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Erik Nordmark | 1 Aug 2002 02:04
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Comment on Nameprep <draft-ietf-idn-nameprep-10.txt>

Forwarded with permission.

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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:51:10 +0300
From: "Matitiahu Allouche" <matial <at> il.ibm.com>
Subject: Comment on Nameprep  <draft-ietf-idn-nameprep-10.txt>
To: iesg <at> ietf.org

Despite some discussion about restrictions that should be set on Bidi
characters in internationalized domain names, none of those have been
integrated in the document.  I therefore propose to add the following
section.

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5.2 Inappropriate combinations involving Right-to-Left characters

5.2.1 If a domain name label contains any Right-to-Left character (defined
as belonging to Unicode Bidirectional categories R and AL), it MUST NOT
contain any Left-to-Right character (defined as belonging to Unicode Bid
irectional category L).

5.2.2 If a domain name label contains any Right-to-Left character (as
defined above), a Right-to-Left character MUST be the first character of
the label, and a Right-to-Left character MUST be the last character of the
label.

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Paul Hoffman / IMC | 1 Aug 2002 20:18
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Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-hoffman-stringprep-05.txt

This draft contains a few changes that were prompted by the 
post-last-comments asking for clarity on the new BIDI section. It now 
goes to the IESG to consider.

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>	Title		: Preparation of Internationalized Strings
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>	Author(s)	: P. Hoffman, M. Blanchet
>	Filename	: draft-hoffman-stringprep-05.txt
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>This document describes a framework for preparing Unicode text strings
>in order to increase the likelihood that string input and string
>comparison work in ways that make sense for typical users throughout the
>world. The stringprep protocol is useful for protocol identifier values,
>company and personal names, internationalized domain names, and other
>text strings.
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Hollenbeck, Scott | 20 Aug 2002 17:25
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Document Status?

With the most recent updates to the IDNA, punycode, nameprep, and stringprep
documents do the document editors believe that the issues raised by Erik's
questions have all been resolved?  I'm wondering if the current document set
is thought to be ready for IESG review (and if Erik concurs), or if more
edits are planned.

-Scott-
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James Seng | 20 Aug 2002 17:36
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Re: Document Status?

You can find the status of these draft here:

http://www.iesg.org/IESG/status.html

They are currently waiting for write up.

-James Seng

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Subject: [idn] Document Status?

> With the most recent updates to the IDNA, punycode, nameprep, and
stringprep
> documents do the document editors believe that the issues raised by Erik's
> questions have all been resolved?  I'm wondering if the current document
set
> is thought to be ready for IESG review (and if Erik concurs), or if more
> edits are planned.
>
> -Scott-
>
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Hollenbeck, Scott | 20 Aug 2002 17:52
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RE: Document Status?

> You can find the status of these draft here:
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> http://www.iesg.org/IESG/status.html
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> They are currently waiting for write up.

Yes, I saw that before sending my note (stringprep is actually listed
differently), but it doesn't directly answer my question: did the May-August
edits address the issues needed to complete the write-up, or is more work
needed?  Based on the lack of recent discussion I'm assuming that the
documents are ready, but I'd like to confirm that suspicion.

-Scott-
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Erik Nordmark | 25 Aug 2002 09:36
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Re: Document Status?

> With the most recent updates to the IDNA, punycode, nameprep, and stringprep
> documents do the document editors believe that the issues raised by Erik's
> questions have all been resolved?  I'm wondering if the current document set
> is thought to be ready for IESG review (and if Erik concurs), or if more
> edits are planned.

The stringprep document has been discussed by the IESG resulting in a request
to make the document more explicit about various Unicode related security 
issues.

The second set of last-called documents (IDNA, punycode, and nameprep) still
have some IETF last call issues to resolve. The resultion will be in the form
of an added applicability section in the IDNA document. There is
still some word-smithing on that section, after which the documents will
be ready to be discussed by the IESG as a whole.

  Erik
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Phil Roberts | 27 Aug 2002 20:44

Nomcom call for volunteers

The members of the IESG and IAB and the IETF chair are selected
by a nominations committee made up of volunteers from the
IETF community.  The nominations committee is now in the process
of being formed and volunteers are being accepted until Sep 6.
Please see (http://www.ietf.org/nomcom/msg19765.html)
for information if you are interested in volunteering 
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James Seng | 30 Aug 2002 17:34
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Fw: I-D ACTION:draft-faerber-i18n-email-netnews-names-00.txt

fyi

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> Title : Internationalisation of Email Addresses,Newsgroup
>                           Names and similar Identifiers
> Author(s) : C. Faerber
> Filename : draft-faerber-i18n-email-netnews-names-00.txt
> Pages : 6
> Date : 2002-8-29
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> This document describes a possible architecture for the
> implementation of internationalised email addresses, newsgroup names,
> and similar identifiers on top of the standards set by the
> Internationalised Domain Names [IDN] working group.
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> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
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Dave Crocker | 30 Aug 2002 18:40

Re: Document Status?

At 09:36 AM 8/25/2002 +0200, Erik Nordmark wrote:
>The second set of last-called documents (IDNA, punycode, and nameprep) still
>have some IETF last call issues to resolve. The resultion will be in the form
>of an added applicability section in the IDNA document. There is
>still some word-smithing on that section, after which the documents will
>be ready to be discussed by the IESG as a whole.

Erik,

One last try... Having not yet seen any detailed response on the matters I 
put forward some time ago, I will raise them again.

Your note implies that the IESG does not agree that the current IDN 
specification suffers the following, basic deficiencies:

>1. IDNA makes a formal change to the DNS, by expanding the name space from 
>a subset of ASCII to a subset of Unicode. This change is not clearly 
>documented in the IDNA specification.

         We usually document such major changes to basic protocols rather 
more explicitly.

>2. The IDNA specification does not provide enough detail to permit its use 
>for the most common Domain names, which is those used in URLs and email 
>addresses.

         This means that someone registering an IDN domain name for use in 
email addresses and web addresses cannot know the exact set of valid IDN 
characters avalailable for use.
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Paul Hoffman / IMC | 30 Aug 2002 19:38
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Re: Document Status?

The sky is not falling, Dave. A new draft that we believe meets the 
IESG's request for clarifications has already been turned into the 
Internet Drafts repository but has not been announced by the IETF 
Secretariat yet.

--Paul Hoffman, Director
--Internet Mail Consortium
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