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watsonsecond | 1 Jun 2005 03:34
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Re: Games you bought from FLGS recommendations

--- In spielfrieks@..., Anye Sellers wrote:

> On 5/31/05, Ted Cheatham <ted_cheatham <at> c...> wrote:

> > Compare this to the store in Chantilly, VA that gives absolutely 
> > no discount. I asked about a damaged copy of Warcraft and a 
> > discount since it was damaged....their comment, they were sure 
> > everything inside was just fine.

> If you're talking about the same store I know in Chantilly, VA 
> (Game Parlor... is there more than one?) they have a frequent 
> buyer/loyalty program. I'm not sure how long it's been in place 
> since I've only lived in the area less than a year though.

Yeah, it's the same store, Anye, but at the time Ted was working down 
here, that program wasn't in place.  Prior to that, Game Parlor's 
attitude toward discounts was very consistent--they never gave them.  
I've seen games take up shelf space for over a decade (no 
exagerration) and still show the list price.  Hell, for a while, they 
sold used games and even THOSE were at list price!

I guess the competition from the Internet stores finally had an 
effect.  The good news is, the current program is a pretty nice one.

Larry

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Paul Sauberer | 1 Jun 2005 04:24
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Re: Re: Games you bought from FLGS recommendations

On 5/31/05, watsonsecond <huzonfirst@...> wrote:
> --- In spielfrieks@..., Anye Sellers wrote:
> 
> > On 5/31/05, Ted Cheatham <ted_cheatham <at> c...> wrote:
> 
> > > Compare this to the store in Chantilly, VA that gives absolutely
> > > no discount. I asked about a damaged copy of Warcraft and a
> > > discount since it was damaged....their comment, they were sure
> > > everything inside was just fine.
> 
> > If you're talking about the same store I know in Chantilly, VA
> > (Game Parlor... is there more than one?) they have a frequent
> > buyer/loyalty program. I'm not sure how long it's been in place
> > since I've only lived in the area less than a year though.
> 
> Yeah, it's the same store, Anye, but at the time Ted was working down
> here, that program wasn't in place.  Prior to that, Game Parlor's
> attitude toward discounts was very consistent--they never gave them.
> I've seen games take up shelf space for over a decade (no
> exagerration) and still show the list price.  Hell, for a while, they
> sold used games and even THOSE were at list price!

This would be one of the few instances where I would agree with an
assessment of price gouging.

Selling used games at the same price as new games? That's ridiculous.

Paul Sauberer

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David Lewis | 1 Jun 2005 07:29
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FS: Games on eBay

Hello, folks. I've listed a few more games on eBay, if you'd care to 
take a look.

Jaunty Jalopies
Carcassonne: Inns & Cathedrals and Traders & Builers Set
A Game of Thrones
A Clash of Kings
Dracula
Freight Train
Saga
Mission Command: Land & Sea Set
Ivanhoe
King Me!

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpatchesQ5fetc

Thanks for looking!

David Lewis
Tarboro, NC

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Peter Clinch | 1 Jun 2005 10:03
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Re: greatest game ever made (was Re: Are these Gaming Fads or not ?)

Doug Orleans wrote:
> J C Lawrence writes:
>  > Mik Svellov wrote:
>  > > But then again. Even if I have never played the greatest game ever
>  > > made would I not consider it a great loss.
>  > 
>  > Quite.  It's a question of purposes.  Is the goal a notch on your game
>  > tally stick?
> 
> Actually, I would consider it a great loss.  For a long time I
> resisted rating any game a 10 because I could always find some
> somewhat serious faults with every game I've played.  But eventually I
> gave up and redefined 10 to mean "classic" or "always willing to play"
> rather than "perfect".  But I still hold out a very small hope that
> some day I'll find that one flawless game, or at least one that's some
> order of magnitude closer than the games I currently rate a 10. 

I think the point is that a game is, at the end of the day, just a game. 
  I would currently put Go at the top of my pile of best ever game, and 
it's clearly got a lot going for it because it supports a professional 
playing setup and has millions of keen players and there's no obvious 
way to tweak its fantastically elegant ruleset aside from fiddling a 
little with Komis.  But had I never played it I don't think I'd be 
significantly poorer or different in my day to day life.

Pete.
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Terry Bailey Sr. | 1 Jun 2005 13:49
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Re: Re: greatest game ever made (was Re: Are these Gaming Fads or not ?)

>  I would currently put Go at the top of my pile of best ever game, and
> it's clearly got a lot going for it because it supports a professional
> playing setup and has millions of keen players and there's no obvious
> way to tweak its fantastically elegant ruleset aside from fiddling a
> little with Komis.  But had I never played it I don't think I'd be
> significantly poorer or different in my day to day life.
> 
> Pete.
> --

Sure you would. Its obvious you would be unable to GO.

Terry Bailey Sr.

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Peter Clinch | 1 Jun 2005 13:57
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Re: greatest game ever made (was Re: Are these Gaming Fads or not ?)

Terry Bailey Sr. wrote:

> Sure you would. Its obvious you would be unable to GO.

I'd just count differently and not be able to weiqi instead, which would 
be much less traumatic... ;-)

Pete.
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Mike Herms | 1 Jun 2005 14:19
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Re: Re: Games you bought from FLGS recommendations

On 5/31/05, Paul Sauberer <paul.sauberer@...> wrote:
> On 5/31/05, watsonsecond <huzonfirst@...> wrote:
> > --- In spielfrieks@..., Anye Sellers wrote:
> >
> > > On 5/31/05, Ted Cheatham <ted_cheatham <at> c...> wrote:
> >
> > > > Compare this to the store in Chantilly, VA that gives absolutely
> > > > no discount. I asked about a damaged copy of Warcraft and a
> > > > discount since it was damaged....their comment, they were sure
> > > > everything inside was just fine.
> >
> > > If you're talking about the same store I know in Chantilly, VA
> > > (Game Parlor... is there more than one?) they have a frequent
> > > buyer/loyalty program. I'm not sure how long it's been in place
> > > since I've only lived in the area less than a year though.
> >
> > Yeah, it's the same store, Anye, but at the time Ted was working down
> > here, that program wasn't in place.  Prior to that, Game Parlor's
> > attitude toward discounts was very consistent--they never gave them.
> > I've seen games take up shelf space for over a decade (no
> > exagerration) and still show the list price.  Hell, for a while, they
> > sold used games and even THOSE were at list price!
> 
> This would be one of the few instances where I would agree with an
> assessment of price gouging.

How do you price gouge on a non-essential item?  Gas, food, clothing
sure, but games?  I don't see it.  If it is too expensive people won't
buy it because the don't need it.  They will spend their entertainment
dollars elsewhere.
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Geoff Speare | 1 Jun 2005 14:38
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Re: blind-purchase vs. customizable

At 03:19 PM 5/31/2005, W. Eric Martin wrote:
>Chris Lemon wrote:
> > Without knowing the vagaries of DCI rules, why couldn't you just slap
> > the cards in blackshields?
>
>Because you must be able to play without the shields as well. Any
>opponent or judge can ask you to remove the shields and you must do so.

This is no longer true -- however, you can be required to replace the 
shields if judges feel they are (inadvertently) marked. In addition, it's 
easy enough to perceive the silouhette of the card through the sleeve that 
Alpha and Collectors cards are not allowed.

Geoff Speare

>The Collector's Edition of Magic included those words on the back of
>each card, not to mention that the cards had square corners, thus
>rendering them illegal in tournament play.
>
>In friendly play, of course, anything goes. Write on lands with a
>Sharpie and you can have any card you want...
>
>Eric
>
>
>--
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>"To drive us mad," replied Martin.
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Brett Myers | 1 Jun 2005 15:14
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Re: Games you bought from FLGS recommendations

--- In spielfrieks@..., "Jonathan Degann" <degann <at> g...> 
wrote:
> > > Jonathan:
> > > Overall, I'm seeing a lot of bad-to-ridiculous 
recommendations, 
> and one or two helpful recommendations in this thread.  This is 
not 
> doing much to help bolster the argument in favor of what B&M 
stores 
> have to offer.
> 
> Thomas Cackler:
> > Can't ... stay ... quiet ... any ... longer! =)
> > 
> > As one in the trenches of B&M retail, let me say that at my 
store 
> we make outstanding recommendations...
> 
> Jonathan:
> By virtue of the fact that you're on this list, I don't doubt your 
> claims for a second.  There are, and have been, several B&M retail 
> Spielfrieks who clearly know games well, and care about them. But 
I'm 
> trying to explore the larger issue of whether the B&M game 
> store "industry" is, on balance, providing value in their customer 
> recommendations.
> 
> If a prospective game buyer takes a random walk into the B&M 
stores, 
> gets a recommendation for "Ticket to Ride" from Thomas, a
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Todd Jensen | 1 Jun 2005 15:22
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Re: blind-purchase vs. customizable

On 6/1/05, Geoff Speare <gspeare@...> wrote:

> This is no longer true -- however, you can be required to replace the
> shields if judges feel they are (inadvertently) marked. In addition, it's
> easy enough to perceive the silouhette of the card through the sleeve that
> Alpha and Collectors cards are not allowed.
> 

http://www.wizards.com/dci/downloads/Magic_FLR_20mar05_EN.txt

Read section 102.

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