Minutes from IETF 71 meeting

The minutes from Philadelphia are now uploaded to the meeting materials 
server:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/minutes/eai.txt

I wish to especially thank Andrew Sullivan for his great work in 
preparing these.

                  Harald

Decisions from IETF 71

All decisions at face-to-face meetings need to be confirmed on the 
mailing list.

Here's a list of things that I think are uncontroversial; anyone who 
thinks they need further discussion needs to speak up now!

- Downgrade draft: -07 version will have a 2-week WG Last Call, and then 
be sent to the
  IESG for processing.

  - Worry point: Whether this can be done independently of mailto and 
mailinglist

- POP/IMAP: One more round of revisions is expected, then we do WG Last 
Call.
  That is, we believe all the issues are on the table now, and editors 
know how to resolve them.

- Scenarios: Useful bits will be folded into a -framework-bis document, 
once that is created.
  Current document will not be carried forward.

- email-clients and downgraded-display: Will be added to the revised 
charter for the WG.

- New charter: Will be based on using the spring to finish up the 
current document set,
  starting an effort to make a standards-track document set in the fall 
of 2008, and have
  a standards-track proposal to the IESG by the end of 2008.

Re: Decisions from IETF 71

Harald Alvestrand wrote:

> - Scenarios: Useful bits will be folded into a -framework-bis
> document, once that is created.  Current document will not be
> carried forward.

The minutes and this article are the first time that I heard of
a proposal to create a revised framework.  Adding the scenarios
to this revision might be a good idea.

> I'll send another mail with "stuff that we still need to talk
> about".

Proposal:  mailto-bis, Mailto-bis, ..., MAILTO-BIS, and then the
same trick with mailto-eai.  The minutes mention an idea to use
a new scheme for mailto-eai.  I'm not spontaneuosly convinced 
that this is a good idea.  

 Frank

I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-eai-smtpext-12.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
directories.
This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: SMTP extension for internationalized email address
	Author(s)	: J. Yao, W. MAO
	Filename	: draft-ietf-eai-smtpext-12.txt
	Pages		: 24
	Date		: 2008-4-4
	
This document specifies an SMTP extension for transport and delivery
of email messages with internationalized email addresses or header
information.  Communication with systems that do not implement this
specification is specified in another document.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eai-smtpext-12.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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Internet-Draft.

_______________________________________________
IMA mailing list
IMA <at> ietf.org

SPF I18N

Hi, I've started an SPF I18N page also covering
EAI, please let me know what you think about it:
<http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/I18N>

 Frank

I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
directories.
This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Internationalized Email Headers
	Author(s)	: J. Yeh
	Filename	: draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt
	Pages		: 17
	Date		: 2008-4-14
	
Full internationalization of electronic mail requires not only the
   capability to transmit non-ASCII content, to encode selected
   information in specific header fields, and to use non-ASCII
   characters in envelope addresses.  It also requires being able to
   express those addresses and information based on them in mail header
   fields.  This document specifies an experimental variant of Internet
   mail that permits the use of Unicode encoded in UTF-8, rather than
   ASCII, as the base form for Internet email header field bodies.  This
   form is permitted in transmission only if authorized by an SMTP
   extension, as specified in an associated specification.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt

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ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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Re: EAI implementations and interoperability testing

Is this test working ?

I added 'Web mail client' to my implementation. It is also written
from scratch and written in perl-5.8.8.

# The client has minimal functions. It can handle UTF8 header fields,
# envelopes, downgraded messages, but it cannot handle multipart
# messages.

I can send EAI emails easily now.

If you are interested in my implementation, please contact me.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                         JPRS' implementation [2008/4/16]

Tools: (text editor+)                                         (IM+)
Impls:  Sender           Submission      SMTPreceiver         Downgrade
Docs:    [S+U]            [S+U+d]            [S+U]            [S+U+e]
Funcs:      UA============>MSA===============>MDA------------->UA
Proto:         submission        SMTP             file(Maildir)
                (SMTP)

# This chart is not good. I can't write multiple MUAs in one chart.

          Web Mail                                             Web Mail
Impls:    mail.cgi        Submission       SMTPreceiver        mail.cgi
Docs:     [S+U]            [S+U+d]            [S+U]            [S+U+e]
Funcs:      UA ===========>MSA===============>MDA------------->UA
Proto:         submission       SMTP              file(Maildir)

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt

> Filename : draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt

---
In 1.1, bullet 3, please strike "And, finally," 
(the final bullet 3 was removed swapping 2 & 3)

---
Please promote reference [I-D.ietf-eai-smtpext]
to "normative".

---
In chapter 3 (terminology) please adjust the
commas between [RFC2821] ,[RFC2822] , [RFC4592]

---
In chapter 4.1 <UTF8-4> is apparently wrong (?)

| UTF8-4          =   %xF0 %x90-BF 2(UTF8-tail) /
-                     %xF1-F7 3(UTF8-tail)

| UTF8-4          =   %xF0 %x90-BF 2(UTF8-tail) /
+                     %xF1-F3 3(UTF8-tail) /
+                     %xF4 %x80-8F 2(UTF8-tail)

(Makes no sense to get F0 right if F4 is wrong)

---
- For keeping informations, using UTF8 to normalize
- texts and recipient address is needed.  It's refered
- to [RFC5198].  And [RFC5198] has a discussion of

I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-11.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
directories.
This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Internationalized Email Headers
	Author(s)	: J. Yeh
	Filename	: draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-11.txt
	Pages		: 17
	Date		: 2008-4-22
	
Full internationalization of electronic mail requires not only the
   capability to transmit non-ASCII content, to encode selected
   information in specific header fields, and to use non-ASCII
   characters in envelope addresses.  It also requires being able to
   express those addresses and information based on them in mail header
   fields.  This document specifies an experimental variant of Internet
   mail that permits the use of Unicode encoded in UTF-8, rather than
   ASCII, as the base form for Internet email header field bodies.  This
   form is permitted in transmission only if authorized by an SMTP
   extension, as specified in an associated specification.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-11.txt

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ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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utf8headers-11 (was: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt)

>> Filename : draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-10.txt
[...]

13 of 13 nits fixed in draft 11, the RFC-editor
can remove the remaining [NOTE IN DRFAFT] in 4.3
as they see fit.  

Thanks, 

 Frank