrade testing, which will help us deploy the EAI
 system and the re-charter work of the working group in the near future.
John may step in as the co-author of this draft and do some updatings to this draft if he can find some time to do it.
I hope  this draft to be an WG item and refine it.

any comments about this application of this draft as the WG item?

thanks a lot.

Yao Jiankang
CNNIC

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>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> 
> Title           : EAI downgrading tests and analysis
> Author(s)       : J. Yao, et al.
> Filename        : draft-yao-eai-downgrade-tests-analysis-00.txt
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Barry Leiba | 9 Nov 2009 15:12
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Re: Fw: apply to be an item of EAI WG

> The downgrade issues are very important to us, which may impact our direction of re-charter.
> This draft provides some analysis about downgrade testing, which will help us deploy the EAI
> system and the re-charter work of the working group in the near future.
> John may step in as the co-author of this draft and do some updatings to this draft if he can
> find some time to do it.
> I hope  this draft to be an WG item and refine it.
>>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yao-eai-downgrade-tests-analysis-00.txt

I see this as a fine document, useful as a working draft as we proceed
with the rechartering and moving the protocols from experimental to
standards track.  But I don't see it as ever being published as an
RFC, even as Informational.  It doesn't seem to me that these
experiments and their results need to be preserved forever, but only
used (and revised and refined) as we're doing our work.

As such, I don't see the need to adopt it as a working-group document,
though I certainly have no objection to doing that if consensus is for
it.  I think it can remain an individual submission, and then be left
to expire when it's no longer needed.

Barry
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YAO Jiankang | 9 Nov 2009 15:35
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Re: Fw: apply to be an item of EAI WG


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barry Leiba" <barryleiba.mailing.lists <at> gmail.com>
To: "YAO Jiankang" <yaojk <at> cnnic.cn>
Cc: "EAI WG" <ima <at> ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [EAI] Fw: apply to be an item of EAI WG

The downgrade issues are very important to us, which may impact our direction of re-charter.
.> >  This draft provides some analysis about downgrade testing, which will help us deploy the EAI
> > system and the re-charter work of the working group in the near future.
> > John may step in as the co-author of this draft and do some updatings to this draft if he can
> > find some time to do it.
> > I hope this draft to be an WG item and refine it.
>>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yao-eai-downgrade-tests-analysis-00.txt

> I see this as a fine document, useful as a working draft as we proceed
> with the rechartering and moving the protocols from experimental to
> standards track.  

+1, thanks.

>But I don't see it as ever being published as an
> RFC, even as Informational.  It doesn't seem to me that these
> experiments and their results need to be preserved forever, but only
> used (and revised and refined) as we're doing our work.

the usefulness is that we can track why we move the standard track to this direction or that direction.
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Joseph Yee | 11 Nov 2009 21:34

Re: Fw: apply to be an item of EAI WG

All,

Would it be better if it moved to be part of the downgrade doc or  
framework doc?  These are great discussions and findings, but  
downgrade-doc and framework-doc are better place to explain the  
downgrade design approach, IMHO.

If we expand the doc with more thorough inter-op test results,  
experience of what we went thru on downgrade delivery, then I  
personally think we will have a great INFO RFC about EAI in general.

best
Joseph

On 9-Nov-09, at 5:00 AM, YAO Jiankang wrote:

> Dear all,
>
>
>     I got the approval from the co-chairs to send the following  
> message to the list:
>
>     Originally, I hope that this document can be discussed in the  
> Hiroshima meeting.
> Unfortunately, we have no meeting this time.
> The downgrade issues are very important to us, which may impact our  
> direction of re-charter.
> This draft provides some analysis about downgrade testing, which  
> will help us deploy the EAI
> system and the re-charter work of the working group in the near
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Shawn Steele | 12 Nov 2009 22:07
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BIDI & EAI

Has there been any discussion on BIDI rendering of EAI addresses?  Seems that there’re probably a few scenarios to think about.

 

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Xiaodong Lee | 13 Nov 2009 01:47
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Re: BIDI & EAI

hi,

BIDI and Variant problem should be solved in the future, now, we focus on the core protocol.

If you have suggestions on that, you might submit the individual draft to this list.

Regards,
Xiaodong

Shawn Steele wrote:

Has there been any discussion on BIDI rendering of EAI addresses?  Seems that there’re probably a few scenarios to think about.

 

- Shawn

 

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Shawn Steele | 13 Nov 2009 01:50
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Re: BIDI & EAI

That seems reasonable.  I’m just thinking there’s been some discussion of BIDI in the IDN and IRI lists, so maybe EAI should be considered as well in those talks J

 

-Shawn

 

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hi,

BIDI and Variant problem should be solved in the future, now, we focus on the core protocol.

If you have suggestions on that, you might submit the individual draft to this list.

Regards,
Xiaodong

Shawn Steele wrote:

Has there been any discussion on BIDI rendering of EAI addresses?  Seems that there’re probably a few scenarios to think about.

 

- Shawn

 

 

http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnste

 

 

 

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Martin J. Dürst | 13 Nov 2009 09:48
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Re: BIDI & EAI

Hello Shawn,

Please feel free to participate in the discussions in the IRI (and IDN) 
lists and bring in your bidi-specific concerns. Ideally, we should have 
a single story about how to display bidi identifiers, even if the story 
isn't very good because the problem is extremely hard.

Regards,   Martin.

On 2009/11/13 9:50, Shawn Steele wrote:
> That seems reasonable.  I’m just thinking there’s been some discussion of BIDI in the IDN and IRI
lists, so maybe EAI should be considered as well in those talks ☺
>
> -Shawn
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> hi,
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> BIDI and Variant problem should be solved in the future, now, we focus on the core protocol.
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> If you have suggestions on that, you might submit the individual draft to this list.
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> Regards,
> Xiaodong
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scenarios to think about.
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> - Shawn
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Martin J. Dürst | 13 Nov 2009 09:55
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Slides of IAB presentation on Protocol I18N at IETF Technical Plenary

[I'm using bcc because I'm sending this to various lists that I think 
should be interested.]

For those who didn't attended yesterday's IETF Technical Plenary (or 
like me, listened to it on the audio feed), here is a link to the slides 
from the IAB presentation on Protocol Internationalization and Character 
Encoding:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09nov/slides/plenaryt-1.pdf

Regards,   Martin.

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Alexey Melnikov | 20 Nov 2009 19:08
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EAI WG status and rechartering

Greetings,

Here is what I think remains to be done under the current WG charter:

1).
draft-ietf-eai-downgraded-display
draft-ietf-eai-imap-utf8

I am awaiting for updated versions of these documents before getting 
them approved.

2). The following document is the last deliverable needed before 
rechartering (I think):

draft-ietf-eai-mailinglist

Currently it is expired. Reissuing the document and sending it to WGLC 
(if ready), would be nice.

While I am waiting for the 3 documents, I think the WG can start 
discussion about whether the group should shut down or recharter. In 
case there is consensus to recharter, I would like to see if updated 
charter text can be agreed on.

If the WG has enough energy to recharter, I would also like to ask the 
WG to take mailto: URI scheme update (draft-duerst-mailto-bis) as an 
additional deliverable.

Note that I also would be looking for at least 1 new WG chair. If you 
want to volunteer yourself or somebody else, please send me an email 
message with details directly.

Best Regards,
Alexey, Apps AD.
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