The IAOC | 23 May 2013 17:54
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IETF Meeting in South America

As you may know the IAOC has been investigating the feasibility of having an IETF
meeting in South America.  There was a site visit to South America last February. 
We have found two venues that we believe will support a successful IETF meeting
and we would like to get feedback from the community.

The venues are in Buenos Aires.  They meet our requirements for the meeting
space, networking, nearby restaurants and bars, hotel room rates in the mid $200
dollar range, nearby alternate hotels at a broad range of prices, nice area in the
city, safe, direct international flights, and accessible visas.  The IAOC thinks we
could have a successful IETF meeting in Buenos Aires and that attendees would
like the venues.

There has been a consistent level of IETF participation from South and Central
America, and it has been growing since IETF82.  The data on this is posted at 

   http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/IETF-Regional-Attendance-00.pdf.  

The current meeting regional rotation (announced at IETF79) allows for an
occasional IETF meeting outside of our main regions (Europe, North America,
Asia/Pacific).  

IETF standards are made more valuable the more relevant they are and the more
uptake they get.  IETF standards are also made more robust when all perspectives
are represented during their development.  Encouraging growing participation
will help strengthen the Internet, further encourage participation from those areas
that will see the most growth in the coming years, and will help advance the IETF
in political and international circles which is becoming more of an imperative.

We have asked the IESG for their feedback and they are supportive of a meeting in
South America if there is community support and active participants attend.
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SM | 22 May 2013 22:57

RE: Deployment of standards compliant nameservers

At 05:56 22-05-2013, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote:
>providers.  While tying this to contracts seems like a good idea, 
>that is out of our hands at the IETF.  If we went down the path of 
>enforcement through contracts, I wouldn't view this as picking 
>fights, but rather a proactive service to 'help' customers.  Having
>  said that, I think if we can improve the applications that 
> generate their DNS files, it would be more effective long 
> term.  While some teams are technical enough to validate their own 
> DNS, others prefer more full service applications.
>
>Maybe a review of existing applications would be helpful for the 
>community?  I just see the following on Wikipedia:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_DNS_server_software
>and
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_management_software
>
>How about adding a column for compliance to RFCs?  Or a description 
>that makes people

RFC 1035 is updated by 24 RFCs.  There are a few errata which has 
been filed.  The topic says "standards complaint".  Which standard(s) 
does that refer to?  I read "compliance to RFCs", which RFCs does the 
implementation have to comply with?

It has been mentioned [1] on this mailing list that:

   "But there was no energy to get the work done and the drafts languished
    for months without any changes.  It still seems a worthwhile project,
    but there is no evidence that we have a population interested enough
    to do the work."
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Mark Andrews | 21 May 2013 02:26

Deployment of standards compliant nameservers


	I call upon the IESG to discuss with IANA, the RIRs, ICANN
and TLD operators how to deal with the problems caused by the
deployment of non standards compliant nameservers.

	For a long time there have been operational problems
cause by the deployment of non standards compliant nameservers that
fail to respond to DNS queries directed at them or respond incorrectly.

	The biggest problem with respect to deployment of new
types is nameservers that fail to respond to types they don't
understand.  RFC 1034 allows for several different responses:

* name error
* no error no data
* not implemented
* refused
* formerr

"Name error" and "no error no data" are the expected responses for
queries with unknown types.  This is reinforced by RFC 3597.  But
any of the other responses is acceptable.  Failure to respond however
is not acceptable.  It introduces systematic timeouts which are
indistinguishable from network errors without extended analysis of
query response behaviour.

While the percentage of nameservers misbehaving like this are
relatively small they have a disproportionate effect on protocol
development.  They are also easily identifiable when looked for by
querying for a know type at a name that is know to exist, the zone
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SM | 21 May 2013 01:41

Re: Last Call: <draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt> (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

Hi Donald,
At 12:10 20-05-2013, Donald Eastlake wrote:
>People were already storing MAC addresses in DNS for the reason given
>in the draft and perhaps others, it is just that they were doing so in
>a variety of proprietary ways.

Thanks for the explanation.  I'll make a general comment.

 From what I understand the use case is about Canadian ISPs using 
AXFR to (privately) transfer information about IP addresses, EUI-48 
and EUI-64 addresses.  A MAC address is usually tied to a device 
[1][2].  I understand the interoperability argument.  That is 
addressed by the code point allocation.

I personally do not think that it is a good idea to encourage [3] 
storing MAC addresses in the (public) DNS even though people might 
already be doing that.  It has become difficult to reconcile what a 
proposed standard is about.  I prefer that it does not "mean just 
what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less".

Regards,
-sm

1. 
http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?language=en&searchTitle=British+Columbia&path=/en/bc/bcca/doc/2005/2005bcca334/2005bcca334.html
2. http://www.priv.gc.ca/media/sp-d/2011/sp-d_20110125_pk_e.asp
3. I could not find an appropriate word. 

Kamal Kotecha | 17 May 2013 23:31
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Diameter Credit Control Application--Issue during CCR-Update

 
Hi Folks,
 
We are facing a problem with Diameter Credit Control Application:
 
Problem discription:
 
Diameter client sends a CCR-update message to server,but server does not respond to the request.
 
Now,as client is configured with session failover, it will send CCR-update to backup server.
 
In this update message, Destination Host AVP is not being included.  (???)
 
Hence, in same destination realm, this request is forwarded to random peer.
 
This  random peer is responding with failure message as "Diamater Unable to Comply".
 
Whats wrong here..??
 
 
(in rfc 4006, I'm not able to track this kind of scenario!)
 
Regards,
Kamal Kotecha
Thomas Narten | 17 May 2013 06:53
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Adrian Farrel | 15 May 2013 22:30
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Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

The claim (or one of the claims) is that some ADs may place Discusses that are
intended to raise a discussion with the authors/WG that could equally have been
raised with a Comment or through direct email. This, it is claimed, may
unnecessarily delay the document from completing the publication process.

Now the dangerous bit,

Suppose the AD raised her concern by writing a Comment or sending an email and
balloting "No Objection." That would mean that the I-D would be approved for
publication.

At this point either:
- the discussion goes on, but the document becomes an RFC anyway
or
- the responsible AD holds the document pending satisfactory completion of the
discussion.

I suggest that the former is a bad result. Not that the authors/WG will ignore
the discussion, but if they disagree on something the AD considers very
important, the authors/WG have no incentive to participate in the discussion. Of
course, all participants in this thread so far would never behave like that, but
there is a possibility that this will happen for some authors.

I also suggest that the latter introduces exactly the same amount of delay as
the Discuss.

Personally (but this may reflect my Discusses) I find that an active engagement
by the authors and the Discussing AD on the issue and the potential resolution,
always leads to speedy progression of the document either with the AD feeling
stupid, or the document improved. Both are adequate results.

Adrian

Jari Arkko | 14 May 2013 11:11

article on innovation and open standards

Just FYI that I wrote another article, this time on "permissionless innovation" and the role of open
standards. We've talked about these topics earlier, but this has been on my mind recently - I've been
traveling in recent weeks and talking about the roles of various organisations and styles of
standards-making with many people. (Currently at the WTPF in Geneva…)

Here's the article:

http://www.ietf.org/blog/2013/05/permissionless-innovation/

Comments and thoughts appreciated, as always.

Jari

Malcolm.BETTS | 13 May 2013 22:01
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MalcolmBETTS90013533 is out of the office.


I will be out of the office starting  10/05/2013 and will not return until
20/05/2013.

I will not have access to email, I will respond to your message when I
return on May 20th.

Dave Crocker | 13 May 2013 06:59

Review of: draft-otis-dkim-harmful


Review of:     DKIM is Harmful as Specified
I-D:           draft-otis-dkim-harmful-00
Reviewed by:   D. Crocker
Review Date:   12 May 2013

Summary:

    DKIM is in wide use for email operations today; it is currently at 
Draft Standard and has been submitted for elevation to full Internet 
Standard.  The nature and purpose of DKIM is described in the opening 
lines of the Abstract for its core specification (RFC 6376):

    DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) permits a person, role, or
    organization that owns the signing domain to claim some
    responsibility for a message by associating the domain with the
    message.  This can be an author's organization, an operational relay,
    or one of their agents.  DKIM separates the question of the identity
    of the Signer of the message from the purported author of the
    message.  Assertion of responsibility is validated through a
    cryptographic signature and by querying the Signer's domain directly
    to retrieve the appropriate public key.

    The current document expresses concerns about DKIM's limitations and
its use, and it re-raises issues that were extensively discussed and
rejected in the original DKIM working group. The document essentially
criticizes DKIM's performance for message validation, rather than for
its stated purpose of affixing a domain name to the message. The
document also cites some exploits that are not prevented/detected by
DKIM, in spite of their being entirely of the scope of the DKIM
specification. The document seems to be basing its justification for
this criticism on the fact there there are some unspecified people or
organizations that misunderstand DKIM functions.

    Much of the text in this document is factually incorrect, confused
and/or confusing, including architectural layer confusion; some of it
is simply irrelevant to the stated purpose of the document.

    Given DKIM's 6+ years of extensive production experience, flaws as
deep as this document claims exist should be more widely perceived by
now.

Detailed Comments:

> Abstract
>
>    Currently, email lacks conventions ensuring SMTP clients can be
>    identified by an authenticated domain.  Unfortunately many hope to
>    use DKIM as an alternative, but it is independent of intended

DKIM is associated with the message object; in technical terms, it is
independent of the message channel, such as SMTP client. (As a handling
agent, an SMTP client might affix a DKIM signature, but the associated
identifier does not carry any explicit or implicit statement of the
handling role.) Hence, the opening sentence is misguided or, at least, 
misleading.

Also, who are the 'many' and what is the evidence of the claimed 
confusion?  DKIM has been in production deployment since 2006.  If the 
dangers and damages threatened in this document were as real and serious 
as claimed, surely we'd have heard of them from others in the community.

>    recipients and domains accountable for sending the message.  This

DKIM is explicitly defined to be affixed by domains declaring 'some' 
responsibility for the message; this may include domains that send the 
message.  Hence, the assertion here is wrong.

>    means DKIM is poorly suited for establishing abuse assessments for
>    unsolicited messaging of commercial email otherwise known as SPAM,

Actually, DKIM is for making trust assessments, not abuse assessments, 
as acknowledged a bit farther down in the text...

>    nor was this initially DKIM's intent.  DKIM lacks message context
>    essential to ensure fair assessment and to ensure this assessment is
>    not poisoned.

I don't know what "message context" means here.

Taken on its own, this sentence sounds portentous but it has no obvious 
meaning or substantiation.

>    DKIM was instead intended to establish increased levels of trust

Exactly.

>    based upon valid DKIM signatures controlling acceptance and what a
>    user sees within the FROM header field.  But DKIM failed to guard

The identifier used by DKIM is independent of the rfc5322.From field and 
the specification is explicit that it carries no relationship to it. 
Hence this sentence is wrong.

>    against pre-pended header fields where any acceptance based on valid
>    DKIM signatures is sure to exclude header field spoofing, especially

It's true that DKIM does not protect against all possible attacks...

>    that of the FROM.  This weakness allows malefactors to exploit DKIM
>    signature acceptance established by high-volume DKIM domains to spoof
>    ANY other domain, even when prohibited within the Signer's network.

It's true that attacks through vectors not covered by DKIM will not be 
prevented or detected by DKIM use...

It's also true that none of these limitations have been noted as 
problems by the DKIM operations community.

> 1.  Introduction
>
>    Currently, IPv4 address reputation provides the primary basis for
>    defending SMTP open services.  Use of IP addresses in this role

I do not understand what "SMTP open services" means here.

>    completely breaks down when dealing with IPv6 [RFC2460].  There are

That's a prediction, not yet an observable fact.

Although the prediction is reasonable, it's not appropriate to assert it 
as fact.  For example there have been some analyses which suggest that 
adaptation of IPv4-based mechanisms might still prove useful.

>    currently 18,209,237,415,985,168 /64 equivalent IPv6 prefixes routed.
>    [v6-BGP-Rpts].  In comparison, for IPv4 there are 2,614,711,792 IP
>    addresses routed.  While IPv4 is reaching its maximum, IPv6 has about
>    0.1% of the available /64 prefix routed and this continues to grow
>    rapidly.  Unlike IPv4, there is no practical means to scan reverse
>    DNS namespace within IPv6 since each /64 prefix may contain any
>    number of PTR records ranging up to 184,000,000,000,000,000,000.
>
>    A technique commonly employed to automate IPv4 address categorization
>    of suitable hosts is to check whether reverse PTR records appear to
>    represent valid hostnames.  Those that represent 4 decimal numbers
>    are often considered unacceptable, for example.  Our processing of
>    reverse DNS namespace in cooperation with network providers now
>    excludes about 38%, or about 1,000,000,000 IPv4 addresses.  Comparing
>    IPv6 /64 prefixes with the remainder of routable IPv4 addresses shows
>    there are 11.3 million times more IPv6 /64 prefixes needing
>    categorization.  In addition, there is no practical means to
>    facilitate this effort.
>
>    Some also suggest there will not be a significant increase in the
>    number of servers running over IPv6 and since their overall number
>    should be comparable, email should still be dealing with a similar
>    number of IP addresses.  Unlike IPv4, IPv6 does not constrain the
>    number of IP addresses assigned to a network interface.  This feature
>    allows each connection from a server to originate from a different IP
>    address over the entire life of its operation while also having an
>    ability to effortlessly change /64 prefixes.  The potential increase
>    allowed by IPv6 may prove explosive.

All three of the above paragraphs are essentially irrelevant to a 
critique of DKIM...

>
>    Many now hope DKIM will be able to offer a domain identity to provide
>    a basis for acceptance to replace that of the IP address used by SMTP

awkward sentence construction...

>    clients.  With a lack of uptake by commercial reputation services,
>    there are proposals within the IETF aimed at establishing DKIM as a

Both claims in this sentence are false.

>    basis for reputation schemes in the Repute WG.  When such an ill-
>    considered effort is combined with DKIM's inability to detect invalid
>    prefixed header fields, the results can prove highly harmful.

The 'ill-considered' apparently refers to the Repute working group, but 
there's no explanation of its flaws.  Since this is offered as the basis 
for harm, it undermines the entire document.

It's also not clear how reference to the Repute WG is relevant to a 
criticism of DKIM.

>
> 2.  Maintaining Trust
>
>    Not every subsystem or protocol layer should be expected to repeat
>    previous security checks, however critical checks should not be
>    assumed, especially those that involve a trivial amount of effort.
>
>
>
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>
>
>    With high levels of abuse resulting from email's open nature,
>    delegating checks in a structured manner better conserves essential
>    resources.  However, email's highly distributed store and forward
>    protocol could not function if rigid message structures were enforced
>    by the transport.  New authentication or presentation requirements
>    may involve small structural adjustments.  For example,
>    internationalization introduced a format negotiation not assured to
>    survive beyond the next hop.

I do not understand the applicability of the text in this section to to 
the premise of the document, and especially not to the title of the section.

>
> 3.  Responding to Defects and Exploitation
>
>    With the advent of aviation, the world marveled at the skill and
>    intellect taking us to ever greater heights.  With aviation, faults
>    threatening security, that when found, demanded our attention and
>    diligence to effect repair.  As with aviation, the success of email
>    has risen to great heights.  Email has become an integral component

Email does not travel via airplanes, except for those few passengers 
using their laptops, connected during flight.  But perhaps I'm confused 
about the meaning and relevance of this section...

>    in general commerce and the maintenance of security such as reporting
>    system failures, break-in attempts, and facilitating account access
>    recovery.
>
>    Reporting or predicting failure should not be viewed as exhibiting a
>    lack of respect for achieved accomplishments.  Noting and repairing
>    faults only signify the importance of email's prominent role.  As
>    with most security related protocols, responding to noted defects is
>    fairly common.  Not responding to discovered defects in a security
>    related protocol would be shocking.

I do not understand the applicability of the text in this section to to 
the premise of the document.

>
> 4.  SMTP Can't
>
>    SMTP [RFC5321] recommends against rejecting messages based upon
>    perceived defects in the message structure.  This liberal acceptance
>    permits evolutionary changes in message specifications starting at
>    [RFC0822] that was based on [RFC0733] replaced by [RFC2822] and again
>    by [RFC5322], [RFC6152], [RFC6532], and [RFC6854]; the second to last
>    paragraph in section 3 of [RFC5321] provides a definitive statement

Section 3.3, not Section 3.

>    messages should not be rejected due to perceived defects in the
>    [RFC0822] message structure.  The initial reference to [RFC0822] in
>    this paragraph offers two foot notes with the second referencing the
>    latest version of [RFC0822] which is [RFC5322] which itself has
>    recently been updated.  The impact of initially removing text
>    specifically indicating which header fields are not to repeat is

I do not understand what 'removing' is meant here.

>    unknown.  This information was implied within the then-new ABNF

ABNF was new in 1977, not 1982...

>    notation.  Clarifying text for this requirement did not return until
>    the [RFC0822] revision 19 years later which also indicates this
>    specification's success at providing a foundation that allowed email
>    to flourish.

I do not understand the point of the text here.  It seems to be irrelevant.

>
>
>
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>
>    There are many SMTP servers that have been in operation for decades
>    with years passing between security patches.  Such an accomplishment
>    is most remarkable considering the volume of traffic being handled,
>    often from highly malicious sources.  This amazing stability and
>    scalability with high levels of security would not have been possible
>    if SMTP had been expected to validate message formats.
>
>    Expecting SMTP to validate message formats to protect against
>    vulnerabilities pertaining to protocols such as DKIM does not scale.

DKIM has essentially nothing to do with SMTP.  As such, all of the above 
text is irrelevant to a critique of DKIM.

>    The general use of DKIM permits signature checks subsequent to
>    acceptance where only the status of signatures determines internal
>    placement.  As such, it becomes critical to ensure a valid signature
>    is never declared having malformed header field stacks.  To

I can't parse this "As such" sentence.

>    accomplish this, the DKIM specification must change.
>
>
> 5.  DKIM Vulnerability
>
>    DKIM permits a vulnerability by not checking the message header field
>    stack for invalid repeats when signing or verifying a signature.  The

DKIM does not "validate" a message. It associates a domain name with the
message. The difference is fundamental and essential. Again, there are
many attacks DKIM does not protect against, since it isn't trying to
protect against them...

>    DKIM signature process must walk both down and then up the header

No, it is not required to; alternative approaches are viable and permitted.

>    field stack while selecting the header fields to be included in the
>    hash process of the signature.  The DKIM process will even ignore
>    prefixed FROM header fields which is the only header field always
>    included.
>
>    The WG concluded that "listing non-existent header fields as signed"
>    hack added in non-normative language together with opinions that

FWIW, this also had AD support...

>    checking for invalid repeated header fields is not to be considered
>    DKIM's problem.  See section 8.15 of [RFC6376] where this issue was
>    expressed as not an attack against the trust DKIM intends to convey,
>    and thus not a concern for DKIM.  Nevertheless, improperly formed
>    messages may display only the first of multiple header fields that,
>    as a result of erroneous assumptions of there being no invalid
>    repeated header fields, the prefixed header fields are likely to be
>    displayed in lieu of those signed while not impacting DKIM's
>    signature validity.

This text appears to be irrelevant to DKIM's functions, if only because 
DKIM does not cover displays to users.

>
>    DKIM incorrectly assumed the header field stack's starting condition,
>    which DKIM itself is best able to determine, and is an option in the

I don't understand what this sentence is trying to say.

>    OpenDKIM implementation.  This is likely to astonish most recipients
>    that DKIM failed to make a robust effort to maintain the trust it is
>    attempting to convey.  Three members of the WG authored proposed

Small nit:  IETF working group have participants, not 'members'...

>    changes aimed specifically at addressing this issue [DKIM-MH-Attack].
>    At the time, some expressed concerns about whether this might set

This appears to be an attempt to re-raise an issue that was considered 
and rejected by the working group.  How is that productive?

>    back DKIM's standardization process.  As such, DKIM Signers may sign
>    malformed messages (e.g., violate [RFC5322]) and be in compliance

DKIM's RFC 6376, Section 3.8:

    Accordingly, DKIM's design is predicated on valid input.

So the assertion being made here appears to be incorrect.

>    with DKIM specifications.  In addition, receivers may verify these
>
>
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>    messages as having valid signatures despite multiple instances of a
>    header field only permitted to occur once and also be in compliance
>    with DKIM specifications.  See addendum for examples.
>
>    Use of DKIM on such messages exposes a vulnerability in the
>    evaluation process.  Rather than ensuring essential checks are made
>    prior to producing a result, a wasteful hack was later suggested
>    where extra non-existent header fields could be included in the list
>    of signed header fields.  Any pre-pended header field added after
>    signing would thereby change resulting hashes and invalidate the
>    signature.  Not all domains are attempting to achieve the same level
>    of trust and may be more sensitive to incurring incremental storage
>    requirements.  Some domains may even inadvertently sign invalid
>    repeated header fields because this check had not been required in
>    the DKIM process.  These same DKIM domains are also likely to
>    establish themselves as being Too Big To Block.  These TBTB domains
>    can then be used to spoof other domains that may have otherwise
>    established a high level of trust by implementing the hack where, due
>    to this defect in DKIM, can still do nothing in their defense from
>    the perspective of now deceived recipients.
>
>    This vulnerability in DKIM represents an exploit allowing serious
>    attacks caused by erroneous assumptions made in DKIM's signature
>    process.  There is also a header field, which because of its label,
>    may potentially mislead recipients into believing it contains valid
>    "Authentication-Results" [RFC5451].  Common phrases such as
>    "Authentication-Results", "pass", and "fail", rather than use of
>    result codes belies introductory claims this header is not intended
>    for direct human consumption.
>
>
> 6.  Barriers to an Authenticated Domain
>
>    Some advocate use of DKIM as a means to obtain domain references

I do not understand what "a means to obtain domain references" means here?

>    based on the increased prevalence of this protocol.  DKIM is
>    independent of the domain actually sending the message and the

exactly.

>    recipient by design.  Unfortunately, DKIM also does not attempt to
>    protect against likely abuses that are also beyond the control of the
>    signing domain in which DKIM signature validity conveys no assurance
>    pre-fixed header fields have not changed what recipients see.  As

It's true that there are many abuses that DKIM does not protect against 
and does not attempt to protect against.

>    such, DKIM signing domains can not be held accountable for incidents
>    of abuse appearing to violate subscription policies or that spoof
>    other domains.
>
>    Because of DKIM's vulnerability to header field spoofing, it would
>    never be safe to express positive reputations either.  Any such
>    assurance could be exploited by malefactors to deceive those trusting
>    DKIM results.  In short, a DKIM signed domain as currently defined,
>
>
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>    can never be safely used in any context, other than the most rigid
>    exclusion of any unsigned content which is well beyond any existing
>    implementation.  It can never be used for email reputation as
>    currently defined.
>
>
> 7.  Domains as a Basis for Managing Traffic
>
>    A manageable basis for assessments can leverage a smaller number of
>    related domains, compared to IPv6 or even IPv4 addresses.  Although

I do not understand what "a smaller number of related domains" means 
here, nor especially how being 'related' is relevant.

>    technically the domain name space can be larger than the massively
>    large IPv6 address space, in practice it is not.  One hundred
>    thousand domains control 90% of Internet traffic out of approximately
>    100 million domains active each month.  The top 150 domains control
>    50% of the traffic, and the top 2,500 domains control 75%.  This
>    level of domain consolidation permits effective fast-path white-
>    listing.  Improvements achieved using domains to consolidate the
>    threat landscape can easily justify added cryptographic
>    authentication burdens.  Even APL resource records [RFC3123] can
>    authenticate EHLO using a single DNS transaction, but this would not
>    allow IPv6 email to be more easily managed, which cryptographic
>    technology can offer.
>
>
> 8.  XMPP Shows the Way Forward
>
>    In addition to SMTP [RFC5321] using StartTLS [RFC3207] XMPP [RFC6122]
>    uses StartTLS [RFC6120] over a different port with many of the
>    features used by web servers such as [RFC2560] as one means to
>    increase scalability.  It seems plausible that by defining SMTP
>    access over a different port is where a new authentication and
>    international requirements can be resolved together.  Of course, port
>    25 can be used, where it might require StartTLS in the case of IPv6
>    connections.

This appears to be proposing a channel-based, one-hop authentication 
mechanism.  One problem is that TLS is rarely used for authentication of 
the client...

In any event, this section is irrelevant to the stated topic of the 
document, namely DKIM 'harm'.

>    Many administrators overlook a serious problem made much worse by
>    chatty protocols that impose processing delays.  Examining server
>    logs will not reveal any problem either, because the limited resource
>    being consumed is the number of outstanding connections TCP is able
>    to support.  Reaching this limit will prevent new connections from
>    being instantiated but this is not logged as an event.  Over time
>    administrators may hear complaints email is not being delivered or
>    just see an ever growing percentage of spam.
>
>
> 9.  IANA Considerations
>
>    This document requires no IANA consideration.
>
>
>
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> 10.  Security Considerations
>
>    This draft intends to describe serious security concerns raised with
>    use of DKIM exacerbated with IPv6 email.  The contained
>    recommendations are expected to reduce the security concerns.  To
>    ensure security, the DKIM specification must change.
>
>
> 11.  References - Informative
>
>    [DKIM-MH-Attack]
>               http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dkim/trac/ticket/24,
>               "Multiple-header-attack alternative proposal", April 2011.
>
>    [RFC0733]  Crocker, D., Vittal, J., Pogran, K., and D. Henderson,
>               "Standard for the format of ARPA network text messages",
>               RFC 733, November 1977.
>
>    [RFC0822]  Crocker, D., "Standard for the format of ARPA Internet
>               text messages", STD 11, RFC 822, August 1982.
>
>    [RFC2119]  Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate
>               Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997.
>
>    [RFC2460]  Deering, S. and R. Hinden, "Internet Protocol, Version 6
>               (IPv6) Specification", RFC 2460, December 1998.
>
>    [RFC2560]  Myers, M., Ankney, R., Malpani, A., Galperin, S., and C.
>               Adams, "X.509 Internet Public Key Infrastructure Online
>               Certificate Status Protocol - OCSP", RFC 2560, June 1999.
>
>    [RFC2822]  Resnick, P., "Internet Message Format", RFC 2822,
>               April 2001.
>
>    [RFC3123]  Koch, P., "A DNS RR Type for Lists of Address Prefixes
>               (APL RR)", RFC 3123, June 2001.
>
>    [RFC3207]  Hoffman, P., "SMTP Service Extension for Secure SMTP over
>               Transport Layer Security", RFC 3207, February 2002.
>
>    [RFC4291]  Hinden, R. and S. Deering, "IP Version 6 Addressing
>               Architecture", RFC 4291, February 2006.
>
>    [RFC4408]  Wong, M. and W. Schlitt, "Sender Policy Framework (SPF)
>               for Authorizing Use of Domains in E-Mail, Version 1",
>               RFC 4408, April 2006.
>
>    [RFC4941]  Narten, T., Draves, R., and S. Krishnan, "Privacy
>
>
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>               Extensions for Stateless Address Autoconfiguration in
>               IPv6", RFC 4941, September 2007.
>
>    [RFC4954]  Siemborski, R. and A. Melnikov, "SMTP Service Extension
>               for Authentication", RFC 4954, July 2007.
>
>    [RFC5321]  Klensin, J., "Simple Mail Transfer Protocol", RFC 5321,
>               October 2008.
>
>    [RFC5322]  Resnick, P., Ed., "Internet Message Format", RFC 5322,
>               October 2008.
>
>    [RFC5451]  Kucherawy, M., "Message Header Field for Indicating
>               Message Authentication Status", RFC 5451, April 2009.
>
>    [RFC6120]  Saint-Andre, P., "Extensible Messaging and Presence
>               Protocol (XMPP): Core", RFC 6120, March 2011.
>
>    [RFC6122]  Saint-Andre, P., "Extensible Messaging and Presence
>               Protocol (XMPP): Address Format", RFC 6122, March 2011.
>
>    [RFC6152]  Klensin, J., Freed, N., Rose, M., and D. Crocker, "SMTP
>               Service Extension for 8-bit MIME Transport", STD 71,
>               RFC 6152, March 2011.
>
>    [RFC6376]  Crocker, D., Hansen, T., and M. Kucherawy, "DomainKeys
>               Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures", RFC 6376,
>               September 2011.
>
>    [RFC6532]  Yang, A., Steele, S., and N. Freed, "Internationalized
>               Email Headers", RFC 6532, February 2012.
>
>    [RFC6854]  Leiba, B., "Update to Internet Message Format to Allow
>               Group Syntax in the "From:" and "Sender:" Header Fields",
>               RFC 6854, March 2013.
>
>    [v6-BGP-Rpts]
>               http://bgp.potaroo.net/v6/as6447/, "BGP Routing Table
>               Analysis Reports/IPv6/AS6447 views", May 2013.
>
>
> Appendix A.  DKIM Examples
>
> From Random User Tue Mar 12 12:07:37 2013
> X-Apparently-To: just4spamdlr <at> yahoo.com via 72.30.237.8; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:08:37 -0700
> Return-Path: <Fake.user <at> gmail.com>
> Received-SPF: neutral (192.83.249.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gmail.com)
>  A3RleHQvcGxhaW4DAzACA3RleHQvaHRtbAMDMQ--
>
>
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> X-YMailISG: Po8J_9cWLDuz5QIo_tChc7OagZYPBIscsK7APx8FMj835hEX
>  clyJxoQr6Ojy40ccEugqmkym_ayJu65fKm.KJY73k6aprxb9s7Bj6P32lpml
>  6yGzxWFYdNXCwcxHtFGdhKe3v7Tjh8x051jkxjIqfuS0vo8J5rZOr.Z__6vD
>  4wiGFDUwFHNUWAwuz_pwp7pZ5HCivuuuyszYVvH0eIFsrQ9crR.rrk_3EQU2
>  Xkv_fInlGDFR8fafFPMOgQ7QOrHhy0zQUbptDEFGdh1QVOyLwIpjwEC7264k
>  4MqxUH7zz_M5JOQzj6dJslH0.iz5y9Sgp6y6kTUHAVP2f_t1hMeRvf3F7WJ6
>  1yY2rZJALIME1CtiNKQJoDctzgGFRnh_5mo415MvUcEIH7qqS5RFgWtXEQpd
>  JIpyYlECDXVUcuASoLmzbuGSiCEVLq7f4EiBTAsaMwXJ07OgXBR.QYDw3VfA
>  Z0AcfnFrUVHNLZtLaFukQKzdk9c6SpHFHSuCAsvLPuZeRy4Ij5ndXd7viyCS
>  IkAHsnhG_u3.nZr3zUDFOrqw8sEKphobj6ZJ8KEXtuhr_tx.94abE1JRJYi5
>  fukj2h8y9s.K10ZxoTClaw41_DD8fxESbyfyTRPytiEXUdK1WEjgS3rAZ0TA
>  WPJPDr063xLYk20UY0V.N5J15lBCtqZcde_9pdXwxVySyXo1KEQOaH3TNRBZ
>  AKMFuCC7NF56aklkiUgk2EWm8iYoHsFez5_HtOz1zmc1dv4mNFOPTaNrXF2X
>  qjFiwfdUipupIlAEc6pIdv0_le.xvz1jnaewEOyxo4dKd2XLVvybLfsLY16U
>  FzLS9MJJ1wC0Cmf3G2SbOmT4ZiAvPjyv8QnHzbSDDDy3hqg8F0uEE03sJ5dm
>  on5FxOHZZ1wCH7DL1QAXpZYxYWKV.h3q69dKQMl6HbnmfT_WZQY4X8uKXqkZ
>  o34v.YmvJxHSRCSmhFpug1EstpJ4gHVitl_eJzT_n6xYQwhNAuMZ9uRjN2xE
>  1Lf7NpgzRf9bFvOpJAlyLoK5Xvxbx711cMgEUfGIha_JtL1P7hyfncRszHDv
>  txgUYzcsVvRyAyVvwDAM.TEBsFhAtqqwOibqo2l5xCBj2yXRbKJ0EOC1JDMs
> HA--
> X-Originating-IP: [192.83.249.65]
> Authentication-Results: mta1225.mail.bf1.yahoo.com from=gmail.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig);
> from=gmail.com; dkim=pass (ok)
> Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO rdaver.bungi.com) (192.83.249.65)
> by mta1225.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:08:36 -0700
> Received: by rdaver.bungi.com
>         via smail with stdio
>         id <m1UFUYr-00KeXPC <at> rdaver.bungi.com>
>         for Just4spamdlr <at> yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:08:33 -0700 (PDT)
>         (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #591 built 2011-Feb-5)
> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
>         d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
>         h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to
>         :content-type;
>         bh=PS9xMxYwwTGwWXbCd8bjBBm2rwb79wVOSDLhmp+k4b4=;
>         b=qnYVUccLSAi2DGJdUgDDIP9A3uPk3PaxgqhYLBn6xU382MsCi/ICFgKAoFPuwM7BvL
>         AuSuqL6P54cIJ3Pn36h2xmXy+ucNr5r5OqIY63rtvj6Apjr4uW1PzG47J7BGEiP9iwDZ
>         PLTzl9ZLpZXvZZpTCJOXUQP2HF8q6aivCblYZIQcCdVRCftG+A4z0+dEyTHbxoAMx9U3
>         GFISRRHcZ7k7GAyYmLrSr3fUTjvpa1YWoNK+IcSALC2tKVSW5FP1IQAT07f1e8+bOgHh
>         JleaQIw8b1Vjlzhs4hFKLdedmjQqjDJXVP/K3J+t/ggfYn4H547fu6Pb5syKZIiuPf1e
>         yJqA==
>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> X-Received: by 10.220.221.143 with SMTP id ic15mr6773333vcb.32.1363115257152;
>  Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: by 10.52.70.169 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT)
> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -1000
> Message-ID: <CA+VnpPKv0s-p2nKkAkNHS4V2SxZehw_6S9QF5p1p2ji+FMof=Q <at> mail.gmail.com>
>
>
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> Subject: An example signed message
> From: Random User <random.j.user.994 <at> gmail.com>
> To: just4spamdlr <at> yahoo.com
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cdc33bb0ff5204d7bf00ff
> Content-Length: 280
>
>                          reporting valid signature
>
>
> From Fake User Tue Mar 12 12:07:37 2013
> X-Apparently-To: just4spamdlr <at> yahoo.com via 72.30.237.8; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:09:01 -0700
> Return-Path: <Fake.user <at> gmail.com>
> Received-SPF: neutral (192.83.249.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gmail.com)
>  A3RleHQvcGxhaW4DAzACA3RleHQvaHRtbAMDMQ--
> X-YMailISG: gFqc.ysWLDtqkdjDpSCH39uGWhgFfnsGdWobzNb5os6sP0We
> _L38eAdX.VKZWQ2F75gFwoipcPyj4g0uKMm_vSayLjrnps9lBxMGLvtTE8kT
> XYxIw6vZb4aFZ_jEcpoRntvJDkZQl4XSGWGakfmJ5G2blTWZ_i1BVkBvj0Sv
> jEymvhoIXZTb_l8C0Jh69ot3MgrNBvjhrBmhCK3sziUtDPpKQPJb_lxCnYKN
> O0SiArQ_TUXrCRFRNsyEiJxzVfSgJWIdsCV5BN3cp..NZ17X8fguB.YxNQjt
> qjVcGMd4IjQioY.a4f1luQxuiCN1yWvYqiLpP6eOCQhMrHt9XOdk32HAXNuJ
> GBraVtjrySTl9Db7PpRC46wlMs3iIUHl3z0d4o6293sMA5qFmnbczGoLRGFs
> RUVlBJuRoJCSYZh5LOwbj0RPQNX2Nmw.LHwF7SY3XcZWFUjvUQQ2sdx63m_J
> Mgy7JHAwBTVH6ytULsbXvu38a5GIYHccfNnDKVjtsrIg9qBDpVASHrRkncL0
> MFLy5FHLb_XBW1TPztCFtlRViKr_HFxMob6aZIte6T57AMqlV2YAHwVNObwx
> WE8ZWTkKNWbXqJYytd3vyuyAHfuseBFP_Jfmj0zVtg52EXpIlDiTANEOTamP
> zeu23QbeRWJd_Gpz9bbGw_OorPdcV.WJOQ29DHpiYAQRgWjJNLjkd8dI.vuM
> vs1Fr7LOiE3wRpSU5AW_hrR4anvGrnwSPOQaFmpNE0pl8n.Vomrp.5NU8cgU
> QYI1UCSPoE_HK5Som2HMPYZFQv0pJSu1NeitXlRM3DHkIMvW4aVYqrHSNVjl
> gGCFFx77c25QW.XAGtySBYWcTzcUlHP4fMa7Wli4u06C4N3pDPiQoXKOC10U
> koXUMKFYmedaZYvEeQRPO3_8xHwKyZ.QInDsnQRwPFWYKvcWCJu4c5zxDMG4
> h1AsyT3CM80nZXk8.ZGhzfTgo810Xjn_OJVgUfkG1z3..ReN990deaWJY8F5
> _j6lRWLZZRzCMwOGpJ6I.jgaN5mNk38Kj6.NYLFCpMTEIt28jIRHD85cfpa3
> iOL3drg1TIKQWrEhS9u3H29niQ_hjHbk7ys6uSJvowilRwO8eB2s.Wz0
> X-Originating-IP: [192.83.249.65]
> Authentication-Results: mta1266.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
> from=gmail.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig);
> from=gmail.com; dkim=pass (ok)
> Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO rdaver.bungi.com) (192.83.249.65)
>  by mta1266.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:09:00 -0700
>  Received: by rdaver.bungi.com
>         via smail with stdio
>         id <m1UFUZI-00KeXRC <at> rdaver.bungi.com>
>         for Just4spamdlr <at> yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:09:00 -0700 (PDT)
>         (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #591 built 2011-Feb-5)
> From: Fake User <fake.user <at> gmail.com>
> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
>      d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
>      h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to
>
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>      :content-type;
>      bh=PS9xMxYwwTGwWXbCd8bjBBm2rwb79wVOSDLhmp+k4b4=;
>      b=qnYVUccLSAi2DGJdUgDDIP9A3uPk3PaxgqhYLBn6xU382MsCi/ICFgKAoFPuwM7BvL
>       AuSuqL6P54cIJ3Pn36h2xmXy+ucNr5r5OqIY63rtvj6Apjr4uW1PzG47J7BGEiP9iwDZ
>       PLTzl9ZLpZXvZZpTCJOXUQP2HF8q6aivCblYZIQcCdVRCftG+A4z0+dEyTHbxoAMx9U3
>       GFISRRHcZ7k7GAyYmLrSr3fUTjvpa1YWoNK+IcSALC2tKVSW5FP1IQAT07f1e8+bOgHh
>       JleaQIw8b1Vjlzhs4hFKLdedmjQqjDJXVP/K3J+t/ggfYn4H547fu6Pb5syKZIiuPf1e
>       yJqA==
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> X-Received: by 10.220.221.143 with SMTP id ic15mr6773333vcb.32.1363115257152;
>  Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: by 10.52.70.169 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT)
> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -1000
> Message-ID: <CA+VnpPKv0s-p2nKkAkNHS4V2SxZehw_6S9QF5p1p2ji+FMof=Q <at> mail.gmail.com>
> Subject: An example signed message
> From: Random User <random.j.user.994 <at> gmail.com>
> To: just4spamdlr <at> yahoo.com
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cdc33bb0ff5204d7bf00ff
> Content-Length: 280
>
>                      spoofed DKIM with valid signature
>
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> Appendix B.  Stats
>
>      Total spams:               9438
>      DKIM pass:                  688 (about 25% relayed from large ESPs)
>      DKIM fail:                  189
>      DKIM pass w/multiple from:   28 (about 2% on average)
>      Unsigned:                  8561
>
>                      Looking at a few minutes of spam.
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> Authors' Addresses
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>    Douglas Otis
>    Trend Micro
>    10101 N. De Anza Blvd
>    Cupertino, CA  95014
>    USA
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>    Phone: +1.408.257-1500
>    Email: doug_otis <at> trendmicro.com
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>    Trend Micro
>    10101 N. De Anza Blvd
>    Cupertino, CA  95014
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net

Douglas Otis | 12 May 2013 20:00
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DKIM is Harmful as Specified

Dear ietf,

To better clarify elements within otis-ipv6-email-authent draft, a separate I-D is focused primarily on DKIM.


Regards,
Douglas Otis

Gmane