Internet-Drafts | 2 Jun 13:28 2003
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I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-mib-06.txt

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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Link Management Protocol Management Information Base
	Author(s)	: M. Dubuc et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-mib-06.txt
	Pages		: 77
	Date		: 2003-5-30
	
This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
In particular, it describes managed objects for modeling the Link
Management Protocol (LMP).

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I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-03.txt

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	Title		: Tracing Requirements for Generic Tunnels
	Author(s)	: R. Bonica, K. Kompella, D. Meyer
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-03.txt
	Pages		: 9
	Date		: 2003-5-30
	
This document specifies requirements for a generic route-tracing
application.  It also specifies requirements for a protocol that will
support that application. Network operators will use the generic
route-tracing application to verify proper operation of the IP
forwarding plane. They will also use the application to discover
details regarding tunnels that support IP forwarding.
The generic route-tracing application, specified herein, supports a
superset of the functionality that 'traceroute' currently offers.
Like traceroute, the generic route-tracing application can discover
the forwarding path between two interfaces that are contained by an
IP network. Unlike traceroute, this application can reveal details
regarding tunnels that support the IP forwarding path.

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Ron Bonica | 2 Jun 15:00 2003
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FW: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-03.txt

Folks,

Please disregard this 03 version. I have posted an 04 version to address
Xiaoming Fu's comments. The draft editor should announce it soon.

                                     Ron

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> 	Title		: Tracing Requirements for Generic Tunnels
> 	Author(s)	: R. Bonica, K. Kompella, D. Meyer
> 	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-03.txt
> 	Pages		: 9
> 	Date		: 2003-5-30
>
> This document specifies requirements for a generic route-tracing
> application.  It also specifies requirements for a protocol that will
> support that application. Network operators will use the generic
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Adrian Farrel | 2 Jun 16:13 2003

Re: ASON reqts - Moving on?

Thanks Kireeti,

> | 5. Those who think that ITU-T didn't get the requirements right, so we
> |    need to look at everything from scratch.
>
> This is explicitly *not* the intent.  A requirement goes into this
> document iff:
>   (a) the ITU-T says, "Yes, that's a requirement for ASON signaling"; and
>   (b) CCAMP and the ITU-T agree that GMPLS doesn't meet it.
>
> Requirements that are already met MAY be documented, but it is not a
> goal to capture all ASON requirements.

I agree with your statement of non-goal.

I would like to err on the side of documenting requirements that are already
met. It is much clearer that way and opens up (and so puts to bed firmly) any
debate about whether GMPLS *does* already meet the requirements.

Cheers,
Adrian

Internet-Drafts | 3 Jun 13:46 2003
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I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt

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	Title		: Tracing Requirements for Generic Tunnels
	Author(s)	: R. Bonica, K. Kompella, D. Meyer
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt
	Pages		: 9
	Date		: 2003-6-2
	
This document specifies requirements for a generic route-tracing
application.  It also specifies requirements for a protocol that will
support that application. Network operators will use the generic
route-tracing application to verify proper operation of the IP
forwarding plane. They will also use the application to discover
details regarding tunnels that support IP forwarding.
The generic route-tracing application, specified herein, supports a
superset of the functionality that 'traceroute' currently offers.
Like traceroute, the generic route-tracing application can discover
the forwarding path between two interfaces that are contained by an
IP network. Unlike traceroute, this application can reveal details
regarding tunnels that support the IP forwarding path.

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Internet-Drafts | 3 Jun 13:46 2003
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I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-reqts-00.txt

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	Title		: Requirements for Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Usage and 
                          Extensions for Automatically Switched Optical Network 
                          (ASON)
      	Author(s)	: D. Papadimitriou et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-reqts-00.txt
	Pages		: 11
	Date		: 2003-6-2
	
The Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) suite of protocol has been defined to
control different switching technologies as well as different
applications. These include support for requesting TDM connections
including SONET/SDH and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs).
This document concentrates on the signaling aspects of the GMPLS
suite of protocols. It identifies the features to be covered by the
signalling protocol to support the capabilities of an Automatically
Switched Optical Network (ASON). This document provides a problem
statement and additional requirements on the GMPLS signaling
protocol to support the ASON functionality.

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Ron Bonica | 3 Jun 14:52 2003
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FW: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt

Folks,

Pleae review this version. It is the most recent.

                                Ron

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> 
> 	Title		: Tracing Requirements for Generic Tunnels
> 	Author(s)	: R. Bonica, K. Kompella, D. Meyer
> 	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt
> 	Pages		: 9
> 	Date		: 2003-6-2
> 	
> This document specifies requirements for a generic route-tracing
> application.  It also specifies requirements for a protocol that will
> support that application. Network operators will use the generic
> route-tracing application to verify proper operation of the IP
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Hamid Ould-Brahim | 3 Jun 15:37 2003

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt

Ron,

This is a good document. I just have one clarification/comment:

in the draft:

"7) Support the following tunneling technologies: GRE, MPLS, IPSEC,
      GMPLS, IP-in-IP, L2TP. Be easily extensible to support new tunnel
      technologies."

and req. 8 on heterogeneous tunnels.

I assume the tracing doesn't preclude the case where the IP
tunnels are carrying MPLS-in-IP or MPLS-in-GRE encapsulation.

Should that be explicitly mentioned (since it has implication
on the type)?.

Hamid.

>
> Pleae review this version. It is the most recent.
>
>                                 Ron
>
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> >
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> > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement
> > Plane Working Group of the IETF.
> >
> >     Title           : Tracing Requirements for Generic Tunnels
> >     Author(s)       : R. Bonica, K. Kompella, D. Meyer
> >     Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt
> >     Pages           : 9
> >     Date            : 2003-6-2
> >    
> > This document specifies requirements for a generic route-tracing
> > application.  It also specifies requirements for a protocol
> that will
> > support that application. Network operators will use the generic
> > route-tracing application to verify proper operation of the IP
> > forwarding plane. They will also use the application to discover
> > details regarding tunnels that support IP forwarding.
> > The generic route-tracing application, specified herein, supports a
> > superset of the functionality that 'traceroute' currently offers.
> > Like traceroute, the generic route-tracing application can discover
> > the forwarding path between two interfaces that are contained by an
> > IP network. Unlike traceroute, this application can reveal details
> > regarding tunnels that support the IP forwarding path.
> >
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Ron Bonica | 3 Jun 16:03 2003
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RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt

Hamid,
 
That is exactly the intent of requirements 7 and 8.
 
Requirement 7 says that you can trace through type of tunnel (e.g., GRE, MPLS). Requirement 8 says that you can trace through heterogeneous, nested tunnels. This should include any X over any Y as well as any Y over any X. It should also support multiple levels of nesting (X over Y over Z).
 
                                                                                              Ron
 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:38 AM
To: Ron Bonica; ccamp <at> ops.ietf.org
Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt

Ron,

This is a good document. I just have one clarification/comment:

in the draft:

"7) Support the following tunneling technologies: GRE, MPLS, IPSEC,
      GMPLS, IP-in-IP, L2TP. Be easily extensible to support new tunnel
      technologies."

and req. 8 on heterogeneous tunnels.

I assume the tracing doesn't preclude the case where the IP
tunnels are carrying MPLS-in-IP or MPLS-in-GRE encapsulation.

Should that be explicitly mentioned (since it has implication
on the type)?.

Hamid.

>
> Pleae review this version. It is the most recent.
>
>                                 Ron
>
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> >
> >
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
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> > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement
> > Plane Working Group of the IETF.
> >
> >     Title           : Tracing Requirements for Generic Tunnels
> >     Author(s)       : R. Bonica, K. Kompella, D. Meyer
> >     Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt
> >     Pages           : 9
> >     Date            : 2003-6-2
> >    
> > This document specifies requirements for a generic route-tracing
> > application.  It also specifies requirements for a protocol
> that will
> > support that application. Network operators will use the generic
> > route-tracing application to verify proper operation of the IP
> > forwarding plane. They will also use the application to discover
> > details regarding tunnels that support IP forwarding.
> > The generic route-tracing application, specified herein, supports a
> > superset of the functionality that 'traceroute' currently offers.
> > Like traceroute, the generic route-tracing application can discover
> > the forwarding path between two interfaces that are contained by an
> > IP network. Unlike traceroute, this application can reveal details
> > regarding tunnels that support the IP forwarding path.
> >
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Hamid Ould-Brahim | 3 Jun 16:16 2003

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt

Okay.
 
Hamid.
 
That is exactly the intent of requirements 7 and 8.
 
Requirement 7 says that you can trace through type of tunnel (e.g., GRE, MPLS). Requirement 8 says that you can trace through heterogeneous, nested tunnels. This should include any X over any Y as well as any Y over any X. It should also support multiple levels of nesting (X over Y over Z).
 
                                                                                              Ron
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Hamid Ould-Brahim [mailto:hbrahim <at> nortelnetworks.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:38 AM
To: Ron Bonica; ccamp <at> ops.ietf.org
Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt

Ron,

This is a good document. I just have one clarification/comment:

in the draft:

"7) Support the following tunneling technologies: GRE, MPLS, IPSEC,
      GMPLS, IP-in-IP, L2TP. Be easily extensible to support new tunnel
      technologies."

and req. 8 on heterogeneous tunnels.

I assume the tracing doesn't preclude the case where the IP
tunnels are carrying MPLS-in-IP or MPLS-in-GRE encapsulation.

Should that be explicitly mentioned (since it has implication
on the type)?.

Hamid.

>
> Pleae review this version. It is the most recent.
>
>                                 Ron
>
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> >
> >
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
> > Internet-Drafts directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement
> > Plane Working Group of the IETF.
> >
> >     Title           : Tracing Requirements for Generic Tunnels
> >     Author(s)       : R. Bonica, K. Kompella, D. Meyer
> >     Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-04.txt
> >     Pages           : 9
> >     Date            : 2003-6-2
> >    
> > This document specifies requirements for a generic route-tracing
> > application.  It also specifies requirements for a protocol
> that will
> > support that application. Network operators will use the generic
> > route-tracing application to verify proper operation of the IP
> > forwarding plane. They will also use the application to discover
> > details regarding tunnels that support IP forwarding.
> > The generic route-tracing application, specified herein, supports a
> > superset of the functionality that 'traceroute' currently offers.
> > Like traceroute, the generic route-tracing application can discover
> > the forwarding path between two interfaces that are contained by an
> > IP network. Unlike traceroute, this application can reveal details
> > regarding tunnels that support the IP forwarding path.
> >
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