Sent
for Bill Morgan by David Peet:
There currently is no
"AS3".
For
the past three years, bTrade has been facilitating a healthy
exchange of opinions in this great debate.
Secure
FTP is an established technology that leverages SSL to protect the
session.
"SMIME-ing"
the payload is easily achievable for a nested security schema, as is DES,
3DES, AES, PGP, etc.
Message
Disposition Notifications are foreign to FTP servers and would thus present a
formidable barrier to adoption by current S/FTP
environments.
Finally,
there is still the great firewall policy debates relating to
exposing FTP ports to the Internet.
That
is why Virtual Private Networks were created, to leverage the Internet for
secure business communications without the risk of exposing FTP
ports.
Those
of us who have provided EDIINT solutions over the past two or three years have
always understood these "FTP" challenges and have responded in kind to market
demands. To date, the market has demanded Secure FTP, AS1, and
AS2.
An
AS3 offering can quickly be released by most of us, but adoption rates will
not be nearly as high as AS1 or AS2, if AS3 gains traction at
all.
However,
AS3 offerings may provide a degree of consternation by those trying to
simplify and consolidate secure Internet communications.
Regarding
ebXML, the Message, Routing, and Transportation standard is agnostic to SMTP,
HTTP, or FTP communications.
Furthermore,
the ebXML protocol was carefully crafted to be neutral of all transport
protocols.
HTTP,
FTP, SMTP or any other "P" can be used within an ebXML
framework.
By
the way, did you hear about bTrade's AS4?
Bill
Morgan
Executive
Vice President,
Chief
Solutions Officer
bTrade,
inc.
www.bTrade.com
972.580.2900
-----Original
Message-----
From: Greg
Vesper [mailto:gvesper <at> cyclonecommerce.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:18
PM
To: David Fischer; Jeff
Lightcap; ietf-ediint <at> imc.org
Cc: Dave Bennett
Subject: RE: AS3?....
I
strongly suggest we take up the issue of demand. Cyclone has been
servicing market demand for this capability for several years in production
hardened environments and would be happy to argue in favor of FTP as a
valid transport for EDIINT.
Alternatively, the
role of FTP within the ebXML standard could be elevated to achieve the same
desired functionality with the advantage of what ebXML brings to the
table.
Either
way, the absence of FTP as a transport for secure B2B messaging is an obvious
hole. FTP is a valid transport with an enormous amount of existing
infrastructure - it ought to be elevated in the appropriate standards, be
it EDIINT, ebXML, or both.
I'm
happy to actively participate in any initiatives in this
regard.
Cheers,
-Greg.
Greg
Vesper
Cyclone Commerce
Director, Product Management
480-627-1828
-----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-ietf-ediint <at> mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-ediint <at> mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of David Fischer
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:38
PM
To: Jeff Lightcap;
ietf-ediint <at> imc.org
Subject:
RE: AS3?....
There is no
proposed AS3 standard. On several occasions, vendor's have requested an
AS3 standard based upon FTP. Thus far, we have not seen enough end-user
demand to proceed with this, but if such demand becomes evident, we
could.
Regards,
David
Fischer
Drummond
Group.
-----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-ietf-ediint <at> mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-ediint <at> mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Lightcap
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:47
PM
To:
'ietf-ediint <at> imc.org'
Subject: AS3?....
Anyone know what is
proposed for AS3. Trailblazer Systems is implementing FTP with S/MIME. They
also mention AS3 on their web site as a proposed standard: http://www.as400ftp.com/latestnews_detail.cfm?number=2
I can't find
anything about this proposed standard anywhere except for the mention on the
page indicated above.
Jeffrey
Lightcap
Senior Application
Engineer
Cleo
Communications
www.cleo.com
jlightcap <at> cleo.com
1-815-654-8110 ext
2735
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