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Chris Kovac | 6 Dec 2011 04:32
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Should we be worried about this Euro thing ?


The real world does from time to time intrude into our game space.  What impact would the collapse or retreat
of the Euro have on our game hobby.  Here are a few thoughts:

1.  Fewer games will be bought in the long run due to gamers having less cash.  The austerity programs starting
to be implemented along with associated cutbacks and unemployment will reduce the amount of money people
have to spend on games.  This in turn will reduce the number of games and game companies

2.  Possible disruption of the game production chain.  Game materials could be priced differently causing
the price of games to rise suddenly or make certain supplies difficult to get.

  I hope there will be a solution but at the momement I am uncertain whether the European politicians have the
capability to come up with a workable solution (hey maybe there is a game in that :)).  So what do you think
about the Euro Crisis and gaming ?

Chris Kovac
Toronto, Canada

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bruno faidutti | 6 Dec 2011 06:37
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Re: Should we be worried about this Euro thing ?

Traditionally, the boardgame market (unlike the videogame market) is anti-cyclic. It goes better, or at
least not much worse, in periods of recession. So far, the publishers with whom O tak don't seem to be much
affected by the crisis. I think boardgames are psychologically reassuring in hard atimes, and make for a
relatively cheap leisure. However, with a very strong recession like the one we are seeign coming, it
might be different.
I think the main effect will be an increase in smaller, lighter and cheaper games and less monster big games
produces and sold.

Le 6 déc. 2011 à 04:32, Chris Kovac a écrit :

> 
> The real world does from time to time intrude into our game space.  What impact would the collapse or retreat
of the Euro have on our game hobby.  Here are a few thoughts:
> 
> 1.  Fewer games will be bought in the long run due to gamers having less cash.  The austerity programs
starting to be implemented along with associated cutbacks and unemployment will reduce the amount of
money people have to spend on games.  This in turn will reduce the number of games and game companies
> 
> 2.  Possible disruption of the game production chain.  Game materials could be priced differently causing
the price of games to rise suddenly or make certain supplies difficult to get.
> 
>  I hope there will be a solution but at the momement I am uncertain whether the European politicians have the
capability to come up with a workable solution (hey maybe there is a game in that :)).  So what do you think
about the Euro Crisis and gaming ?
> 
> Chris Kovac
> Toronto, Canada
> 
> 
>
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Michael Svellov | 6 Dec 2011 08:49
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Re: Should we be worried about this Euro thing ?

What Bruno wrote.
Also, most of us are not interested in mainstream games, which is most likely to be affected. In fact, our
greatest worry at the moment is the lack of manufacturing capability - so any decline in the number of games
produced will actually help us who are still waiting for several good Essen titles!

Many of the titles I am interested in are published by small publishers (even micro-publishers), who are
making games in very small quantities for a very limited audience. They will still make these games as long
as we buy them.

Mik

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Peter Clinch | 6 Dec 2011 12:19
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Re: Should we be worried about this Euro thing ?

On 06/12/11 03:32, Chris Kovac wrote:
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> The real world does from time to time intrude into our game space.
> What impact would the collapse or retreat of the Euro have on our
> game hobby.  Here are a few thoughts:

I've never really understood economics very well, and the more I see the 
more I realise economists don't understand it that well either...

Whatever happens to currency it's always bad: too weak and everything 
will crash, too strong and everything will crash, and so on, yet things 
tend to keep rolling along at /some/ level.

So I'm inclined to just wait and see.  And remember that when I first 
got in to this side of the hobby in the late 90s a typical Big Box Euro 
would come in at £35.  Over a decade later I'm still paying about the 
same despite the creation of the Euro over that time, boom and bust in 
the UK economy, etc. etc.

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Ronald Tin | 6 Dec 2011 14:35
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RE: Should we be worried about this Euro thing ?

A while ago, an article on the Economist argued that video game industry is
anti cyclic because it offers a cheap(er) form of entertainment, among
other reasons.

I tend to agree; spending $50 on a console game or boardgame can give you
24 hours of entertainment (or more)

10 movies cost much more.

Ronald
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Traditionally, the boardgame market (unlike the videogame market) is
anti-cyclic. It goes better, or at least not much worse, in periods of
recession. So far, the publishers with whom O tak don't seem to be much
affected by the crisis. I think boardgames are psychologically reassuring
in hard atimes, and make for a relatively cheap leisure. However, with a
very strong recession like the one we are seeign coming, it might be
different.
I think the main effect will be an increase in smaller, lighter and cheaper
games and less monster big games produces and sold.

Le 6 déc. 2011 à 04:32, Chris Kovac a écrit :

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> The real world does from time to time intrude into our game space. What
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GR | 6 Dec 2011 15:32
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I think the Euro being closer to the dollar would only be a good thing for gamers on this side of the ocean.

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Degann, Jonathan B | 6 Dec 2011 18:02
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RE: Re: Should we be worried about this Euro thing ?

I think a lower Euro would benefit nearly everyone.  For U.S. gamers it would mean lower prices.  For European
publishers the lower U.S. prices would mean more sales.

For U.S. licensors of European games, it would mean a lower cost of goods - if they are manufacturing in Europe.

The losers would be publishers who are manufacturing in China.  They would gain no advantage, and there
would be some tendency for more English speakers to bypass them and buy direct from Europe - but I think that
this factor would be very minor.

In 2001 the Euro sank as low as $0.85.  The industry was still healthy then.

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bruno faidutti | 6 Dec 2011 18:33
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Le 6 déc. 2011 à 18:02, Degann, Jonathan B a écrit :

> I think a lower Euro would benefit nearly everyone.  

And especially game designers whose main publishers are in the US ;-)

    
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Greg J. Schloesser | 6 Dec 2011 19:34
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Curt Carpenter | 7 Dec 2011 03:15
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I think we need to organize a Super Committee to solve this problem. 

(Folks in USA will get it.)

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The real world does from time to time intrude into our game space.  What impact would the collapse or retreat
of the Euro have on our game hobby.  Here are a few thoughts:

1.  Fewer games will be bought in the long run due to gamers having less cash.  The austerity programs starting
to be implemented along with associated cutbacks and unemployment will reduce the amount of money people
have to spend on games.  This in turn will reduce the number of games and game companies

2.  Possible disruption of the game production chain.  Game materials could be priced differently causing
the price of games to rise suddenly or make certain supplies difficult to get.

  I hope there will be a solution but at the momement I am uncertain whether the European politicians have the
capability to come up with a workable solution (hey maybe there is a game in that :)).  So what do you think
about the Euro Crisis and gaming ?

Chris Kovac
Toronto, Canada

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