Marius Georgescu | 2 Jul 12:37 2015
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I-D Update

Dear BMWG Members,

 

I hope my e-mail finds you well. Please find below a link to the latest update of the draft I’ve been working on:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-georgescu-bmwg-ipv6-tran-tech-benchmarking-01

 

The biggest change and probably the most debatable is the addition of the Delay variation (jitter) subsection under Benchmarking tests (Section 6.3), following the comments received during the IETF92 meeting.  I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the people that supported and provided feedback for this draft so far and to ask for more J.

 

Best regards,

Marius

 

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MORTON, ALFRED C (AL | 25 Jun 18:23 2015
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FW: IRTF & ISOC Workshop on Research and Applications of Internet Measurements (RAIM) in Cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM

BMWG,

This seems like an outstanding opportunity to
"show-up early and get some work done" as many 
already do (e.g., Hackathon(s)). 

Please consider participating! 
(note that this event is prior to IETF-94 -- Yokohama)

Al
bmwg co-chair

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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:14 PM
To: wgchairs <at> ietf.org
Subject: Fwd: IRTF & ISOC Workshop on Research and Applications of Internet Measurements (RAIM) in
Cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM

If you chair a WG that is related to benchmarking or measurements, I'd like to ask that you announce the
upcoming workshop before Yokohama to your participants.

Thanks,
Lars

PS: You are of course free to announce or share this otherwise as you see fit.

Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "Eggert, Lars" <lars <at> netapp.com>
> Subject: [IRTF-Announce] IRTF & ISOC Workshop on Research and Applications of Internet Measurements
(RAIM) in Cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM
> Date: June 24, 2015 at 14:41:15 PDT
> To: "irtf-announce <at> irtf.org" <irtf-announce <at> irtf.org>, "irtf-discuss <at> irtf.org" <irtf-discuss <at> irtf.org>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> to increase collaboration between industry and academia in the field of networking, the Internet
Research Task Force (IRTF) and the Internet Society (ISOC) in cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM are
organizing a workshop on Research and Applications of Internet Measurements (RAIM), scheduled for the
Saturday in between the 2015 ACM SIGCOMM Internet Measurement Conference (IMC) in Tokyo and the 94th
Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) meeting in Yokohama.
> 
> Submission deadline:	Friday, August 7, 2015
> Notifications:		Friday, August 28, 2015
> Workshop date:		Saturday, October 31, 2015
> 
> Details and submission instructions at https://irtf.org/raim-2015
> 
> Lars

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Sarah Banks | 22 Jun 21:25 2015
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IETF93 BMWG Session Scheduled and Call for Presentations

Hello,
	A schedule/agenda has been set for IETF 93, and currently, BMWG is set to meet Thursday afternoon, from
1-3pm. To that end, if you have something you'd like to present, an update, new work proposals, etc. please
drop Al and I a note. For those of you updating drafts, note, July 6th is the cut off date for new submissions.
Please plan to have your work in by then :)

Thanks
Sarah & Al
internet-drafts | 3 Jun 00:49 2015
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I-D Action: draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-05.txt


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Benchmarking Methodology Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Traffic Management Benchmarking
        Authors         : Barry Constantine
                          Ram Krishnan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-05.txt
	Pages           : 42
	Date            : 2015-06-02

Abstract:
   This framework describes a practical methodology for benchmarking the
   traffic management capabilities of networking devices (i.e. policing,
   shaping, etc.). The goal is to provide a repeatable test method that
   objectively compares performance of the device's traffic management
   capabilities and to specify the means to benchmark traffic management
   with representative application traffic.

The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-05

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-05

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until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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MORTON, ALFRED C (AL | 2 Jun 13:53 2015
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FW: Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth-01

Authors have cleared all outstanding issues raised in shepherd's review.

next step...

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Subject: Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth-01

Al Morton has requested publication of draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth-01 as Informational on behalf of the
BMWG working group.

Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth/
internet-drafts | 31 May 13:16 2015
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I-D Action: draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth-01.txt


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Benchmarking Methodology Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : ISSU Benchmarking Methodology
        Authors         : Sarah Banks
                          Fernando Calabria
                          Gery Czirjak
                          Ramdas Machat
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth-01.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2015-05-31

Abstract:
   Modern forwarding devices attempt to minimize any control and data
   plane disruptions while performing planned software changes, by
   implementing a technique commonly known as In Service Software
   Upgrade (ISSU) This document specifies a set of common methodologies
   and procedures designed to characterize the overall behavior of a
   Device Under Test (DUT), subject to an ISSU event.

The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth-01

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bmwg-issu-meth-01

Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
Kathleen Moriarty | 27 May 20:55 2015
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Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-04: (with COMMENT)

Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-04: No Objection

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COMMENT:
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Thanks for your work on this draft.  I just have one question that was
raised in the SecDir review:

Was there any thought to how the tcpinc efforts might affect the ability
to gather measurements?
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg05726.html

It doesn't have an impact on this draft yet, but could in the future.
Benoit Claise | 26 May 19:27 2015
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Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-04: (with COMMENT)

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draft-ietf-bmwg-traffic-management-04: No Objection

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COMMENT:
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Section 6.2.1 Queue/Scheduler Individual Tests Overview
I understand that is not finished work, but do we need to say a few words
about codel and pie
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-aqm-pie/ and
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-aqm-codel/

- More of a transport AD question:
"To this end, the stateful tests will use TCP test patterns to emulate
applications."
Do we need to emulate any applications on SCTP test patterns?
Asking the transport ADs about which deployed protocols use SCTP, their
answer was: WebRTC, SS7 signalling in 3gpp mobile networks.

Editorial:

- Section 1:

   Specifically, this framework defines the methods to characterize
   the capacity of the following traffic management features in network
   devices; classification, policing, queuing / scheduling, and
   traffic shaping.

Section 1.2

   This testing framework describes the tests and metrics for each of
   the following traffic management functions:
   - Policing
   - Queuing / Scheduling
   - Shaping

I would add classification to that list.

-  Section 1.2
    "Note the NDE SHOULD be used in "full pipe" delay mode."

I don't know what "full pipe" delay mode is

- OLD:
It is not within scope of this of this framework to specify
NEW:
It is not within scope of this framework to specify

- General observation. This is one of these documents where too many
acronyms make it difficult to read (and I have some QoS background)
Ex: "The tests will verify that the network device can handle the CIR
with CBS and the EIR with EBS
Note: I don't expect any action on this remark

- Section 6:

   Each test SHOULD compare the network device's internal statistics
   (available via command line management interface, SNMP, etc.) to the
   measured metrics defined in section 4. 

FYI. Most MIB interface/QoS counters are not updated real-time in
routers. 10 sec for interface stats is common.
So no real-time monitoring is possible.

- two instances of tester*: not sure what they mean
    configure the tester* to generate a profile of emulated of an
application traffic mixture
MORTON, ALFRED C (AL | 7 May 17:41 2015
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FW: RFC 6982: Improving Awareness of Running Code: The Implementation Status Section

BMWG, on "Implementation Status"
 
This is a question we ask as part of document shepherding,
so you can help everyone by including a brief section in future
drafts.  See below.
 
thanks,
Al
bmwg co-chair
 
From: WGChairs [wgchairs-bounces <at> ietf.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Claise [bclaise <at> cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 11:38 AM
To: WG Chairs
Subject: RFC 6982: Improving Awareness of Running Code: The Implementation Status Section

Dear WG chairs,

During the IESG retreat this week, we discussed running code. We would like to bring your attention to this RFC: 6982, "Improving Awareness of Running Code: The Implementation Status Section" (experimental).
You can review section 4 for an explanation of the benefits.
Interestingly, out of the 1918 current drafts, only 32 use that "Implementation Status" section.

Please advertise this capability within your WGs.

If you want to see examples, the 32 drafts are:
draft-barre-mptcp-tfo-01.txt: 
draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-02.txt:  
draft-ietf-ccamp-flexible-grid-ospf-ext-01.txt: 
draft-ietf-ccamp-flexible-grid-rsvp-te-ext-02.txt:  
draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-lambda-label-03.txt: 
draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-07.txt: 
draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query-02.txt:  
draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-02.txt:  
draft-ietf-dnssd-hybrid-00.txt:  
draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-05.txt:  
draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd-01.txt:  
draft-ietf-isis-mrt-00.txt:  
draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-03.txt:  
draft-ietf-ospf-mrt-00.txt:  
draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-02.txt:  
draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp-04.txt:  
draft-ietf-rmcat-nada-00.txt: 
draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm-03.txt:  
draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-05.txt:  
draft-ietf-tram-stun-origin-05.txt: 
draft-kong-eppext-bundling-registration-01.txt:  
draft-kouvelas-lisp-rloc-membership-01.txt: 
draft-li-isis-mrt-02.txt:  
draft-martinsen-tram-discuss-02.txt:  
draft-mrw-homenet-rtg-comparison-02.txt:  
draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-08.txt:  
draft-nottingham-safe-hint-06.txt: 
draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket-08.txt: 
draft-petithuguenin-tram-stun-pmtud-00.txt:            
draft-templin-aerolink-52.txt: 
draft-yi-manet-reactive-jitter-04.txt:  
draft-zhu-rmcat-nada-06.txt: 
Regards, Benoit



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Ram Krishnan | 17 Apr 22:16 2015
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Re: FW: WG ADOPTION: draft-morton-bmwg-virtual-net


​Support this draft. Great work and important topic.​
 

Thanks,
​Ramki​
 

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From: bmwgOn Behalf OfBarry Constantine
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 1:09:08 PM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
To: Sarah Banks; bmwg <at> ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bmwg] WG ADOPTION: draft-morton-bmwg-virtual-net

Hi Sarah,

I definitely support this work and submitted comments to the list, shortly after IETF 92.

Thank you,
Barry Constantine

JDSU Network and Service Enablement
Principal Member Technical Staff
301-325-7069


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Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 3:21 PM
To: bmwg <at> ietf.org
Subject: [bmwg] WG ADOPTION: draft-morton-bmwg-virtual-net

Hello BMWG,
        Per the minutes of IETF 92, I see there is an action for myself, and I'm closing that loop now. :)
        During the meeting in Dallas, there was support for this draft within the room; I'd like to ask the list now to consider adopting Al's virtual net draft as a WG item. Please, read the draft, and submit your comments and thoughts to the list, here.

Regards,
Sarah

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Sarah Banks | 16 Apr 21:20 2015
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WG ADOPTION: draft-morton-bmwg-virtual-net

Hello BMWG,
	Per the minutes of IETF 92, I see there is an action for myself, and I'm closing that loop now. :)
	During the meeting in Dallas, there was support for this draft within the room; I'd like to ask the list now
to consider adopting Al's virtual net draft as a WG item. Please, read the draft, and submit your comments
and thoughts to the list, here.

Regards,
Sarah

Gmane