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Andrew Sullivan | 1 Aug 2009 01:59

Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (NominatingCommittee Process: Open Disclosure of Willing Nominees) to BCP

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 01:15:20PM -0400, Thomas Narten wrote:

> Can we please drop everything after the comma? (I'm not sure how to
> reword it, since I think the only point that needs to be made is that
> the nomcom as discretion not to publish names, for whatever reason.)

The usual way to say that in English is "at its discretion".  Which
also carries the right connotation, I think.

A

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James M. Polk | 1 Aug 2009 06:40
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Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust

This is a cool design, I agree.

With that said, I think a discussion needs to occur on the 
devaluation of the importance of what the shirt means - were it to be 
distributed to any/many folks that did not attend an IETF.

There have been several other cool designs from IETFs past, most 
notably is the one that the IETF refused to have a shirt for (i.e., 
IETF47 in Adelaide). I think that's still (for those who attended) 
the most popular IETF shirt. I'll give Juniper credit (dare 
I?  ;-)  that this is a very popular design.

So, this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" vs. the 
purity that those that have an IETF shirt actually went to that 
particular IETF meeting.

I realize this "purity" isn't really purity, given that I'm a rather 
large man, and sometimes they don't have my size, so I get a size 
that fits my wife or daughter.  But the idea that there is one per 
paid attendee remains.

I fear that advertising ("Joe's Bar/Grill & ISP") will become the 
next step to gain revenue goals if we go down this path, but I might 
be being too pessimistic...

James

BTW - I hate for this whole idea to devolve into this scenario -- the 
event sponsor will sell the design of the shirt to the IETF, who 
might believe they can earn more that it cost (sponsor fee plus COGS) in sales.
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Fred Baker | 1 Aug 2009 08:08
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Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust


On Jul 31, 2009, at 12:49 AM, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote:

> Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San  
> Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the  
> IETF Trust.

Speaking as a Trustee, the Trust thanks Juniper for the donation.
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Fred Baker | 1 Aug 2009 08:09
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Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust


On Jul 31, 2009, at 1:23 AM, Simon Josefsson wrote:

> I suggest the Trust considers T-shirt designs as code components so  
> that
> the BSD license applies to it.  :-)

Do we have to write the license on the shirt, or can we use a URL?

:-)
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Fred Baker | 1 Aug 2009 08:12
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Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust


On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:40 PM, James M. Polk wrote:

> this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?"

That is something the Trust would have to think about. What we had  
been considering was literally licensing a t-shirt company to print  
the designs and enabling IETFers to order them. The monetary value to  
the IETF - the revenue stream - is very much TBD, and I wouldn't  
automatically assume it was large.
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Marc Manthey | 1 Aug 2009 11:30
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Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust


Am 01.08.2009 um 06:40 schrieb James M. Polk:

This is a cool design, I agree.

hello,

i cant see any shirt or a link to a shirt in the text , but where can i get one ?

regards

Marc

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Donald Eastlake | 1 Aug 2009 22:46
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Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust

Just be sure they are labeled "Reprint".

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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:40 AM, James M. Polk<jmpolk <at> cisco.com> wrote:
> This is a cool design, I agree.
>
> With that said, I think a discussion needs to occur on the devaluation of
> the importance of what the shirt means - were it to be distributed to
> any/many folks that did not attend an IETF.
>
> There have been several other cool designs from IETFs past, most notably is
> the one that the IETF refused to have a shirt for (i.e., IETF47 in
> Adelaide). I think that's still (for those who attended) the most popular
> IETF shirt. I'll give Juniper credit (dare I?  ;-)  that this is a very
> popular design.
>
> So, this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" vs. the purity
> that those that have an IETF shirt actually went to that particular IETF
> meeting.
>
> I realize this "purity" isn't really purity, given that I'm a rather large
> man, and sometimes they don't have my size, so I get a size that fits my
> wife or daughter.  But the idea that there is one per paid attendee remains.
>
> I fear that advertising ("Joe's Bar/Grill & ISP") will become the next step
> to gain revenue goals if we go down this path, but I might be being too
> pessimistic...
>
> James
>
> BTW - I hate for this whole idea to devolve into this scenario -- the event
> sponsor will sell the design of the shirt to the IETF, who might believe
> they can earn more that it cost (sponsor fee plus COGS) in sales.
>
> At 02:49 AM 7/31/2009, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote:
>>
>> I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like to
>> clarify here for all.
>>
>> Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San Francisco
>> T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the IETF Trust. This
>> was done because a) many people wanted to buy more of these shirts, b) the
>> IETF expressed an interest in fulfilling those requests.
>>
>> We hope this art can be leveraged to spread the message about IPv6
>> transition broadly across the Internet community, in a fun and cool way .
>> The ball is now in Ray (and team's) court.
>>
>> Hope it helps, and enjoy,
>> the Juniper host team from IETF74
>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++
>> IETF-related email from
>> Gregory M. Lebovitz
>> Juniper Networks
>> g r e go r  y d o t  i e tf a t  g m a i l  do t c o  m
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ietf mailing list
>> Ietf <at> ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
>
> _______________________________________________
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Marshall Eubanks | 2 Aug 2009 03:02
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Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust


On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:40 AM, James M. Polk wrote:

> This is a cool design, I agree.
>
> With that said, I think a discussion needs to occur on the  
> devaluation of the importance of what the shirt means - were it to  
> be distributed to any/many folks that did not attend an IETF.
>
> There have been several other cool designs from IETFs past, most  
> notably is the one that the IETF refused to have a shirt for (i.e.,  
> IETF47 in Adelaide). I think that's still (for those who attended)  
> the most popular IETF shirt. I'll give Juniper credit (dare I?  ;-)   
> that this is a very popular design.
>
> So, this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" vs. the  
> purity that those that have an IETF shirt actually went to that  
> particular IETF meeting.
>

If the IETF made $ 5 profit on each shirt sold we would be doing well.

If the IETF sold 100 shirts we would IMO be doing well. If we sold  
1000, we would be doing spectacularly well IMHO.

That would net $ 5000. That's less than ten registrations at a  
meeting. I am neutral about whether or not we do this, but please  
don't imagine that it will supplant registration fees or otherwise  
lead to sudden riches.

Regards
Marshall

> I realize this "purity" isn't really purity, given that I'm a rather  
> large man, and sometimes they don't have my size, so I get a size  
> that fits my wife or daughter.  But the idea that there is one per  
> paid attendee remains.
>
> I fear that advertising ("Joe's Bar/Grill & ISP") will become the  
> next step to gain revenue goals if we go down this path, but I might  
> be being too pessimistic...
>
> James
>
> BTW - I hate for this whole idea to devolve into this scenario --  
> the event sponsor will sell the design of the shirt to the IETF, who  
> might believe they can earn more that it cost (sponsor fee plus  
> COGS) in sales.
>
> At 02:49 AM 7/31/2009, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote:
>> I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like  
>> to clarify here for all.
>>
>> Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San  
>> Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to  
>> the IETF Trust. This was done because a) many people wanted to buy  
>> more of these shirts, b) the IETF expressed an interest in  
>> fulfilling those requests.
>>
>> We hope this art can be leveraged to spread the message about IPv6  
>> transition broadly across the Internet community, in a fun and cool  
>> way . The ball is now in Ray (and team's) court.
>>
>> Hope it helps, and enjoy,
>> the Juniper host team from IETF74
>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++
>> IETF-related email from
>> Gregory M. Lebovitz
>> Juniper Networks
>> g r e go r  y d o t  i e tf a t  g m a i l  do t c o  m
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ietf mailing list
>> Ietf <at> ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ietf mailing list
> Ietf <at> ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
>
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Dave CROCKER | 2 Aug 2009 04:28
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Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust


Knight, Frederick wrote:
> Not to be a stickler for detail (this isn't an RFC afterall).
> 
> But, the DEC Unix group was in New Hampshire, and the State motto of New
> Hampshire is "Live Free or Die".  Just to give credit where credit is
> due.

Yeah, apologies to folk from either state...

> Funny to think of those poor folks in the prisons making the State
> License plates with that Motto written on them.

In fact at the Santa Monica event when the plate was held high, a guy in the
back of the room did yell out "where'd you make those?".  Raised interesting
questions about DEC employment...

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Julian Reschke | 2 Aug 2009 09:18
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anchor parameter, was: Last Call: draft-nottingham-http-link-header (Web Linking) to Proposed Standard

Ian Hickson wrote:
> ...
> Unless there are really strong use cases, I think that the anchor= 
> attribute should be dropped. In practice, implementations today ignore 
> that attribute, which would mean that, e.g., a rel=stylesheet;anchor=a 
> link would fail to have the "right" effect. If it is kept, then the right 
> behaviour for how this should integrate with style sheet linking should be 
> defined in great detail.
> ...

Could you please elaborate what the "right" effect is, and how current 
implementations fail for that?

It appears to me that anchor is not relevant for every single link 
relation, but that doesn't mean it's not useful at all.

BR, Julian
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