John A. Tamplin | 1 Jan 2012 06:47
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1817 availability / pricing

1817 will be available for ordering next week, and I will have a few copies
available at Chattanooga in a couple of weeks.

The announcement, with pricing, was posted on the DTG Google+ page:

https://plus.google.com/117229528592238547570/posts

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1880 Emergency Train buying Rules Clarification

Hi David et al. 

	After our last email exchange i asked Helmut and Lonny to comment the
rule a little bit more. 

	Helmut replied to my email and stated the following: 

	The clause that you have to buy a train from the bank in emergency
train buying will only be relevant if your operating company has 0Y or
you dont have another company (same player director) that will or can
sell you a train. 

	Quote Helmut Ohley: 

	"Ein Zwangslokkauf findet nur dann zwingend statt wenn man 0,--
Betriebskapital hat, kann aber auch stattfinden wenn keine meiner
anderen Ges. eine Lok (z.B. für 1,--) abgeben möchte oder kann ." 
Regards, Martin  P.s. A happy and healthy new year to each and all of
you. 

	Von: David Hecht <Barzai@...> 

	An: 18xx@... 

	Betreff: Re: [18xx] Re: 1880: Advice for beginners? 

	Datum: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:02:45 +0100 

	With all due respect, the rule about buying across clearly trumps
this: 
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David Hecht | 2 Jan 2012 14:13
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Re: 1880 Emergency Train buying Rules Clarification

Thank you for that, Dr. Brumm. Hopefully that clarification will make 
its way into the next edition of the FAQ! :-)

On 1/2/2012 3:59 AM, Dr.Martin.Brumm@... wrote:
> Hi David et al.
>
> 	After our last email exchange i asked Helmut and Lonny to comment the
> rule a little bit more.
>
> 	Helmut replied to my email and stated the following:
>
> 	The clause that you have to buy a train from the bank in emergency
> train buying will only be relevant if your operating company has 0Y or
> you dont have another company (same player director) that will or can
> sell you a train.
>
> 	Quote Helmut Ohley:
>
> 	"Ein Zwangslokkauf findet nur dann zwingend statt wenn man 0,--
> Betriebskapital hat, kann aber auch stattfinden wenn keine meiner
> anderen Ges. eine Lok (z.B. für 1,--) abgeben möchte oder kann ."
> Regards, Martin  P.s. A happy and healthy new year to each and all of
> you.
>
> 	Von: David Hecht<Barzai@...>
>
> 	An: 18xx@...
>
> 	Betreff: Re: [18xx] Re: 1880: Advice for beginners?
>
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David Hecht | 2 Jan 2012 16:36
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Re: 18PA playtests at TomCon III

Yes, many of the possible solutions are problematic in the sense that 
they add complexity on a one-off basis--the sort of small, complicated 
rules I prefer not to include. In effect this is what happened to 18VA: 
it started out fairly short simple and eventually became longer and more 
complex than I was entirely happy with.

I am considering the following and would like to invite comments:

1. For the READ and CNJ, I'm thinking of assigning them an organic 1+ 
train (just like the ones the pre-NYC companies have). Both companies 
can run for $40 in OR-1 and $60 in OR-2, which is not bad: and of course 
it means they are going up and not down from the start. The 1+ would be 
strictly temporary and would be eliminated by any train purchase (thus 
demotivating the purchase of 2-trains): alternatively it could be an 
"extra" train in the style of the 2R-trains, which would be pretty sexy.

2. Another thought is one or two private companies on the model of the 
"Rocket" in 1880. Another would be a more flexible private along the 
lines of Potomac Yards in 18VA, or possibly incorporating some features 
from the Baldwin in 18US. In other words, you could (1) get revenue from 
it whenever someone bought a train, (2) exchange it for a train, or (3) 
exchange it for a bypass token.

3. It's possible that paying full price for all your tokens up front may 
have over-corrected the "gusher-o-cash" problem. I'm wondering whether 
an intermediate solution--a fixed amount of, say $100, in the 18EU 
style--or allowing the players to decide how many they want at, say, $50 
apiece--might not be a superior solution.

4. I wonder whether giving the NYC its normal turn in the order wouldn't 
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David Hecht | 2 Jan 2012 16:42
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Re: 18PA playtests at TomCon III (PS)

Oh, one last thing: what if I eliminated the connectivity requirement 
for the acquisition of local companies? That would certainly open things 
up! :-)

On 1/2/2012 10:36 AM, David Hecht wrote:
> Yes, many of the possible solutions are problematic in the sense that
> they add complexity on a one-off basis--the sort of small, complicated
> rules I prefer not to include. In effect this is what happened to 18VA:
> it started out fairly short simple and eventually became longer and more
> complex than I was entirely happy with.
>
> I am considering the following and would like to invite comments:
>
> 1. For the READ and CNJ, I'm thinking of assigning them an organic 1+
> train (just like the ones the pre-NYC companies have). Both companies
> can run for $40 in OR-1 and $60 in OR-2, which is not bad: and of course
> it means they are going up and not down from the start. The 1+ would be
> strictly temporary and would be eliminated by any train purchase (thus
> demotivating the purchase of 2-trains): alternatively it could be an
> "extra" train in the style of the 2R-trains, which would be pretty sexy.
>
> 2. Another thought is one or two private companies on the model of the
> "Rocket" in 1880. Another would be a more flexible private along the
> lines of Potomac Yards in 18VA, or possibly incorporating some features
> from the Baldwin in 18US. In other words, you could (1) get revenue from
> it whenever someone bought a train, (2) exchange it for a train, or (3)
> exchange it for a bypass token.
>
> 3. It's possible that paying full price for all your tokens up front may
> have over-corrected the "gusher-o-cash" problem. I'm wondering whether
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David Hecht | 2 Jan 2012 16:56
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Re: 18PA playtests at TomCon III (PS #2)

<criminy...where's my brain today?!?>

Sorry...another last thing...thinking about changing the train 
progression...possibly eliminating the 2-trains altogether (other than 
those organic to the local companies), and then reducing the number of 
each level up, and finally re-introducing the 6t as partner to the 3D. So:

Old Mix - 6x2/5x3/4x4/Ux5/3D (5t/3D kills 3t)
New Mix - 0x2/4x3/3x4/2x5/Ux6/3D (6t/3D kills 3t)

Note that there would still be nine trains in play at the moment someone 
opens up the last class of trains, but only four of them would fall off.

On 1/2/2012 10:42 AM, David Hecht wrote:
> Oh, one last thing: what if I eliminated the connectivity requirement
> for the acquisition of local companies? That would certainly open things
> up! :-)
>
> On 1/2/2012 10:36 AM, David Hecht wrote:
>> Yes, many of the possible solutions are problematic in the sense that
>> they add complexity on a one-off basis--the sort of small, complicated
>> rules I prefer not to include. In effect this is what happened to 18VA:
>> it started out fairly short simple and eventually became longer and more
>> complex than I was entirely happy with.
>>
>> I am considering the following and would like to invite comments:
>>
>> 1. For the READ and CNJ, I'm thinking of assigning them an organic 1+
>> train (just like the ones the pre-NYC companies have). Both companies
>> can run for $40 in OR-1 and $60 in OR-2, which is not bad: and of course
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allen stancius | 2 Jan 2012 23:52
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Re: 18PA playtests at TomCon III (PS #2)

david,
here's what maybe a quick & dirty solution to make those 2t trains useful.

private: train chain
increase train limit by one.
allows trains to operate once prior to becoming obselete.
obselete trains may extend any normal train run by one.

just an idea i had since you asked for any other solutions that may improve 
the game.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Hecht" <Barzai@...>
To: <18xx@...>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [18xx] 18PA playtests at TomCon III (PS #2)

> <criminy...where's my brain today?!?>
>
> Sorry...another last thing...thinking about changing the train
> progression...possibly eliminating the 2-trains altogether (other than
> those organic to the local companies), and then reducing the number of
> each level up, and finally re-introducing the 6t as partner to the 3D. So:
>
> Old Mix - 6x2/5x3/4x4/Ux5/3D (5t/3D kills 3t)
> New Mix - 0x2/4x3/3x4/2x5/Ux6/3D (6t/3D kills 3t)
>
> Note that there would still be nine trains in play at the moment someone
> opens up the last class of trains, but only four of them would fall off.
>
> On 1/2/2012 10:42 AM, David Hecht wrote:
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David Hecht | 3 Jan 2012 00:24
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Re: 18PA playtests at TomCon III (PS #2)

Thanx Allen.

The problem really though is that there's no demand for them except by 
the non-LGC majors (Reading and CNJ), and as has already been observed, 
they are severely disadvantaged by not having a source of revenue on 
their first turn. They are like the DRG and GN in 18West: now I just 
need to figure out how to tweak them up to be just good enough to make 
them sensible buys in the first SR.

If I add another private or two, they will be exchangeable for trains, 
that much is certain.

BTW, have you had the chance to try 18PA? If so, can you give me a report?

On 1/2/2012 5:52 PM, allen stancius wrote:
> david,
> here's what maybe a quick&  dirty solution to make those 2t trains useful.
>
> private: train chain
> increase train limit by one.
> allows trains to operate once prior to becoming obselete.
> obselete trains may extend any normal train run by one.
>
> just an idea i had since you asked for any other solutions that may improve
> the game.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Hecht"<Barzai@...>
> To:<18xx@...>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [18xx] 18PA playtests at TomCon III (PS #2)
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Jeff Behan | 4 Jan 2012 05:15
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Conrail formation

Terry, Bruce, & Jon get a share.  It's a 10 share company.  The
presidents share is in the open market and available for purchase.

The Wabash had $0 in the treas + $100 from the 4H scraping.

The LS&I had $1 in the treas + $50 from the 4H scaping.

The total initial treas = $151

The 7 outstanding shares get sold to the open market for $110 a share for $770.

$770 +$151 = $921

Buys a 10H for $600 leaving $321 remaining.

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Tom McCorry | 4 Jan 2012 05:40
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Re: 18PA playtests at TomCon III

David,

    Players in game one: Justin Morgan, Tom McCorry, Henry Ho
    Players in game two: John Corrado, Rich O'Brien, ???

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On Jan 2, 2012, at 10:36, David Hecht <Barzai@...> wrote:

> Yes, many of the possible solutions are problematic in the sense that 
> they add complexity on a one-off basis--the sort of small, complicated 
> rules I prefer not to include. In effect this is what happened to 18VA: 
> it started out fairly short simple and eventually became longer and more 
> complex than I was entirely happy with.
> 
> I am considering the following and would like to invite comments:
> 
> 1. For the READ and CNJ, I'm thinking of assigning them an organic 1+ 
> train (just like the ones the pre-NYC companies have). Both companies 
> can run for $40 in OR-1 and $60 in OR-2, which is not bad: and of course 
> it means they are going up and not down from the start. The 1+ would be 
> strictly temporary and would be eliminated by any train purchase (thus 
> demotivating the purchase of 2-trains): alternatively it could be an 
> "extra" train in the style of the 2R-trains, which would be pretty sexy.
> 
> 2. Another thought is one or two private companies on the model of the 
> "Rocket" in 1880. Another would be a more flexible private along the 
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