Re: Proto Requirement - Weigh in Please (was: re:Issue Summary: Inter-FE Topology requirements)

Hi All,

I support the modification proposed by Joel Halpern, which I think is:

"The ForCES protocol or information carried in the ForCES protocol MUST
allow those FEs which have inter-FE topology information to provide that
information to the CE(s)."

There is an implicit requirement on the information carried in the protocol
to be able to reveal this capability, but I don't interpret this as a
requirement on the ForCES protocol itself beyond what is already stated in
section 7, requirement 1.

Regards,

Alistair

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Consensus?

David and I drew the conclusion that we have reached consensus
on these 2 issues. The first one seems to be ok. For the second
issue "MAY" versus "MUST" will be solved by replacing the text
with the input from Joel as most people have asked for.

Thanks,
Patrick

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Protocol Selection Status & Process Update

All,

Previously the list had been asked for input about
how to select a protocol for ForCES from the available
submissions.  In the resultant discussions a clear 
consensus emerged around having an evaluation document 
that will compare the various proposals against the 
ForCES requirements.  There was some support for having
a protocol evaluation committee of experts, although
some concerns where also expressed.

Patrick & I have decided to utilize the following process:

1) Create a protocol evaluation draft outline with 
   input from the list.
2) Have the protocol proposal authors fill in the
   relevant sections of the draft to their proposals
3) Have the WG as a whole evaluate the results of the
   draft and make a decision around which proposal to
   use as the ForCES protocol.

Per step #1, Patrick and myself expect to send an 
outline of the protocol evaluation draft to the list 
for review shortly.

In light of recent discussions around changes to the
requirements, if there are any further changes to the 
requirements,  the appropriate sections of the protocol 
selection draft will be updated appropriately.

ForCES FE model v01 is finally here!

Hi, all --

Starting from the IETF Vienna meeting, the FE model design team has been working very hard for the last three
months to consoliadate the two existing contributions on FE model into one coherent document. Here is the
outcome of that collective effort. We would like to invite everyone in the mailing list to spend some time
reviewing this document and providing feedback.  There are still many open issues that we would like the
mailing list to discuss over. Most of these issues are also documented in this draft.  To facilitate the
discussion and tracking, I will send out a list of open issues in a separate email later, once people get a
chance reviewing the document.

Thank you for your attention,

Lily

 <<draft-ietf-forces-model-01.txt>> 

     
    Internet Draft                                 L. Yang 
    Expiration: April 2004                              Intel Labs 
    File: draft-ietf-forces-model-01.txt           J. Halpern 
    Working Group: ForCES                               Megisto Systems
                                                   R. Gopal 
                                                        Nokia 
                                                   A. DeKok 
                                                        IDT Inc. 
                                                   Z. Haraszti 
                                                   S. Blake 

I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-forces-model-01.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Forwarding and Control Element Separation
Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : ForCES Forwarding Element Functional Model
        Author(s)       : L. Yang, et. al.
        Filename        : draft-ietf-forces-model-01.txt
        Pages           : 36
        Date            : 2003-10-6

This document defines the forwarding element (FE) model used in the
Forwarding and Control Plane Separation (ForCES) protocol.  The
model represents the capabilities, state and configuration of
forwarding elements within the context of the ForCES protocol, so
that control elements (CEs) can control the FEs accordingly.  More
specifically, the model describes the logical functions that are
present in an FE, what capabilities these functions support, and
how these functions are or can be interconnected. This FE model is
intended to satisfy the model requirements specified in the ForCES
requirements draft [1].  A list of the basic logical functional
blocks (LFBs) is also defined in the LFB class library to aid the
effort in defining individual LFBs.

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I-D ACTION:draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.

        Title           : ForCES Protocol Evaluation Draft
        Author(s)       : D. Putzolu
        Filename        : draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.txt
        Pages           : 12
        Date            : 2003-10-6

This document provides an evaluation of the applicability of three
proposed approaches for a ForCES protocol: FACT[2], GRMP[3], and
Netlink2[4]. A summary of each of the proposed protocols against the
ForCES requirements[5] and the ForCES framework[6] is provided.
Compliancy of each of the protocols against each requirement is
detailed.  A conclusion summarizes how each of the protocols fares in
the evaluation.

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ForCES Protocol Evaluation Draft - Please review & send feedback! (was: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.txt)

All,

I have submitted a template document for use in
protocol evaluation.  The format and contents is 
based on similar efforts done in other IETF working
groups. The URL is:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.t
xt

Please do the following:
* Review the template and send suggestions
  for additional or changed criteria or sections.  
* Indicate whether this is acceptable as a working
  group document or not. Once accepted as a WG
  document authors will be asked to begin filling
  out the various sections.

Thanks,
David

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Re: ForCES Protocol Evaluation Draft - Please review & send feedback! (was: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.txt)

Hi David

The draft looks like a good starting point to add the protocol details.
I think it should be accepted as a WG document.
By when would you like the protocol authors to have the sections
completed ?

Pls do let us know.

Thanks
Hormuzd

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Subject: [FORCES] ForCES Protocol Evaluation Draft - Please review &
send feedback! (was: FW: I-D
ACTION:draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.txt)

All,

I have submitted a template document for use in
protocol evaluation.  The format and contents is 
based on similar efforts done in other IETF working
groups. The URL is:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.t
xt

Re: ForCES Protocol Evaluation Draft - Please review & send feedback! (was: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.txt)

Hello David,

This is acceptable as a working group document.

Regards,
Alex.

"Putzolu, David" wrote:

> All,
>
> I have submitted a template document for use in
> protocol evaluation.  The format and contents is
> based on similar efforts done in other IETF working
> groups. The URL is:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.t
> xt
>
> Please do the following:
> * Review the template and send suggestions
>   for additional or changed criteria or sections.
> * Indicate whether this is acceptable as a working
>   group document or not. Once accepted as a WG
>   document authors will be asked to begin filling
>   out the various sections.
>
> Thanks,
> David
>

Re: ForCES Protocol Evaluation Draft - Please review & send feedback! (was: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.txt)

Hi David,

The evaluation draft is acceptable as WG document. 
For the convenience of the evaluation document readers,  I suppose if the original reqirement text, 
especially the protocol requirement part, can be included in the first part of every evaluation section in
the 
document, then followed by the conpliance evaluation of all candidate protocols? 
 
Best regards,
weiming

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Subject: ForCES Protocol Evaluation Draft - Please review & send feedback! (was: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.txt)


All,

I have submitted a template document for use in
protocol evaluation.  The format and contents is 
based on similar efforts done in other IETF working
groups. The URL is:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-putzolu-forces-evaluation-00.t

xt

Please do the following:
* Review the template and send suggestions