Chris Carpenter | 1 Jul 2010 07:25
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Lawful/Chaotic Change

Well, I'd be surprised if this hasn't been suggested before, but I 
thought I might mention it anyways.

First off, i've been playing wesnoth for quite a while, off and on, and 
keep wanting to get involved in it's development, but something always 
comes up. I've submitted a couple tiny patches, nothing major. In any 
case, here's the idea:

Night/day to affect sight. Now, i'm not sure how badly this would affect 
balance... It just seems to "make sense" and I thought it'd be 
interesting if it was played around with. One idea would be to increase 
sight by one tile during the unit's favorable time during the day/night 
cycle. The other idea would be to decrease it by one tile during the 
opposite time of the cycle.

I think the first would be best, because then you could -always- at 
least see as far as you can move.

In any case, just wanted to throw the idea out there.
Chris Carpenter
Alink | 1 Jul 2010 14:02
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Re: Lawful/Chaotic Change

- This seems hard to combine with special ToD areas (like caves, but others are possible). One weird case will be the "illuminates" ability which will causes the move of 1 unit to affect the vision of other units (including enemies).

- Vision uses MP and MP terrain cost. Removing/adding 1MP or 1 tile from vision is different, and will have different consequences. The first is simpler but will sometimes have no impact(on terrain costing 2MP), and the later will break even more the link with movement.

- Adding 1 tile can be weird, since it will ignore terrain MP cost. Vision is already reachable zone + 1 tile, so 1 more tile will allow units to see through impassable walls. I suppose you can add special rule for impassable terrain and how vision propagates, but that's one more "special thing" compared to the old simpler rules. That often bites at some point.

- As you probably guessed, reducing vision without changing movement introduces new UI problems. For example, with "delay shroud update", where you can be surprised by moving next to a enemy in fog, or even move into fog/shroud if you remove more than 1 tile.

BTW, using forum is better for early stages of an idea. Forum also allows to check if this was suggested before, but there is a rule about FPI there ;-)

Alink

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Chris Carpenter <mordocai <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I'd be surprised if this hasn't been suggested before, but I
thought I might mention it anyways.

First off, i've been playing wesnoth for quite a while, off and on, and
keep wanting to get involved in it's development, but something always
comes up. I've submitted a couple tiny patches, nothing major. In any
case, here's the idea:

Night/day to affect sight. Now, i'm not sure how badly this would affect
balance... It just seems to "make sense" and I thought it'd be
interesting if it was played around with. One idea would be to increase
sight by one tile during the unit's favorable time during the day/night
cycle. The other idea would be to decrease it by one tile during the
opposite time of the cycle.

I think the first would be best, because then you could -always- at
least see as far as you can move.

In any case, just wanted to throw the idea out there.
Chris Carpenter

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John W Bjerk | 5 Jul 2010 21:58
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Re: Testing and advice needed - two whiteboard interface alternatives

With my SVN/compiling skills, i'm really only able to test the most recent version.

My testing has been all on prototype B.

My first response on seeing, the ghost left behind in the "real" position was backwards, and a little confusing.  Further testing didn't dispel this.  Intuitive the the real, actual, current location of a unit is expected be solid, and the potential future location should be ghosted.



On Jun 22, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Gabriel Morin wrote:

Secondary questions:
  1. What works better, almost-transparent arrows that highlight on mouseover like in prototype B, or clearly visible arrows (that also highlight on mouseover) as in prototype A? Which kind of arrow is best for which prototype's approach?
I'm not sure that highlighting arrows on mouse-over *of the arrows* is the right approach.  In a moderately close formation, there's the potential of multiple arrows per hex, which means that mousing over lots of hexes could highlight multiple arrow strands.  Mousing over the current position of the unit (and possible the future position) would make it much easier to avoid confusing accidental highlighting of too many arrow lines.

But that's probably not what you were asking.  Semi-transparent arrows that solidify under certain conditions are good since it helps to distinguish the active from other arrows.

Incidentally, i think the arrows (at least when selected) should be animated to show the direction of movement.  This should help differentiate the multiple arrows in the same hex.  Though obviously this isn't of immediate importance.


2 Is it necessary to allow defining several moves for the same unit? Such as planning "move unit X, then move unit Y, then move unit X again"? (It's essential if we want to allow planning in advance the moves of 2 units that want to swap places.)

I wouldn't consider this "necessary" because at least in some situations, i think any UI that tried to show exactly what was going on would be an incomprehensible mess.  I'd tag this "a nice idea subject to it being able to do done well."


4 Once you plan a move for some unit W, you can schedule another unit Z to take its place. This possibility is pretty essential for manoeuvering in tight situations (example, when two units do the three moves necessary to swap places). But this creates an overlap between W's src unit and Z's dst unit. How to deal with that visually, and what should be the mouseover behavior?

I would place them side by side in a hex, i.e. one moved to the right, the other moved to the left.  Yeah, i realize this only really works for a limited number of moves per hex, but i can't think of a way to show more moves that is comprehensible.


-jwb / eleazar
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Gabriel Morin | 5 Jul 2010 23:33
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Re: Testing and advice needed - two whiteboard interface alternatives

We finally elected to go for prototype A, both for technical and UI quality reasons.

For those who can't compile, here's a screencast of the latest interface:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/t2umtgwmqky/out-2.ogv

I use hotkeys to delete and execute moves, so you have to be attentive to what's going on.
This also shows how action execution depends on context: if you're hovering over a unit, it's action gets executed; otherwise, the action that was defined first overall gets executed.

gabba

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Wesnoth Apple App Store GPL violation?

Hi all,

   A friend showed me Wesnoth on the iPad.  That's great, except that it came
via the Apple App Store.  I didn't think that was allowed under the GPL?

	http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance

   I am uncomfortable with Apple's restrictions on the devices after they sell
them; I don't think we should be turning a blind eye to them.

Thoughts?
Rusty.
David White | 10 Jul 2010 08:06
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Re: Wesnoth Apple App Store GPL violation?

On 07/09/2010 09:55 PM, Rusty Russell wrote:

Hi all,

A friend showed me Wesnoth on the iPad. That's great, except that it came
via the Apple App Store. I didn't think that was allowed under the GPL?
Hi Rusty,

Unlike the GNU Go release on the app store, which was not endorsed by the maintainers of GNU Go, Wesnoth on the app store has been developed with the endorsement of myself and the active Wesnoth development community.

We believed at the time that development began -- and still believe today -- that we are acting within the GPL given the following factors:

 - The full source code is released and available.
 - It is entirely permissible for anyone to compile the game from source and distribute it using their own distribution mechanism to people with an iPhone device. There may be some barriers to distribution but these barriers are entirely technical due to the "walled garden" nature of the iPhone.

It should be noted that release of Wesnoth on the app store has had some significant benefits both for the Wesnoth community and for FLOSS gaming as a whole:

 - Wesnoth has obtained significant revenue streams which have been used to fund the development of art and other content in areas in which Wesnoth needs improvement to compete with commercial offerings.
 - FLOSS gaming has been exposed to a significant audience which might be otherwise unaware of it.
 - Other FLOSS games are now also interested in distribution on the same platorm.

Regards,

David
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