David Levi | 7 Sep 2004 15:54

updated rstp MIB draft

Hi All,

Here's an updated version of the RSTP-MIB ID.  I've made the following
changes:

- updated all the boilerplate text and references

- updated text about 32-bit default path costs to say that you should
  use dot1dStpPortPathCost32 instead of dot1dStpPortPathCost (bottom
  of page 6).  Note that this depends on publication of the SMIv2
  version of the BRIDGE-MIB (and when that gets published, all the
  references to RFC1493 need to be updated)

- Clarified DESCRIPTIONs of dot1dStpPathCostDefault, dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort,
  and dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort

I'll submit this to be published at the end of the week.

-Dave

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Internet Draft                                                   V. Ngai
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draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-05.txt                                 E. Bell
                                                              3Com Corp.
                                                          September 2004

              Definitions of Managed Objects for Bridges
                   with Rapid Spanning Tree Protocol

Status of this Memo

   By submitting this Internet-Draft, I certify that any applicable
   patent or other IPR claims of which I am aware have been disclosed,
   or will be disclosed, and any of which I become aware will be
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Abstract

   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in TCP/IP based internets.
   In particular, it defines a MIB module for managing the Rapid
   Spanning Tree capability defined by the IEEE P802.1t [802.1t] and
   P802.1w [802.1w] amendments to IEEE Std 802.1D-1998 for bridging
   between Local Area Network (LAN) segments.

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   Provisions are made for support of transparent bridging.  Provisions
   are also made so that these objects apply to bridges connected by
   subnetworks other than LAN segments.  This memo also includes a MIB
   module in a manner that is compliant to SMIv2 [RFC2578].

   This memo supplements RFC 1493 [RFC1493] and RFC 2674 [RFC2674].

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Table of Contents

   1 The Internet-Standard Management Framework ...................    4
   2 Overview .....................................................    4
   2.1 Scope ......................................................    4
   3 Structure of MIBs ............................................    4
   3.1 Structure of RSTP-MIB ......................................    5
   3.2 Relationship to Other MIBs .................................    5
   3.2.1 Relation to Original Bridge MIB ..........................    5
   3.2.1.1 The dot1dBase Group ....................................    6
   3.2.1.2 The dot1dStp Group .....................................    6
   3.2.1.3 The dot1dTp Group ......................................    7
   3.2.1.4 The dot1dStatic Group ..................................    7
   4 Definitions for RSTP-MIB .....................................    8
   5 Acknowledgments ..............................................   15
   6 Security Considerations ......................................   15
   7 Normative References .........................................   16
   8 Informative References .......................................   17
   9 Authors' Addresses ...........................................   18
    Intellectual Property Statement ...............................   19
    Disclaimer of Validity ........................................   19
    Copyright Statement ...........................................   19

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1.  The Internet-Standard Management Framework

   For a detailed overview of the documents that describe the current
   Internet-Standard Management Framework, please refer to section 7 of
   RFC 3410 [RFC3410].

   Managed objects are accessed via a virtual information store, termed
   the Management Information Base or MIB.  MIB objects are generally
   accessed through the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP).
   Objects in the MIB are defined using the mechanisms defined in the
   Structure of Management Information (SMI).  This memo specifies a MIB
   module that is compliant to the SMIv2, which is described in STD 58,
   RFC 2578 [RFC2578], STD 58, RFC 2579 [RFC2579] and STD 58, RFC 2580
   [RFC2580].

2.  Overview

   A common device present in many networks is the Bridge.  This device
   is used to connect Local Area Network segments below the network
   layer.  These devices are often known as 'layer 2 switches'.

   There are two major modes defined for this bridging: Source-Route and
   transparent.  Source-Route bridging is described by IEEE 802.5
   [802.5] and is not discussed further in this document.

   The transparent method of bridging is defined by IEEE 802.1D-1998
   [802.1D]  Managed objects for that original specification of
   transparent bridging were defined in RFC 1493 [RFC1493].

2.1.  Scope

   This MIB includes a comprehensive set of managed objects which
   attempts to match the set defined in IEEE P802.1t [802.1t] and
   P802.1w [802.1w].

3.  Structure of MIBs

   This document defines additional managed objects for Rapid Spanning
   Tree Protocol defined by IEEE P802.1t and IEEE P802.1w, on top of
   those existing in the original BRIDGE-MIB module defined in
   [RFC1493]: that MIB module is to be maintained unchanged for
   backwards compatibility.  Section 3.4.1 of the present document
   contains some recommendations regarding usage of objects in the

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   original bridge MIB by devices implementing the enhancements defined
   here.

3.1.  Structure of RSTP-MIB

   Objects in this MIB are defined as an addition to the dot1dStp group
   in the original bridge MIB [BRIDGE-MIB].  The overall structure is
   shown below:

   Bridge MIB Name                       IEEE 802.1 Reference

   dot1dStp
     dot1dStpVersion                   (w) 17.16.1  ForceVersion
     dot1dStpTxHoldCount               (w) 17.16.6  TxHoldCount
     dot1dStpPathCostDefault
     dot1dStpExtPortTable
       dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration   (w) 17.18.10 mcheck
       dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort       (t) 18.3.3   adminEdgePort
       dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort        (t) 18.3.4   operEdgePort
       dot1dStpPortAdminPointToPoint   (w) 6.4.3    adminPointToPointMAC
       dot1dStpPortOperPointToPoint    (w) 6.4.3    operPointToPointMAC
       dot1dStpPortAdminPathCost       (D) 8.5.5.3  Path Cost

3.2.  Relationship to Other MIBs

   As described above, some IEEE 802.1D management objects have not been
   included in this MIB because they overlap with objects in other MIBs
   applicable to a bridge implementing this MIB.  In particular, it is
   assumed that a bridge implementing this MIB will implement the
   original bridge MIB [RFC1493].

3.2.1.  Relation to Original Bridge MIB

   This section defines how objects in the original bridge MIB module
   [RFC1493] should be represented for devices which implement all the
   MIB modules described in this memo.  Some of the old objects are less
   useful in such devices but must still be implemented for reasons of
   backwards compatibility.

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3.2.1.1.  The dot1dBase Group

   This mandatory group contains the objects which are applicable to all
   types of bridges.  Interpretation of this group is unchanged.

3.2.1.2.  The dot1dStp Group

   This group contains the objects that denote the bridge's state with
   respect to the Spanning Tree Protocol.  If a node does not implement
   the Spanning Tree Protocol, this group will not be implemented.

   In a device supporting the Spanning Tree Algorithm and Protocol
   defined in IEEE 802.1D-1998 Clause 8, interpretation of this group is
   unchanged.

   In a device supporting the Rapid Spanning Tree Algorithm and Protocol
   defined in IEEE 802.1w Clause 17, the interpretation of objects in
   this group is unchanged except for those listed below:

   dot1dStpPriority
        Definition remains unchanged, but the permissible values are
        changed to 0-61440, in steps of 4096.

   dot1dStpPortPriority
        Definition remains unchanged, but the permissible values are
        changed to 0-240, in steps of 16.

   dot1dStpTimeSinceTopologyChange
        The time since the tcWhile timer for any port on this Bridge was
        non-zero.

   dot1dStpTopChanges
        The number of times that there have been at least one non-zero
        tcWhile timer on this Bridge.

   In a device supporting the 32-bit default Path Costs defined in IEEE
   802.1t Table 8-5, the object dot1dStpPortPathCost32 [RFC1493] should
   be used rather than the older object dot1dStpPortPathCost. The newer
   object supports the expanded range of 1-200,000,000.

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3.2.1.3.  The dot1dTp Group

   This group contains objects that describe the entity's state with
   respect to transparent bridging.  Interpretation for this group is
   unchanged.

3.2.1.4.  The dot1dStatic Group

   This group contains objects that describe the entity's state with
   respect to destination-address filtering.  Interpretation for this
   group is unchanged.

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4.  Definitions for RSTP-MIB

RSTP-MIB DEFINITIONS ::= BEGIN

-- -------------------------------------------------------------
-- MIB for IEEE 802.1w Rapid Spanning Tree Protocol
-- -------------------------------------------------------------

IMPORTS
    MODULE-IDENTITY, OBJECT-TYPE, Integer32
        FROM SNMPv2-SMI
    TruthValue
        FROM SNMPv2-TC
    MODULE-COMPLIANCE, OBJECT-GROUP
        FROM SNMPv2-CONF
    dot1dBridge, dot1dStp, dot1dStpPortEntry
        FROM BRIDGE-MIB;

rstpMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
    LAST-UPDATED "200403210000Z"
    ORGANIZATION "IETF Bridge MIB Working Group"
    CONTACT-INFO
        "Email: Bridge-mib <at> ietf.org"
    DESCRIPTION
        "The Bridge MIB Extension module for managing devices
         that support the Rapid Spanning Tree Protocol defined
         by IEEE 802.1w."
    REVISION     "200403210000Z"
    DESCRIPTION
         "Draft 4"
    ::= { dot1dBridge 11 }

-- -------------------------------------------------------------
-- Addition to the dot1dStp group
-- -------------------------------------------------------------

dot1dStpVersion OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      INTEGER {
                    stpCompatible(0),
                    rstp(2)
                }
    MAX-ACCESS  read-write
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "The version of Spanning Tree Protocol the bridge is
         currently running.  The value 'stpCompatible(0)'

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         indicates the Spanning Tree Protocol specified in
         IEEE 802.1D and 'rstp(2)' indicates the Rapid Spanning
         Tree Protocol specified in IEEE 802.1w.  New value may
         be defined as future versions of the protocol become
         available."
    REFERENCE
        "IEEE 802.1w clause 14.8.1, 17.12, 17.16.1"
    DEFVAL      { rstp }
    ::= { dot1dStp 16 }

dot1dStpTxHoldCount OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      Integer32 (1..10)
    MAX-ACCESS  read-write
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "The value used by the Port Transmit state machine to limit
         the maximum transmission rate."
    REFERENCE
        "IEEE 802.1w clause 17.16.6"
    DEFVAL      { 3 }
    ::= { dot1dStp 17 }

dot1dStpPathCostDefault OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      INTEGER {
                    stp8021d1998(1),
                    stp8021t2001(2)
                }
    MAX-ACCESS  read-write
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "The version of the Spanning Tree default Path Costs that
         are to be used by this Bridge. A value of 8021d1998(1)
         means the bridge is using the 16-bit default Path Costs from
         IEEE Std. 802.1D-1998. A value of stp8021t2001(2) means
         the bridge is using the 32-bit default Path Costs from IEEE
         Std. 802.1t."
    REFERENCE
        "IEEE 802.1D & 802.1t Table 8-5"
    ::= { dot1dStp 18 }

dot1dStpExtPortTable OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      SEQUENCE OF Dot1dStpExtPortEntry
    MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "A table that contains port-specific Rapid Spanning Tree

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         information."
    ::= { dot1dStp 19 }

dot1dStpExtPortEntry OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      Dot1dStpExtPortEntry
    MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "A list of Rapid Spanning Tree information maintained by
         each port."
    AUGMENTS    { dot1dStpPortEntry }
    ::= { dot1dStpExtPortTable 1 }

Dot1dStpExtPortEntry ::=
    SEQUENCE {
        dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration
            TruthValue,
        dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort
            TruthValue,
        dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort
            TruthValue,
        dot1dStpPortAdminPointToPoint
            INTEGER,
        dot1dStpPortOperPointToPoint
            TruthValue,
        dot1dStpPortAdminPathCost
            Integer32
    }

dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      TruthValue
    MAX-ACCESS  read-write
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "When operating in RSTP (version 2) mode, writing TRUE(1)
         to this object forces this port to transmit RSTP BPDUs.
         Any other operation on this object has no effect and
         it always returns FALSE(2) when read."
    REFERENCE
        "IEEE 802.1w clause 14.8.2.4, 17.18.10, 17.26"
    ::= { dot1dStpExtPortEntry 1 }

dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      TruthValue
    MAX-ACCESS  read-write
    STATUS      current

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    DESCRIPTION
        "The administrative value of the Edge Port parameter. A
         value of TRUE(1) indicates that this port should be
         assumed as an edge-port and a value of FALSE(2) indicates
         that this port should be assumed as a non-edge-port.
         Setting this object will also cause the corresponding
         instance of dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort to change to the
         same value. Note that even when this object's value
         is true, the value of the corresponding instance of
         dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort can be false if a BPDU has
         been received."
    REFERENCE
        "IEEE 802.1t clause 14.8.2, 18.3.3"
    ::= { dot1dStpExtPortEntry 2 }

dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      TruthValue
    MAX-ACCESS  read-only
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "The operational value of the Edge Port parameter. The
         object is initialized to the value of the corresponding
         instance of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort. When the
         corresponding instance of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort is
         set, this object will be changed as well. This object
         will also be changed to FALSE on reception of a BPDU."
    REFERENCE
        "IEEE 802.1t clause 14.8.2, 18.3.4"
    ::= { dot1dStpExtPortEntry 3 }

dot1dStpPortAdminPointToPoint OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      INTEGER {
                    forceTrue(0),
                    forceFalse(1),
                    auto(2)
                }
    MAX-ACCESS  read-write
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "The administrative point-to-point status of the LAN segment
         attached to this port.  A value of forceTrue(0) indicates that
         this port should always be treated as if it is connected to
         a point-to-point link.  A value of forceFalse(1) indicates
         that this port should be treated as having a shared media
         connection.  A value of auto(2) indicates that this port is
         considered to have a point-to-point link if it is an Aggregator

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         and all of its members are aggregatable, or if the MAC entity
         is configured for full duplex operation, either through
         auto-negotiation or by management means."
   REFERENCE
       "IEEE 802.1w clause 6.4.3, 6.5, 14.8.2"
   ::= { dot1dStpExtPortEntry 4 }

dot1dStpPortOperPointToPoint OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      TruthValue
    MAX-ACCESS  read-only
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "The operational point-to-point status of the LAN segment
         attached to this port.  It indicates whether a port is
         considered to have a point-to-point connection or not.
         The value is determined by management or by auto-detection,
         as described in the dot1dStpPortAdminPointToPoint object."
    REFERENCE
        "IEEE 802.1w clause 6.4.3, 6.5, 14.8.2"
    ::= { dot1dStpExtPortEntry 5 }

dot1dStpPortAdminPathCost OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      Integer32 (0..200000000)
    MAX-ACCESS  read-write
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "The administratively assigned value for the contribution
         of this port to the path cost of paths towards the spanning
         tree root.

         Writing a value of '0' assigns the automatically calculated
         default Path Cost value to the port.  If the default Path
         Cost is being used, this object returns '0' when read.

         This complements the object dot1dStpPortPathCost or
         dot1dStpPortPathCost32, which returns the operational value
         of the path cost."
    REFERENCE
        "IEEE 802.1D-1998: Section 8.5.5.3"
    ::= { dot1dStpExtPortEntry 6 }

-- -------------------------------------------------------------
-- rstpMIB - Conformance Information
-- -------------------------------------------------------------

rstpConformance OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { rstpMIB 1 }

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rstpGroups OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { rstpConformance 1 }

rstpCompliances OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { rstpConformance 2 }

-- -------------------------------------------------------------
-- Units of conformance
-- -------------------------------------------------------------

rstpBridgeGroup OBJECT-GROUP
    OBJECTS {
        dot1dStpVersion,
        dot1dStpTxHoldCount
    }
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "Rapid Spanning Tree information for the bridge."
    ::= { rstpGroups 1 }

rstpDefaultPathCostGroup OBJECT-GROUP
    OBJECTS {
        dot1dStpPathCostDefault
    }
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "Default Spanning Tree path cost information."
    ::= { rstpGroups 2 }

rstpPortGroup OBJECT-GROUP
    OBJECTS {
        dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration,
        dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort,
        dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort,
        dot1dStpPortAdminPointToPoint,
        dot1dStpPortOperPointToPoint,
        dot1dStpPortAdminPathCost
    }
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "Rapid Spanning Tree information for individual ports."
    ::= { rstpGroups 3 }

-- -------------------------------------------------------------
-- Compliance statements
-- -------------------------------------------------------------

rstpCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE

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    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "The compliance statement for device support of bridging
         services."

    MODULE
        MANDATORY-GROUPS {
            rstpBridgeGroup,
            rstpPortGroup
        }

        GROUP rstpDefaultPathCostGroup
            DESCRIPTION
                "Support for this group is mandatory only if
                 both 16-bit and 32-bit Path Costs are supported."
    ::= { rstpCompliances 1 }

END

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5.  Acknowledgments

   This document was produced on behalf of the Bridge MIB Working Group
   in the Operations and Management area of the Internet Engineering
   Task Force.

   The authors wish to thank the members of the Bridge MIB Working
   Group, especially Alex Ruzin, for their comments and suggestions
   which improved this effort.

6.  Security Considerations

   There are a number of management objects defined in this MIB that
   have a MAX-ACCESS clause of read-write and/or read-create.  Such
   objects may be considered sensitive or vulnerable in some network
   environments.  The support for SET operations in a non-secure
   environment without proper protection can have a negative effect on
   network operations.

   SNMPv1 by itself is not a secure environment.  Even if the network
   itself is secure (for example by using IPSec), even then, there is no
   control as to who on the secure network is allowed to access and
   GET/SET (read/change/create/delete) the objects in this MIB.

   It is recommended that the implementers consider the security
   features as provided by the SNMPv3 framework.  Specifically, the use
   of the User-based Security Model [USM] and the View-based Access
   Control Model [VACM] is recommended.

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7.  Normative References

[RFC2578]    McCloghrie, K., Perkins, D., Schoenwaelder, J., Case, J.,
             Rose, M., and S. Waldbusser, "Structure of Management
             Information Version 2 (SMIv2)", STD 58, RFC 2578, April
             1999.

[RFC2579]    McCloghrie, K., Perkins, D., Schoenwaelder, J., Case, J.,
             Rose, M., and S. Waldbusser, "Textual Conventions for
             SMIv2", STD 58, RFC 2579, April 1999.

[RFC2580]    McCloghrie, K., Perkins, D., Schoenwaelder, J., Case, J.,
             Rose, M., and S. Waldbusser, "Conformance Statements for
             SMIv2", STD 58, RFC 2580, April 1999.

[RFC2674]    Bell, E., Smith, A., Langille, P., Rijhsinghani, A. and
             McCloghrie, "Definitions of Managed Objects for Bridges
             with Traffic Classes, Multicast Filtering and Virtual LAN
             Extensions", RFC 2674, August 1999.

[802.1D]     "Information technology - Telecommunications and
             information exchange between systems - Local and
             metropolitan area networks - Common specifications - Part
             3: Media Access Control (MAC) Bridges:  Revision.  This is
             a revision of ISO/IEC 10038: 1993, 802.1j-1992 and 802.6k-
             1992.  It incorporates P802.11c, P802.1p and P802.12e."
             ISO/IEC 15802-3: 1998.

[RFC1493]  Decker, E., Langille, P., Rijsinghani, A. and K.  McCloghrie,
             "Definitions of Managed Objects for Bridges", RFC 1493,
             July 1993.

[802.1t]     IEEE 802.1t-2001, "(Amendment to IEEE Standard 802.1D) IEEE
             Standard for Information technology - Telecommunications
             and information exchange between systems - Local and
             metropolitan area networks - Common specifications - Part
             3: Media Access Control (MAC) Bridges: Technical and
             Editorial Corrections".

[802.1w]     IEEE 802.1w-2001, "(Amendment to IEEE Standard 802.1D) IEEE
             Standard for Information technology--Telecommunications and
             information exchange between systems--Local and
             metropolitan area networks--Common Specifications--Part 3:
             Media Access Control (MAC) Bridges: Rapid Reconfiguation".

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8.  Informative References

[RFC3410]    Case, J., Mundy, R., Partain, D. and B. Stewart,
             "Introduction and Applicability Statements for Internet-
             Standard Management Framework", RFC 3410, December 2002.

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9.  Authors' Addresses

   Les Bell
   3Com Europe Limited
   eCom Centre, Boundary Way
   Hemel Hempstead
   Herts.  HP2 7YU
   UK

   Phone:  +44 1442 438025
   Email:  Les_Bell <at> 3Com.com

   Vivian Ngai
   Enterasys Networks
   2691 South Decker Lake Lane
   Salt Lake City, UT 84119
   USA

   Phone: +1 801 556 5652
   Email: vivian_ngai <at> acm.org

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Les Bell | 10 Sep 2004 12:34
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Re: updated rstp MIB draft


In section 3.1, the reference to [BRIDGE-MIB] should be replaced with [RFC1493].

Les...

"David Levi" <dlevi <at> nortelnetworks.com> <at> ietf.org on 07/09/2004 14:54:17

Sent by:  bridge-mib-bounces <at> ietf.org

To:   Bridge-mib <at> ietf.org
cc:
Subject:  [Bridge-mib] updated rstp MIB draft

Hi All,

Here's an updated version of the RSTP-MIB ID.  I've made the following
changes:

- updated all the boilerplate text and references

- updated text about 32-bit default path costs to say that you should
  use dot1dStpPortPathCost32 instead of dot1dStpPortPathCost (bottom
  of page 6).  Note that this depends on publication of the SMIv2
  version of the BRIDGE-MIB (and when that gets published, all the
  references to RFC1493 need to be updated)

- Clarified DESCRIPTIONs of dot1dStpPathCostDefault,
dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort,
  and dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort

I'll submit this to be published at the end of the week.

-Dave

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Les Bell | 13 Sep 2004 10:02
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Re: RSTP-MIB extension suggestion


I think the 'Port Role' fits in the category of diagnostic information that is
potentially useful for developers while debugging their implementations.  I do
not object to adding a MIB item for it, but I do not think it is essential.

A change that was introduced in 802.1D-2004 (clause 17.3.3) that does require a
new MIB item is the 'autoEdgePort' parameter.  This extends the adminEdgePort
functionality to allow automatic detection of an Edge Port, with a short delay
before it enters the Forwarding state.  802.1D-2004 chose to add this as an
optional, seperately managed object so as not to make implementations that
supported the existing adminEdgePort non-conformant.

It may be worth completing the RSTP MIB as it is currently, and waiting for IEEE
802.1 to pick up any new work to add these MIB objects.  Any opinons?

Les...

Johannes Herlitz <herlitz <at> rhrk.uni-kl.de> on 11/09/2004 19:09:24

Sent by:  Johannes Herlitz <herlitz <at> rhrk.uni-kl.de>

To:   Les Bell/GB/3Com, vivian_ngai <at> acm.org
cc:
Subject:  RSTP-MIB extension suggestion

Hi,

I've been working on a master thesis which deals a lot with the spanning
tree protocol. Since

http://ietfreport.isoc.org/ids/draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt

is a draft and later on should be a request for comments, I hereby
suggest an extension: Since RSTP decouples the role of a port from its
state (see table 17-1 of IEEE 802.1w, chapter 17.5, p.30) the role of a
port should be accessible via the RSTP MIB, too. The port role could be
added to the dot1dStpExtPortTable using this OID/MIB:

dot1dStpPortRole (.1.3.6.1.2.1.17.2.19.1.7)

which should be an enum holding the values "Unknown (0)", "Alternate
(1)", "Backup (2)", "Root (3)", "Designated (4)" and "Disabled (5)".
Alternatively, it also could be a less detailed enum just
differentiating between the port role as transmitted in the flags field
of a RST BPDU (see chapter 9.2.9. of IEEE 802.1w, p.12): "Unknown (0)",
"Alternate or Backup (1)", "Root (2)", "Designated (3)"
I'd prefer the first, more detailed enum.

Whats your opinion about this extension?
David B Harrington | 13 Sep 2004 15:03
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RE: Re: RSTP-MIB extension suggestion

Hi Johannes and Les,

Since neither object was added to the mib module during the initial
development of the module, and unless there is significant outcry over
their importance, I will assume it was, and continues to be, the
consensus of the WG that these do not need to be in the current
document. 

Justification:

I've taken the responsibility for driving the documents through the
process, and it has been difficult to get them finalized. I have real
hesitation about adding any new work without finalizing the existing
work first. 

Since Les has been involved in the design of these mib modules and in
the IEEE discussions longer than I have, I accept his analysis that
autoedgeport is intended to be more diagnostic than about operational
state. Information designed for diagnostic/debug purposes typically
doesn't belong in a standards-track mib module; mib modules should
expose information about operational state in real-world deployments.
Proprietary mib modules can be used to provide diagnostic/debug
information for testing an implementation. 

Since autoedgeport is optional, I accept that it isn't critical to
support it in this release of the mib module, and let the IEEE deal
with it. IEEE 802.1 is continuing to add new features, and since the
bridgemib WG designs mib modules as a follow-on activity, we have a
real problem with being in sync with the emerging feature set. Our
intention is to transition the responsibility for the mib module
development to the 802.1 WG where it should be easier to keep the
feature set and the mib module in sync.

David Harrington
dbharrington <at> comcast.net
Bridge-mib acting co-chair

-----Original Message-----
From: bridge-mib-bounces <at> ietf.org [mailto:bridge-mib-bounces <at> ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Les Bell
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:02 AM
To: Johannes Herlitz
Cc: vivian_ngai <at> acm.org; bridge-mib <at> ietf.org
Subject: [Bridge-mib] Re: RSTP-MIB extension suggestion

I think the 'Port Role' fits in the category of diagnostic information
that is potentially useful for developers while debugging their
implementations.  I do not object to adding a MIB item for it, but I
do not think it is essential.

A change that was introduced in 802.1D-2004 (clause 17.3.3) that does
require a new MIB item is the 'autoEdgePort' parameter.  This extends
the adminEdgePort functionality to allow automatic detection of an
Edge Port, with a short delay before it enters the Forwarding state.
802.1D-2004 chose to add this as an optional, seperately managed
object so as not to make implementations that supported the existing
adminEdgePort non-conformant.

It may be worth completing the RSTP MIB as it is currently, and
waiting for IEEE
802.1 to pick up any new work to add these MIB objects.  Any opinons?

Les...

Johannes Herlitz <herlitz <at> rhrk.uni-kl.de> on 11/09/2004 19:09:24

Sent by:  Johannes Herlitz <herlitz <at> rhrk.uni-kl.de>

To:   Les Bell/GB/3Com, vivian_ngai <at> acm.org
cc:
Subject:  RSTP-MIB extension suggestion

Hi,

I've been working on a master thesis which deals a lot with the
spanning tree protocol. Since

http://ietfreport.isoc.org/ids/draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt

is a draft and later on should be a request for comments, I hereby
suggest an extension: Since RSTP decouples the role of a port from its
state (see table 17-1 of IEEE 802.1w, chapter 17.5, p.30) the role of
a port should be accessible via the RSTP MIB, too. The port role could
be added to the dot1dStpExtPortTable using this OID/MIB:

dot1dStpPortRole (.1.3.6.1.2.1.17.2.19.1.7)

which should be an enum holding the values "Unknown (0)", "Alternate
(1)", "Backup (2)", "Root (3)", "Designated (4)" and "Disabled (5)".
Alternatively, it also could be a less detailed enum just
differentiating between the port role as transmitted in the flags
field of a RST BPDU (see chapter 9.2.9. of IEEE 802.1w, p.12):
"Unknown (0)", "Alternate or Backup (1)", "Root (2)", "Designated (3)"
I'd prefer the first, more detailed enum.

Whats your opinion about this extension?

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RE: Re: RSTP-MIB extension suggestion


As far as I understand Les, he doesn't think, that
'autoEdgePort' parameter  "is intended to be more diagnostic
than about operational state" - this parameter is really important
and essential one, if a bridge supports this feature.

By "diagnostic" parameter Les meant 'Port Role'. IMHO this
parameter, while it is not indispensable for unit management,
is *very* important for managers as a tool to understand
reasons of ports states transitions.

In addition I'd like to raise a question about traps.
IMO, topologyChange trap has to have parameters:
dot1dStpPort, dot1dStpPortState and, may be,
dot1dStpPortRole.
It would be fine for managers to have also a new
trap, let's say, rootPortChange: any non-root Bridge would send
it, when it selects a new RootPort.

With great respect, Alex

> Hi Johannes and Les,
> 
> Since neither object was added to the mib module during the initial
> development of the module, and unless there is significant outcry over
> their importance, I will assume it was, and continues to be, the
> consensus of the WG that these do not need to be in the current
> document. 
> 
> Justification:
> 
> I've taken the responsibility for driving the documents through the
> process, and it has been difficult to get them finalized. I have real
> hesitation about adding any new work without finalizing the existing
> work first. 
> 
> Since Les has been involved in the design of these mib modules and in
> the IEEE discussions longer than I have, I accept his analysis that
> autoedgeport is intended to be more diagnostic than about operational
> state. Information designed for diagnostic/debug purposes typically
> doesn't belong in a standards-track mib module; mib modules should
> expose information about operational state in real-world deployments.
> Proprietary mib modules can be used to provide diagnostic/debug
> information for testing an implementation. 
> 
> Since autoedgeport is optional, I accept that it isn't critical to
> support it in this release of the mib module, and let the IEEE deal
> with it. IEEE 802.1 is continuing to add new features, and since the
> bridgemib WG designs mib modules as a follow-on activity, we have a
> real problem with being in sync with the emerging feature set. Our
> intention is to transition the responsibility for the mib module
> development to the 802.1 WG where it should be easier to keep the
> feature set and the mib module in sync.
> 
> 
> David Harrington
> dbharrington <at> comcast.net
> Bridge-mib acting co-chair
>  
> Les Bell wrote:
>> I think the 'Port Role' fits in the category of diagnostic information
>> that is potentially useful for developers while debugging their
>> implementations.  I do not object to adding a MIB item for it, but I
>> do not think it is essential.
>> 
>> A change that was introduced in 802.1D-2004 (clause 17.3.3) that does
>> require a new MIB item is the 'autoEdgePort' parameter.  This extends
>> the adminEdgePort functionality to allow automatic detection of an
>> Edge Port, with a short delay before it enters the Forwarding state.
>> 802.1D-2004 chose to add this as an optional, seperately managed
>> object so as not to make implementations that supported the existing
>> adminEdgePort non-conformant.
>> 
>> It may be worth completing the RSTP MIB as it is currently, and
>> waiting for IEEE
>> 802.1 to pick up any new work to add these MIB objects.  Any opinons?
>> 
>> Les...
>> 
>> Johannes Herlitz on 11/09/2004 19:09:24 wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've been working on a master thesis which deals a lot with the
>>> spanning tree protocol. Since
>>> 
>>> http://ietfreport.isoc.org/ids/draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt
>>> 
>>> is a draft and later on should be a request for comments, I hereby
>>> suggest an extension: Since RSTP decouples the role of a port from its
>>> state (see table 17-1 of IEEE 802.1w, chapter 17.5, p.30) the role of
>>> a port should be accessible via the RSTP MIB, too. The port role could
>>> be added to the dot1dStpExtPortTable using this OID/MIB:
>>> 
>>> dot1dStpPortRole (.1.3.6.1.2.1.17.2.19.1.7)
>>> 
>>> which should be an enum holding the values "Unknown (0)", "Alternate
>>> (1)", "Backup (2)", "Root (3)", "Designated (4)" and "Disabled (5)".
>>> Alternatively, it also could be a less detailed enum just
>>> differentiating between the port role as transmitted in the flags
>>> field of a RST BPDU (see chapter 9.2.9. of IEEE 802.1w, p.12):
>>> "Unknown (0)", "Alternate or Backup (1)", "Root (2)", "Designated (3)"
>>> I'd prefer the first, more detailed enum.
>>> 
>>> Whats your opinion about this extension?
>>> 
David B Harrington | 20 Sep 2004 18:06
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Autoedgeport and traps

Hi,

My job as acting chair is to see to it that existing documents gets
finalized or dropped, and to help transition the responsibility for
all future bridge mib related work to the IEEE.

The discussion of autoEdgePort and trap parameters seems to be feature
creep for the current documents. The IEEE can address these additional
features in a future mib module produced within the IEEE. Discussion
of these additional mib objects should be taken to the IEEE 802.1
mailing list (see http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/1/email-pages/).

Therefore, as acting chair, I have asked the editors to only complete
the documents with the current feature sets and get them published for
submission to the IESG, so we can complete the process of
transitioning responsibility to the IEEE. 

David Harrington
dbharrington <at> comcast.net
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Wijnen, Bert (Bert | 21 Sep 2004 12:39
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New WG chairs

BridgeMibbers (do you like that term?)

Les Bell has indicated to me (a long time ago already) that his
current job duties do not allow him to do justice to the job
of being a WG chair.

David Harrington and Dan Romascanu have agreed to co-chair
the WG from now on (Dave basically acted as chair already) and
the goal is to try and finish the existing work items. After that
further MIB work in this space will most probably be done in IEEE
with review by MIB doctors from IETF.

Let me take this opportunity to thank Les for his work in the past.
He will not dissappear, we have seen that he is contributing to the
discussions on this mailing list and he has promised to continue to do so.
THANKS Les.

Also thanks to Dave and Dan for volunteering to pick up the job of
leading this WG to conclusion.

Let's go for it!

You will see the changes to the WG charter page happen over the next 
few days (or so I hope/ex[pect).

Bert
co-Ad for the IETF OPS Area
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I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-05.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Bridge MIB Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Definitions of Managed Objects for Bridges with 
			  Rapid Spanning Tree Protocol
	Author(s)	: E. Bell, V. Ngai
	Filename	: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-05.txt
	Pages		: 19
	Date		: 2004-9-21
	
This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
for use with network management protocols in TCP/IP based internets.
In particular, it defines a MIB module for managing the Rapid
Spanning Tree capability defined by the IEEE P802.1t [802.1t] and
P802.1w [802.1w] amendments to IEEE Std 802.1D-1998 for bridging
between Local Area Network (LAN) segments.
Provisions are made for support of transparent bridging.  Provisions
are also made so that these objects apply to bridges connected by
subnetworks other than LAN segments.  This memo also includes a MIB
module in a manner that is compliant to SMIv2 [RFC2578].

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WG last call:draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-05.txt

Hi,

This starts the WG last call for this document. The last call will end
October 5th.
Please review this document to ensure the technical quality and
clarity of the specification are adequate.
Please comment, even if the comment is "I have reviewed this document
and it appears adequate."
We intend to submit this document for approval as a Proposed Standard.

This document has dependencies on bridgemib-smiv2; that document will
be forthcoming soon.

Thanks,
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line 
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> This draft is a work item of the Bridge MIB Working Group of the
IETF.
> 
> 	Title		: Definitions of Managed Objects for 
> Bridges with 
> 			  Rapid Spanning Tree Protocol
> 	Author(s)	: E. Bell, V. Ngai
> 	Filename	: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-05.txt
> 	Pages		: 19
> 	Date		: 2004-9-21
> 	
> This memo defines a portion of the Management Information 
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> TCP/IP based internets.
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> and P802.1w [802.1w] amendments to IEEE Std 802.1D-1998 for 
> bridging between Local Area Network (LAN) segments.
> Provisions are made for support of transparent bridging.  
> Provisions are also made so that these objects apply to 
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> compliant to SMIv2 [RFC2578].
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Re: WG last call:draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-05.txt

On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 04:56:20PM -0400, David B Harrington wrote:

> This starts the WG last call for this document. The last call will end
> October 5th.

[...]

> This document has dependencies on bridgemib-smiv2; that document will
> be forthcoming soon.

I had a quick look and observed that this document refers in several
places to [RFC1493] while in reality it refers to [RFC1493bis]. The
little interesting detail here is that the BRIDGE-MIB revision aka
RFC1493bis adds a new object dot1dStpPortPathCost32 (without saying 
so clearly - this is almost hidden, only the compliance statements 
give some clue).

So what I think needs to be done is to spell out clearly in the
RSTP-MIB document that this in fact depends on the BRIDGE-MIB 
revision. Furthermore, in the BRIDGE-MIB revision aka RFC1493bis, 
the section titled "Changes from RFC 1493" should be rewritten to 
list the semantic changes relative to RFC 1493, removing the 
list of changes between the various IDs (there are things listed 
that were introduced and later removed, which is not important 
to keep around in the final version).

Despite this, my quick read of the RSTP-MIB ID under last call did 
not find anything I worry about.

/js

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