gamethyme2000 | 5 May 23:27 2009
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What's Up With Mesomorph Games?

What's up with Mesomorph Games?

On April 15th, I ordered a piecepack set from Mesomorph Games.  I received PayPal confirmation, but no
confirmation directly from Mesomorph themselves.  I've gotten used to receiving a lot of confirmation,
so I e-mailed Mesomorph directly.  I wanted to confirm my order and make sure I'd have my product by May 2nd.

They got back to me a few hours later, confirming that they had received the order and that it should arrive by
May 2nd with no problems.  I was told that it was to be mailed the next day (Saturday the 18th).  As their
website says that they ship via US Priority Mail, I figured it would be less than a week before my piecepack
set arrived.

I'd wanted to compare the Mesomorph set to the Blue Panther color JCD set, and so I ordered a Blue Panther set
on the 21st of April.  I received confirmation from Blue Panther almost immediately.

On April 24th, my Blue Panther set arrived, but the Mesomorph Games set was still a no-show.

On April 28th, I sent another e-mail to Mesomorph, requesting an update or tracking or even just
confirmation that it had shipped.  No response.

On May 1st, I e-mailed Mesomorph again, requesting any information at all.  I still have not received an
update or confirmation that my order has shipped.  I'm considering filing a dispute with PayPal, but I
really don't want to do that.  I'd still like to have a Mesomorph set for comparison purposes, but I'm
getting tired of waiting.

Several friends suggested that I send an e-mail to this list in hopes of prodding Mesomorph to action or to
see if anyone here has contact information.

Does anyone have any contact information for Mesomorph that is not on their website?

Thanks in advance,
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Roger Meertens | 15 May 12:39 2009
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Re: What's Up With Mesomorph Games?

Hi Eric,

Although I've never ordered from Mesomorph (the transport costs would be too high since I live in Europe) I
did read about the bad customer service and bad handling of the orders. I do not know how to get in touch with
them other than via their site. 
I can only say that I never got any response when I offered to translate the rules to Dutch. They even ask
people to help them do this on their site. 
I hope you can either get your money back, or receive the piecepack set anyhow.

Good luck,

Roger Meertens

--- In piecepack@..., "gamethyme2000" <gamethyme <at> ...> wrote:
>
> What's up with Mesomorph Games?
> 
> On April 15th, I ordered a piecepack set from Mesomorph Games.  I received PayPal confirmation, but no
confirmation directly from Mesomorph themselves.  I've gotten used to receiving a lot of confirmation,
so I e-mailed Mesomorph directly.  I wanted to confirm my order and make sure I'd have my product by May 2nd.
> 
> They got back to me a few hours later, confirming that they had received the order and that it should arrive
by May 2nd with no problems.  I was told that it was to be mailed the next day (Saturday the 18th).  As their
website says that they ship via US Priority Mail, I figured it would be less than a week before my piecepack
set arrived.
> 
> I'd wanted to compare the Mesomorph set to the Blue Panther color JCD set, and so I ordered a Blue Panther set
on the 21st of April.  I received confirmation from Blue Panther almost immediately.
> 
> On April 24th, my Blue Panther set arrived, but the Mesomorph Games set was still a no-show.
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Roger Meertens | 15 May 12:42 2009
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Is the piecepack wiki dead?

Hi all,

Does anyone know what happened to the piecepack wiki? For the last couple of days all I can see is a 404
notification. Seems the last update was on february 9th...

Greeting,

Roger Meertens

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Jonathan Dietrich | 15 May 12:59 2009
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Re: Is the piecepack wiki dead?

Ron has had an issue with his servers, and is in the process of getting all
of his content back online, incuding the piecepack wiki.

j๏ภคtђคภ ς. ๔เєtгเςђ

Proud Member of Beaver Creek Housing Cooperative
http://beavercreek.coop

One of the Little People!
Kitchener-Waterloo Little Theatre http://kwlt.org

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Roger Meertens <
littlebrothertimmy@...> wrote:

> notification. Seems the last update was on february 9th...
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Ron Hale-Evans | 15 May 16:37 2009

Re: Is the piecepack wiki dead?

Thanks, Jonathan.

Anyone who wants to stay apprised of the progress of getting the
server back up can follow mindperfhacks on Twitter or just  visit this
page periodically:

http://twitter.com/mindperfhacks

My best estimate for when all Ludism.org wikis will be back up is
Sunday night (Pacific), 17 May.

Sorry for the inconvenience. Fortunately, it doesn't seem any data was lost.

Ron

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Jonathan Dietrich
<jcdietrich+yahoo@...> wrote:
> Ron has had an issue with his servers, and is in the process of getting all
> of his content back online, incuding the piecepack wiki.
>
> j๏ภคtђคภ ς. ๔เєtгเςђ
>
> Proud Member of Beaver Creek Housing Cooperative
> http://beavercreek.coop
>
> One of the Little People!
> Kitchener-Waterloo Little Theatre http://kwlt.org
>
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Roger Meertens <
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gamethyme2000 | 15 May 23:10 2009
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Re: What's Up With Mesomorph Games?

I received the piecepack on Monday.  Mesomorph had mailed it on the 6th, according to the automated postage
stamp they included.

I saved the envelope - I now have a mailing address for contact, if this happens to someone else.

Eric

--- In piecepack@..., "Roger Meertens"
<littlebrothertimmy <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
> 
> Although I've never ordered from Mesomorph (the transport costs would be too high since I live in Europe) I
did read about the bad customer service and bad handling of the orders. I do not know how to get in touch with
them other than via their site. 
> I can only say that I never got any response when I offered to translate the rules to Dutch. They even ask
people to help them do this on their site. 
> I hope you can either get your money back, or receive the piecepack set anyhow.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Roger Meertens

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Ben Finney | 21 May 11:27 2009
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Anatomy information: suit and number distinguishable from reverse side

Howdy all,

The piecepack Anatomy page <URL:http://www.piecepack.org/Anatomy.html>
gives helpful information on the *dimensions* of piecepack components,
and the suit-and-number composition.

What it doesn't answer, from the point of view of someone designing a
set and choosing materials, is whether a standard piecepack's components
have identifiable reverse faces.

I'm looking to manufacture components from cut materials of different
colours, and engraving into the coloured material is an option but
printing in different colours is not.

The tile faces must be marked with value and suit, “both in colour to
match suit”. Is it an expectation of a piecepack that its tiles be
indistinguishable from the reverse side? That is, is it harmful for some
games if the suit, or number, or both, of a tile is distinguishable when
the tile is face down?

This might occur if, for instance, the tile was made of two materials
glued together, where the colour of the face material was different for
each suit, and thus visible from the edge even when the tile is face
down.

How about the coins: the anatomy says the back has the suit “in
appropriate colour”, and the number on the face “in black”. My
proposed manufacturing process makes the colour and hence the suit
distinguishable by the colour of the material. Would this make the coins
non-standard?
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Jorge Arroyo | 21 May 13:10 2009
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Re: Anatomy information: suit and number distinguishable from reverse side

Hi,

 When a tile is face down, everything about it (both number and suit) should
be hidden. Many games use this feature (think of a tile like an square
card). The same applies for the coins: When number up, suit must be hidden,
and when suit up, number must be hidden.

While you can probably play some games if you don't follow these rules, many
games would become unplayable because they need the hidden information to
work.

What I can suggest if you glue two materials together is to "paint" the
edges so they don't show any extra information.

Cheers,

-Jorge

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Ben Finney <
ben+yahoogroups@...
<ben%2Byahoogroups@...>> wrote:

> Howdy all,
>
> The piecepack Anatomy page <URL:http://www.piecepack.org/Anatomy.html>
> gives helpful information on the *dimensions* of piecepack components,
> and the suit-and-number composition.
>
> What it doesn't answer, from the point of view of someone designing a
> set and choosing materials, is whether a standard piecepack's components
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prophesor | 21 May 15:15 2009
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Re: Anatomy information: suit and number distinguishable from reverse side


I don't have creator's authority on this point, but it would break many existing games to vary from the
'playing card' standard for the tiles.  More clearly: tiles when face-down ought to be visually
indistinguishable, any tile from any other tile. 

Coins are allowed to be suit-sortable when number-down, presumably for ease of sorting.  Making the number
faces suitless would let you use the coins in the other direction: that is, instead of four colors of coin
that might invert to any of six values, you could have six values of coin that might invert to any of four
colors (or as many 'colors' as the number of suits in use). 

Sorry if this wakes you roughly from your engineering fugue. 

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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From: Ben Finney <ben+yahoogroups <at> benfinney.id.au>

Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:27:04 
To: <piecepack <at> yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [piecepack] Anatomy information: suit and number distinguishable from reverse side


Howdy all,

The piecepack Anatomy page <URL:http://www.piecepack.org/Anatomy.html>
gives helpful information on the *dimensions* of piecepack components,
and the suit-and-number composition.

What it doesn't answer, from the point of view of someone designing a
set and choosing materials, is whether a standard piecepack's components
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steve | 21 May 16:25 2009

Re: Anatomy information: suit and number distinguishable from reverse side

With a little thought, a few solutions present themselves. 

You have a couple of choices. 

You can paint the edges uniform for all colors after you make the tiles.  
This is probably the easiest. 

You could strip all edges of color on the colored side so that when lying 
face-down, the color is not visible. 

You could mask the edges of the tiles (painters tape) then apply the color 
to the front face.  After removing the tape, your tile would have a uniform 
"gutter" that would not reveal the color when it's face down. 

You can use material that you "subtract" from rather  than "add" to.  That's 
the way we do it with the laser engraver. 

You could also use a color "insert" for the face side of the tile - make two 
concentric squares - the outside always the same color and the inside the 
color of the suit you want.  It would be more labor intensive but it would 
guarantee that the color of the face down is truly hidden. 

SJ 

You canprophesor@... writes: 

> 
> I don't have creator's authority on this point, but it would break many existing games to vary from the
'playing card' standard for the tiles.  More clearly: tiles when face-down ought to be visually
indistinguishable, any tile from any other tile.  
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Gmane